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| What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Justin G, 02/28/2005
I originally posted this on the Mustang Forum but figured you all might have an answer for me,
What headers would fit well for a 390 with Edelbrock performer 390 intake and Edelbrock Performer FE aluminum heads in a 67 Fastback with power steering and power disk brakes?
Thanks |
| | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
I think both hooker and heddman have headers that clear the powered items. If you get the ceramic coated headers, they won't corrode or turn blue from heat. |
| | | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Dano, 02/28/2005
You could check out FPA headers also. I have a set on my 69 Mustang 390 with Edelbrock heads, power steering and 4 speed with Lakewood bellhousing and they fit perfectly. You can drop the engine in with the headers allready on, with no leaks! |
| | | | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Rex B, 05/17/2005
Just saw this thread have the FPA headers in a 390 67 mustang but am having clearance problems at the bottom of the Z-Bar hitting the headers. Any thoughts on how to fix, some have suggested trying other Z-Bars |
| | | | | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Dano, 05/17/2005
Are you using the factory Z bar? Mine clears the headers with about 1/2" clearance on the bottom. The Z bar brackets are important also. My car has the stock brackets and Z bar, everything is packed in there pretty tight. But it all works good. |
| | | | | | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Rex B, 05/18/2005
I have a repo Z bar so I am wondering if it is a little off in its design?// |
| | | | | | | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Dano, 05/19/2005
Stock Z bars can be hard to come by. You may have to take yours off, cut and weld it shorter. |
| | | | | | | | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Rex B, 05/20/2005
I am looking into that I am first going to try a shorter upper rod so I can pivot the bottom of the Zbar a little more to the front of the car, I think the lower rod just may clear. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: What headers should I look at for a 390.. -- Dano, 05/24/2005
One other option for may be to install a cable clutch conversion. I don't know if anybody here has tried it but Mustang and Fords magazine has an article on the installation in their June issue. |
| Intake removal -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
I got a basic question here, first time inside an FE. I am replacing gaskets on the intake manifold of the 390 in my truck. The pushrods go through it, do I have to pull the rocker assemblies off to remove the manifold? If so, what do I need to know before doing this? What do I need to know to reassemble? Do I have to set lash? What is the torque value? Sorry my FE engine manual is not here yet. |
| | RE: Intake removal -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
Yes, you do have to pull off the rocker assemblies to remove the intake. If its a solid lifter engine, you have to adjust valve lash when you re intstall them. If its hydraulic, it stops there. However, you should probably wait on a book, cause its kinda tricky. I recommend a book called How to Rebuild Big Block Ford Engines by Steve Christ. Not only does it have detailed rebuilding instructions, but it tells you just about everything about the FE and FT motors. Very interesting. |
| | | RE: Intake removal -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
No, its a stock engine. I do think I'll wait on a book though. |
| | | | RE: Intake removal -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
I dont guess that I can just take the bolts out of the top and the whole contraption will come right off? Was hoping to atleast get the manifold off today. (on vacation) |
| | | | | RE: Intake removal -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
and also, installation of the rockers is the tricky part, removal is just onbolting. |
| | | | RE: Intake removal -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
what did it come out of? Some Fe's were equipped with solid lifters. |
| | | | | RE: Intake removal -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
I have no idea. The VIN on my truck says 302, so its from something else. Any way to tell? Guess I'll no when I get the manifold off. |
| | | | | | RE: casting numbers -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
Look on the passenger side of the block, down the bottom towards the front. There should be a C6AE, or something like that, as well as on the heads between the two middle spark plugs, something like C6AE-6090-A
There should also be one on the intake. |
| | | | | | | RE: casting numbers -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
If it has solid lifters, wont it have adjustable rockers? Looks like C9WI on the block |
| | | | | | | | RE: casting numbers -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
are you sure? There were no C9 blocks, and W and I weren't used on engines. Instead of a W, it would be an A, an S, or an M. And the I would always be an E, for Engine. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: casting numbers -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
C6ME, sorry i'm dislexic. Also i took the rocker assy off, some of those little springs between the rockers on the shaft are kind of messed up. Can/should those be replaced? |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: casting numbers -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
I'm sorry I can't tell you what the engine is, C6ME was used on the 352, 360, 390, and 428 blocks. To tell for sure, you would have to measure the bore and stroke(or at least get the casting numbers off the crank). As far as those little springs, yes, they can and should be replaced. You can either put new springs in or swap them out for solid spacers made out of billet steel or aluminum. Check out DSCmotorsport.com for all kinds of parts. |
| | | | | | | | | | | RE: casting numbers -- 64 Bolt, 03/01/2005
thanks. . |
| for giacamo -- Someone who cares, 02/28/2005
Your information is very worthy, and I have used it on several occasions. But please, do a spell check. I can't stand reading something several times because I have to figure out what you are trying to say. Like I said, your information is credible, just spellcheck please! |
| | I rather enjoy his posts, has been mentioned -- dennie, 02/28/2005
before and he had a great reply... |
| | RE: for giacamo -- crusinbuddy, 02/28/2005
I like his posts too.....fun to read and good info too. |
| | | RE: for giacamo -- giacamo, 03/01/2005
some times i,m in to much of a hurry to use spellcheck but i,l try to use it more often. |
| 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 02/27/2005
Does a 427 top oiler have the same lub probs as the rest of the FE's? Just curious. I am thinking of buying a marine top oiler, and am debating as to how beneficial it would be as compared to a stroked 390? Other than the cross-bolted mains. . . |
| | RE: 427 top oiler? -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
actually, it's probably better. The oiling was revised for the 427 over the standard fe to include the top and centeroiler. I'd say go for it. no way a stroked 390 could match the potential of a 427. |
| | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
thanks. . .I shall. . . |
| | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
What would you pay for a standard bore 1968 427 block (top oiler). No rotating assembly, caps included? ? |
| | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
if it didn't need an overbore, as much as 2-3k for a nos block, if it does need a bore over, maybe a little less. If you can get it for cheaper, you are very lucky. And if you plan to bore it over, go as little as possible. Custom pistons are readily available for the 427, cause re-sleeving a block is more expensive than custom pistons. |
| | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
how much of an over bore will a 427 block take?(Thinking in terms of future rebuilds) |
| | | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
if you have to bore it more than .030 over, it needs to be sleeved. 4.26 bore is about all the block can take. |
| | | | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
thanks |
| | | | | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 02/28/2005
I just found out its a marine engine. Would that change your opinion as to what you would pay? It is going in my 64 fairlane. |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- Big Dave, 03/01/2005
If its a marine engine, probably somewhere in the $1500 range. However, marine 427s have a higher nickle content than regular fe blocks, making them very strong. The 4.26 max bore still holds true. Very good choice for a buildup. |
| | | | | | | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 03/01/2005
thanks. . . |
| | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- John, 03/01/2005
Check to see if the boat was run in fresh water or salt water and if it had a heat exchanger. Heat exchanger means it's same condition as a car block. Fresh water means rust. Salt water.....I wouldn't touch it unless specific measurement checks (cyl wall condition, thickness, etc,) showed it to be OK. Also, if you are purchasing the whole assembly, make sure it is not a counter-rotating engine (from a dual engine installation). If it is.....a lot of parts won't be much good to you. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 427 top oiler? -- 64 Bolt, 03/03/2005
thanks guys, Dennis at DSC talked me out of it. I'm gonna go with a stroked 390 for the old 64' for now. |
| 427 medium riser side winder intake -- Keith, 02/27/2005
I picked up a medium riser 427 intake from a guy who used to race back in the early 70s. He told me it was a rare intake because it was offset to the drivers side. I know that the Sidewider intake (C6AZ-9424-M) is offset to the left. My intake is also offset to the left. When I compared pictures of the sidewinder and my intake they look identical. The problem is that my part number is (C6AE-9425-J). My books show this as being a regular Medium Riser intake. Did Ford make more then one MR intake with flange offset to the left? Any one have any info on this? |
| | RE: 427 medium riser side winder intake -- Barry B, 02/28/2005
The Sidewinders I've seen all had casting number C6AE9424/J and it looked just like that with the forward slash, maybe the other is a part number?
The two regular 4V MR intake casting numbers are C6AE9425H and C7AE9425F. |
| 390 piston rings -- Dusty, 02/26/2005
i'm rebuilding my 390 and i ordered some hasting rings. my engine is bored.040 so i ordered the .040 oversize. the problem is when i whent to check the gaps the minimum gap is .010. the hastings gap was .035!! i'm suping up my engine a little and i don't want to loose my compression and power because of some crappy rings. help/advice/sugestions are very appreciated. i'm also thinking of going to sealed power or speedpro. if anyone has and experiance with them or any other rings please let me know. thank you for you time and help |
| | Boxed wrong -- raycfe, 02/26/2005
Return them to your supplier, maybe just boxed wrong. Hasting rings are always right on the money with me. and I alway check them. |
| roll bar/setbelts -- Patrick, 02/26/2005
I have a 66 coupe with no seatbelts. I was thinking that the safest method to install strong four-point seatbelts was to install a single roll-bar behind the front seats and in front of the rear seats. I have seen cars in mags with this, but never any close-ups. First, do four-point safety harnesses attach directly to roll bars? Second, does anyone know of any place that installs roll bars in the NYC area? (If not, anywhere at all?) Third, the pics of stangs with this style roll bar have a panel made precisely for this - meaning the rear side panel where the window lever is located (on the outside wall next to the rear seats) actually wrap around the roll bar. You only see the bar coming from the roof up to the window, below that it is covered by the panel. thanks in advance for your help. patrick |
| | RE: roll bar/setbelts -- raycfe, 02/26/2005
www.corbranda.com |
| what engine do I have? -- Big Dave, 02/26/2005
Please help! I pulled what was supposed to be a 360 from my 69 f100, and proceeded to tear it down. However, I am having trouble with the engine block ID. On the front, there is a 352, and I know that does not mean much, but on the back it says 66-427. No other cast markings on the outside, not even casting numbers or date codes. It has the external ribbing of an FT or HP block, but no crossbolt bosses ( it does, however have holes drilled on the 2 and 4 mains on the outside of the block as if it were for crossbolts.) The bore is a 4.080, but I tried the drill bit test mentioned in an earlier post, and the 17/64 wouldn't fit, and the 13/64 was a nice fit. No 428 in the water jacket though. And by the way, the crank was the 352/360 crank, and the connecting rods were the long style. And one other thing, on the passenger side of the block, just above where the casting numbers were supposed to be, there is some kind of sticker or painted on decal that has a ford emblem on it. Most of its gone though. |
| | RE: what engine do I have? -- giacamo, 02/26/2005
sounds like a 69 360 moter alot of pickups had the webed block and the 352 427 428##s wer just the casting plates thay used that day wen forming the block you may have a nice block to bild on depending on how thick thay sluged the cilinders during casting i,d look at it real close if i wonted to bore to 428 or 406 spects.....? |
| | | RE: what engine do I have? -- Steve, 02/26/2005
It's a 390 service block made in 1971 or 72.Nothing special. |
| | RE: what engine do I have? -- Glenn, 02/27/2005
Check the date code. The first number will have two dots underneath for a 70's era block. It does sound like a 390 service block with the external ribs. And a thick one if the 13/64" bit fits between the walls. My 406 block fits a snug 13/64" bit between the walls and is a std 4.13 bore. |
| | | RE: what engine do I have? -- Big Dave, 02/27/2005
as much as I would like to look at the date code, it does not have one. No casting numbers at all. do you think it will handle the 4.13 bore? |
| | | | RE: what engine do I have? -- Glenn, 02/27/2005
While it has no casting number it should have a date code underneath the oil filter adapter pad mounting area. Unless it's been ground off for some reason. Is this what you mean? As far as the 4.13 bore goes it might but depending on core shift and sonic results hard to say for sure. G. |
| | | | | RE: what engine do I have? -- Big Dave, 02/27/2005
well, in looking for a date code, I found 2C24 (sound right?) and I also found a tag on the driver's side, opposite of the date code. it said G 40445 , if that means anything. also a 45 DIF. I know what the DIF means, but maybe the 45 means something? |
| | | | | | RE: what engine do I have? -- Glenn, 02/27/2005
45 was just the mold number I believe. That's the date code and are there two dots under the first 2? If so it's a 72/March/24th date code. G. |
| | | | | | | RE: what engine do I have? -- Big Dave, 02/27/2005
yes, there are dots there, thank you very much! I just wish that I stumbled across a 427 sideoiler or something like that. |
| fe motor in a fox body mustang -- ben, 02/25/2005
i was woundering if any one could tell me if i can easilly put a 390 fe in my 79 fox body mustang , do they make an oil pan for this ap , do they make anything for this ap at all , or do i have to custome make everything |
| | RE: fe motor in a fox body mustang -- mike, 03/04/2005
A 460 fits pretty good in them but I have not seen a kit for a fe engine.So if the 460 fits a fe will.Try dugan-racing.com.The know just about everything on fox body mustangs. |
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