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| 390 reliability -- Troy, 02/19/2005
I currently run a 390 in my pulling/mud bog truck. It has 4.10 gears and a four speed. My cam of choice is a comp cams 292 hyd,heads are C1AE castings with 2.09/1.66 valves.Bottom end is mostly stock(arp bolts),rarely turn more than 6000 rpm,but I am on my third motor. All have broke the rod at #6 cylinder.Is this a weak area or just a bad coincidence.All advice or theories welcome. |
| | RE: 390 reliability -- giacamo, 02/24/2005
3 moters all #6 rods? that,s very unusual?are you runing the early 390 rods?c1ae-c rods? |
| | RE: 390 reliability -- Big Dave, 02/28/2005
Maybe you should switch to a good set of H-beam rods. It's my understanding that they are MUCH stronger. |
| | RE: 390 reliability -- cdailey, 03/21/2005
Any bore scoring (overheated piston) or bearing damage (hammering)? Bearing discolor (blue / black)? Any time the same part fails over and over, it's environment must be checked.
If there is bore scoring, the piston is likely overheating. I'll assume your piston and ring clearances were checked. We'll also assume that oiling is OK (unless the bearing is discolored), because the opposing cylinder would be splash oiled by the same journal and would fail as well (or show the same signs). This points to a lean condition or preignition / detonation causing the overheating. Make sure the intake manifold gasket surfaces are flat, machined to match the cylinder head angle, and well sealed. Don't use the Felpro gasket with the blue sealer ring, they crack when heat cycled. Seal with correct gasket sealer. If preignition or detonation is the culprit, it will show on the plug. Black specks on an otherwise white insulator is a good indicator. If you can run an 02 sensor, do it. Cheap insurance. Make sure fuel pressure is maintained during the run, and that the needle / seat flows sufficient fuel. Otherwise, fiddling with carb jets may be the only answer, but if you have a true fuel distribution problem, either pick a new intake/carb, or solicit the advice of a race engine builder to select another. Porting the intake will likely cost you more than just getting a better unit, but it can be worthwhile if done properly.
If there is bearing discoloring, the journal is overheating. Then you have to ask why... no oil, or too little clearance? Assuming the builder paid attention to the rod bearing clearance, it's probably oiling. Make sure you aren't pumping all the oil to the top of the engine (restrict the valvetrain oiling) and make sure that what's getting pumped up there is getting back (will the engine idle without valve covers and not overflow --it should). Make sure you have proper clearance between the bottom of the pan and the pickup. If you're reusing the same crank, make sure the oil passages are correctly drilled. I tried a trick I read in an article written by David Reher about stablizing oil pressure in wet sump drag engines: Replace diamond scraper windage (or no) tray with solid tray, stops air pulses into the sump, makes for less aerated oil. Before I tried this, my oil pressure was ok, but the gauge was jumpy, and high rpm made it worse. After: Rock solid oil pressure, and the gauge moves very smoothly, and pressure steadily increases with RPM, like I always thought it should.
My two pence. Good luck.
Chad |
| | | RE: 390 reliability -- John, 03/26/2005
always # 6 eh? Well, I'd look at something common to all three engines that only affect #6 cylinder. Ignition wire crossover? Cam lobe, if same cam used each time. Intake manifild...any vacumn devices on the #6 runner? Whatever is happening, just beefing up the bottom end with big dollar rods probably won't help.....just a way to leave you with 7 big dollar rods. |
| FE head 1626191 info and value -- steve, 02/17/2005
Ive got a set of Ford heads that Im trying to find info on. They look to be rebuilt and never installed. I was told they are FE heads and casting # is 1626191. Small valves, Any info and approximate value is appreciated. |
| TRW Cam? -- McQ, 02/16/2005
I'm looking at an old TRW camshaft still in the box with #TP-107. It's for a '63-up FE.
Does anyone have an old TRW catalog that provides information/specs on this cam?
Thanks. |
| | RE: Search here for Barry B posts. -- Gerry Proctor, 02/16/2005
Barry has a special connection since his company, Sealed Power, acquired TRW's manufacturing. |
| | | I think Gerry meant Barry R -- Barry B, 02/17/2005
Don't search for my posts, they suck!
Hi Mike! |
| | | | RE:thanks -- McQ, 02/18/2005
I think you're right Barry B regarding the R vs. B. R is the guy who runs that '68 or '69 Torino-Fairlane formal roof with the all new FE.
And your posts never suck! Always helpful.
thanks again and what's with that HP Starliner on ebay - again? |
| | | | | RE:you're welcome -- Barry B, 02/19/2005
and thank you, I try to be helpful but you and the guys here are the FE heavyweights while I just tinker.
Yeah I saw that 'liner up again, did you read at the end of the description "THE LAST GUY TOOK A VETTE INSTEAD--WE DON'T MIND"
Sheesh, he didn't deserve it anyway. :) |
| 390 Stroker Kits -- 64 Bolt, 02/15/2005
I am building a T-bolt clone, and at the last minute have canned my windsor to pursue a correct FE. Was wondering if any of the aftermarket stroker rotating assemblies by Scat and other companies are decent? I want to get closer to 427ci. Also I have read thread after thread on many forums about oiling problems. Whats the low down? What do I need to do for my motor to survive? I am looking at trying to obtain the same 550hp that my stroked windsor made.
-thank you |
| | RE: 390 Stroker Kits -- Dano, 02/16/2005
The Scat kits for other Ford engines are very good in my experience, I didn't know they had a stroker kit for the FE series. If you want 550 hp a stroker may not be the way to go since you will need a lot of rpm to get that hp out of the FE. The FE's strong suit is torque which will help you get that big car moving. The oiling modifications are talked about here often, unfortunatly I am no expert on that, I would do a search and you should find what you need. I recently built up a 420hp 390 and the oiling system was totally stock, the only change I needed to make was to install holley jets into the rocker shaft oil feed holes in the heads because of too much oil being sent up to the Erson roller rocker shafts I used. Otherwise the stock pump and passages work fine in my application. |
| | | RE: 390 Stroker Kits -- 64 Bolt, 02/20/2005
Thanks. .the Scat kit has a 4.125 stroke and with standard rods and bore, I believe that equates to about 425 inches. The car weighs 3100 lbs, has a liberty toploader, 4.56 gears and will be occasionally street driven. I cannot afford a 427, but want to run an FE to look correct (also I have a few 390's laying around). Any help appreciated, my buddeies are laughing at me for wanting to run an FE, which fuels my desire to build it. |
| intake advice -- Dusty, 02/14/2005
hey, i'm about to buy an intake manifold for my 390. i have a new comp cam 280h, stock cj heads with 3 angle valve job, 750 cfm and 800cfm double pump holly carb, and plan on buying hooker super comp headers. does any one have any experiance with the edelbrock performer rpm fe and weiland stealth fe. my rpm band is 2000-6000. i appreciate any advice and any stories of past experiances. |
| | Good luck, Dusty. -- Gerry Proctor, 02/15/2005
So few people use the Weiand(compared to the Edelbrock) that most information is anecdotal (friend of a friend, or I read it off the internet). If you want to be regarded as an inconoclast, use the Weiand. I'm sure it's not that bad for the power range you're interested in. But the Performer RPM is far and wide the most commonly used intake because it's fairly conventional in design and the concept is proven.
I use an RPM myself. It's a great intake but I can't compare it to the Weiand. I'm sure if you do find someone who has actually uses a Weiand, they won't be able to tell you anything about the RPM. And for it to be valid, they'd have to do a straight manifold swap without changing anything else, like the carb, timing, or exhaust. Most people wouldn't do such a swap unless they were really unhappy and were convinced it was the intake. |
| | | inconoclast? -- Barry B, 02/15/2005
I gotta get me a vocabulary |
| | | | Sure. -- Gerry Proctor, 02/15/2005
Inconoclast. One who uses temp resistant alloys in an unusual fashion. :-) |
| Cobra Jet Block -- WTD, 02/13/2005
I looked at a block today, supposedly a 428CJ block. It had a C8ME-A stamping on it, but on the back, instead of an A or C mark, which I understand the CJ or the SCJ's had, the block has the 352 and a "T" stamped in it.... is anyone familiar with this? thanks |
| | RE: Cobra Jet Block -- Jack W, 02/13/2005
Sounds like a Truck block. Not a CJ............. Check out Scott H's 428 Cobra Jet page.Great for ID CJ Blocks & parts.
http://www.428cobrajet.com/ JW |
| | | RE: Cobra Jet Block -- WTD, 02/13/2005
Jack, Well, I thought that that was possible, but from most of the sites that I have seen, the casting number indicates a CJ- so I was really confused. I did use Scott's CJ Block ID when I went to look at the motor, since it was porported to be a CJ.... but it had an oil pan on it, and I couldn't check the block webbing. |
| | | | RE: Cobra Jet Block -- Jack W, 02/13/2005
The C8ME-A Casting # Is found on Some CJ blocks.But it does not mean it is a CJ.This # is found on other blocks too.Lots of CJ blocks do not have any Casting #'s on them-Mine Does not.It has the Big C & extra webs. That T on that egine would lead me to believe it's TRUCK-360 390 prolly. Good luck JW |
| | | | | RE: Cobra Jet Block -- Barry B, 02/14/2005
Still could be a CJ service block. I've seen one with a "352 A" on the back but there were also some chicken scratches right next to it that with a lot of imagination looked like a "CX" |
| FE Engine Cradle -- Ken, 02/12/2005
If you need an engine cradle to transport or store your FE engine, Stumpy's Fab Works in Waterloo IL makes a variety of cradles for FEs with stock, T, or deep sump oil pans. I just bought one and it's a quality fit. He also makes them for flat heads, Y and 385 blocks and small block Fords. They mount to the motor mount holes. He sells them on ebay or email him at stumpysfabworks@wholenet.net. I have no financial interest - just passing along info that helped me. |
| is it a 390 or 391 -- Dreamer, 02/11/2005
Looking at a old scool bus motor. Suppose to be a 391. Block did nor have ribs. How to tell otherwise? The snout of the crank is exposed for inspection but what would I inspect? The diameter or something. |
| | RE: is it a 390 or 391 -- giacamo, 02/14/2005
391? it,s hard to tell but if it hase a large crank snout larger than the standerd fe crank it,s at least a truck engin. |
| 1969 428 CJ Pistons? -- Jack W, 02/09/2005
Went to the Machine shop today.Good news on the crank-Polished up nicely-No turning,still standard.Standard block vatted & fluxed w new cam bearings & freeze plugs,But will need to go 30 over.So I need to get New pistons.Do the folks that make these account for the different piston weights for the various years?Sivo-lite,Speed Pro & TRW? Thanks JW |
| | RE: 1969 428 CJ Pistons? -- Ken, 02/12/2005
Jack; I would use the SpeedPro L2303 pistons unless you want to lower your compression by using the non CJ 428 SpeedPro L2245 pistons. I used the .30 over L2303 pistons just last month. |
| | | RE: 1969 428 CJ Pistons? -- Jack W, 02/13/2005
Hey Ken, Where you been so Long?? LOL Why SPro?How much where they?I don't want to lower compression.Do they have heavier skirts than the stock Ford pistons.I was kinda thinking TRW's,they are about $50 a Hole! Thanks Jack W |
| | | | RE: 1969 428 CJ Pistons? -- Ken, 02/13/2005
Jeg's has them on their website for $50 each (p/n: 844-L2303NF30). They had 20 in stock when I called them. These are forged aluminum, stronger than original. I paid more than that for them. Speed Pro bought TRW. It'll end up being just a fraction of the total rebuild cost. |
| | | | | RE: 1969 428 CJ Pistons? -- Jack W, 02/13/2005
Very Good-That's quick service! That sould seal the deal for me on the pistons.Just the info I needed.What kind of cam did you use? I used a Comp cam & lifters in My Boss 302. It was great.Comp cams has a 428cj-very close to the stock configuration-Hi Energy cam-But it's advance 4 Degrees as are all of the hi energy cam.Did you opt for Rocker support on the ends? THanks JW |
| | | | | | RE: 1969 428 CJ Pistons? -- Ken, 02/13/2005
I went with a Bullet cam with increased lift. After advancing the initial timing to 10 degrees we got 382hp and 465lb of torque! I can hardly wait to get it back in the car. Rocker support on the ends? I got roller rockers on the stock shafts. |
| turbo tri power... -- Dave, 02/07/2005
Just wondering if anyone has seen or heard of any turbo tri powers out there? How about supercharged? I want to do this with my 390. Thanks |
| | RE: Draw through or blow through? -- Gerry Proctor, 02/07/2005
Draw through isn't difficult at all for a roots-type supercharger. You'd have to rework the carbs for the supercharger but it's so common that it's a "so what" as far as impact. I saw one setup where a guy used three four barrels. Mounting in a turbo or centrifugal would be a bit difficult and work no better than it ever has. In the early days, most turbo setups were draw through and had issues with lag, fuel puddling, starting that show up when you put the carburetor a long way from the intake valve. Draw through really only works well on roots blowers.
Blow through creates some issues that have largely been solved with electronic fuel injection. Doing it on a carbureted engine isn't impossible at all. You can buy a centrifugal supercharger from Vortec(I think it's Vortec, anyway) that included a pressure chamber for the carburetor. No reason you couldn't build a chamber for a tri-power set up. But I suppose this is one of those "Just because you can do it doesn't mean it's a good idea" things. Expect to have some difficulty getting the carbs calibrated for the boost. And other than making some kind of style statement, this would be a pretty marginal setup. Tri-power manifolds and carbs were never intended to flow a lot of air. Rated at the four barrel's 1.5" hg pressure drop, the tri-power set up comes in at around 700cfm. |
| | | RE: Draw through or blow through? -- DAve, 02/07/2005
I was going to do a blow through set up. One turbo each bank blowing into a Galaxie hi riise bonnet modified to fit. I figure Barry Grant or someone else could modify the carbs to accept boost, namely float bowls and seals. You are correct on the flow issue though, I haven't thought of that, how much do you think a factory manifold could be extrude honed to get some more flow, anyone here done this? Good response, thanks |
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