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 |  Noisy Lifter -- Bob S., 01/05/2005
Can I adjust the lifter arm or are they self adjusting on a 73' 351 Windsor? |
|  | RE: Noisy Lifter -- glennz, 01/06/2005
non-adjustable, should be a torque down unless someone has changed them to adjustable... |
 | FE Toploader question -- Brian, 01/05/2005
I'm converting from a C6 in my 67 mustang. Will be running a 470ci FE and wanted to go with a toploader. I can get a standard mustang 390 toploader and know it will fit. I want a big in/out on though and need to know if I get one that has the longer tailshaft, will the shifter fit in the correct spot?
Thanks for any help. |
|  | RE: FE Toploader question -- Jack, 01/05/2005
I believe it wont as the shifter will be to far back. you need the 14" tailshaft. Again this is my belief as I am looking for one myself but havnt seen anything sell for less then $600-$800 or more. I have a shop in Ca that will build one to your spec with mostly new parts for around $700 or so. Ive been thinking to just buy one from him. main reason being is I can pick the case myself and try to get close to my #'s.
Jack |
| | RE: Sure. -- Gerry Proctor, 01/05/2005
I recommend you contact David Kee, but visit his Internet site first: http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/ and do some research. He has some very helpful resource information on his to help you piece it together.
These days, you can get a toploader built to your specs with no compromises. It isn't cheap, but then quality never is.
I finished installing a David Kee close ratio, big in and out, long tail toploader to replace the C6 in my '67 390 Fairlane a couple months ago. Everything fit like a glove. With no core, it was about $1,700 out the door. He built the trans with one of his new nodular cases. And everything in the trans is new. No used parts at all except for the tail housing. Even though the price seemed a bit steep, I felt I got my money's worth. |
| Engine Casting Numbers -- Bob S., 01/04/2005
I am trying to validate the engine that I have in my 67 Galaxie.
I was originally told that the motor was a 289, but after I pulled the motor, I have found the following;
After pulling the intake, in the lifter valley, there is a 351W stamped. Also, on the rear side of the block there is the following;
D 2AE6015-BA-11. Also on the front of the block is the following: D30E6059.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Bob |
| Are the 68 mustang GT 390 heads identical? -- njponyboy, 01/04/2005
I had the heads on my 68 mustang gt 390 rebuilt and not sure which ones go on which side. They appear to be identical. Does anyone know if there is a right and left? They have the same FE number, same accessory holes on both ends, ect. |
| | No difference....Ford cylinder heads weren't 'sided'. [n/m] -- Mr F, 01/04/2005
n/m |
|  | RE: Are the 68 mustang GT 390 heads identical? -- giacamo, 01/04/2005
thear the same just make sure the gaskets are instaled right. |
| | | RE: Are the 68 mustang GT 390 heads identical? -- njponyboy, 01/05/2005
What do you mean by make sure the gaskets are installed right? The head gaskets seem to only go on one way as there are large round notches on the bottom. |
| | | | RE: Are the 68 mustang GT 390 heads identical? -- giacamo, 01/05/2005
the frount of engine water pasage is blocked off. the water pasage opening is open at the back of the block. some gaskets are marked frount some are not,some gaskets have the same finish look, to both sides and some do not, the ones that do not, one gasket will look upsidedown but will be corect. just remember the waterpasage opening at the back of the block [must] be open to the head and the frount waterpasage [must] be blocked off by the head gasket.if thear instaled wroung the water will just flow infrount and not flow back through the head and through side of the block to the water pump. |
| | | | | RE: Are the 68 mustang GT 390 heads identical? -- njponyboy, 01/05/2005
These gaskets were marked with a "front" but as you say, one looked upside down against the other. I did not notice the water passages, but put them on both with the "front" marking in the front. It did not look correct to me, since one looked upside down, but that was how it went..
Thanks for your input and expertise... |
| Clutch and fan question -- Joe, 01/03/2005
Knowing that it is hard to find orginal stuff. Has anyone installed Flex-a-lite fan and clutch on their 428? I emailed them and they recommend 5534 clutch and 5718 fan. But I noticed the fan is rated for 4000 rpm.
Thanks Joe |
| | RE: Clutch and fan question -- Martin Micheelsen, 01/04/2005
I tried a flex fan on my 390 Cougar. It was like installing a bunch of ginzu knives and then it was noisy and inadequate.
Hayden's fan clutch #2711 or equivalent from other manufacturers should fit and are readily available. Fred Oliva in Florida also rebuilds fan clutches, but that is a good bit more expensive than a new one. |
| | | RE: Clutch and fan question -- glennz, 01/04/2005
depends on the car, i have found that the hayden 2711 will not fit in an fe mustang, this holds true to any aftermarket clutch, the 2711 even though on the web site shows one measuremnt it is actually 1/2 longer then it shows and will not fit the mustang,
i had to have the original rebuilt and i do not remember at the moment who did it biut it was expensive as HE** |
| | | RE: Possible Mixup ? -- Martin Micheelsen, 01/05/2005
Hayden lists the 2710 as the correct fan clutch for Fe Mustangs/Cougars. The 2711 is the same as the 2710 but .35 inch shorter. Anyone asking for a Hayden Fan clutch for the above application will be handed the longer model 2710. Are you sure that it was the 2711 model that didn't fit ?
I don't mean to be rude. I am just really attached to the idea that new fan clutches still can be purchased.
Someone on either this forum or at mercurycougar.net got a new fan clutch that was the equivalent to the 2711 from his local parts store and it fit nicely.
Personally I had not heard of this option when I had mine rebuilt by Fred Oliva in Florida. |
| | | | RE: Possible Mixup ? -- glennz, 01/05/2005
yes i specifically asked for a 2711 and that is what the box read, over the last few years or so hayden changed the dimensions although they will never tell you that, the 2710, was way to long for the car i did, then ordered the 2711 after going onto the hayden site and looke dup dimensions, luckily i have a good parts counter man that works on all kinds of crazy stuff for me and has no problem sending stuff back and forth for me...
my application was the fe mustang, and using the 2711 the fan hit the radiator, on one of the other fe sites i frequent they suggested also that the 2711 whould not fit unless you found someone that had an old one sittin gon the shelf...
was really hoping at he time the hayden fit, it was a 3rd of the price of rebuilding my original
some people may be lucky and getthe 2711 to fit, either a difference in car or an older model 2711 clutch, i think even if you do a search here on this site it will show that most people had bad luck with fitment
glenn z |
| | | | | Hayden 2711 -- Royce, 01/05/2005
I have Hayden 2711's on two of my cars. With a four core aftermarket radiator there is only 1/4" clearance between the fan clutch and the radiator. You have to install the fan on the engine, then slip the shroud on the fan, then lower the radiator into place to make it work. With a three core original radiator there is over an inch of clearance.
Here's a chart that might be handy:
Dimension comparison and application chart
Hayden C9SE-B C9WE-A C80E-A
Application UniversalFit 429 Thunderbird 351W Cougar, Mustang 427 / 428CJ
Height 3 ¼ 2 ¾ 2 ¾ 2 5/8
Shaft Hole Diameter ¾ ¾ 5/8 5/8
Shaft adapter sleeve required? Yes Yes No No
Works with 4 core radiator? Yes Yes Yes Yes
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| | | | | | Fan Clutch comparison and application chart again -- Royce, 01/05/2005
Fan Clutch Dimension comparison and application chart
Hayden Universal Fit 8511
Height 3 ¼
Shaft Hole Diameter ¾
Shaft adapter sleeve required? Yes
Works with 4 core radiator? Yes
ID #C9SE-B
Original Application 1969 429 Thunderbird
Height 2 ¾
Shaft Hole Diameter ¾
Shaft adapter sleeve required? Yes
Works with 4 core radiator? Yes
ID #C9WE-A
Application 1969 351W Cougar, Mustang
Height 2 ¾
Shaft adapter sleeve required? No
Works with 4 core radiator? Yes
ID #C80E-A
Application 1968 Cougar 390 /427 / 428CJ
Mustang 390 / 428CJ
Height 2 5/8
Shaft Hole Diameter 5/8
Shaft adapter sleeve required? No
Works with 4 core radiator? Yes
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| Intake manifold heat shield -- Ken, 01/03/2005
Does anybody know where I can get an intake manifold heat shield (C6AZ-6A630D) for the Ford 428CJ aluminum intake?
It rivets or bolts to the bottom of the intake.
I tried Perogie. I called Greens. And Bob Perkins said he didn't have any extras.
It's a different heat shield than the one on the cast iron intake. |
| | RE: Intake manifold heat shield -- Barry B, 01/05/2005
Yes, they are different. have you tried Mansfield or Gessford?
Here's a pic of the bottom of a 428PI:
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| | | RE: Intake manifold heat shield -- Barry B, 01/05/2005
and here's a pic of the bottom of a 428CJ: (don't know how to post two pics at once)
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| | | RE: Intake manifold heat shield -- Ken, 01/05/2005
Thanks for the pics and info Barry! That's the first aluminum intake heat shield that I've seen. I can see the difference now.
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| | | | RE: Intake manifold heat shield -- Barry B, 01/06/2005
You're welcome Ken! Glad it helped. Hey, I found a couple more pics of the PI shield by itself (sorry Mr. F for the clutter)
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| | | | | RE: Intake manifold heat shield -- Barry B, 01/06/2005
and another view...
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| FE motor mounts -- kirk, 01/02/2005
I have a set of frame stands and motor mounts from a 1969 390 cyclone. Will these work in a mustang or cougar? |
| | They're certainly not a 'bolt-in' swap, that's for sure. [n/m] -- Mr F, 01/04/2005
n/m |
| | RE: FE motor mounts -- giacamo, 01/04/2005
kirk dont toss them alot of cyclone montego oweners like me would love to have a extra set for futuer projects |
| | | RE: FE motor mounts -- kirk, 01/04/2005
I guess I will look for a set for a mustang, and keep these in case I ever get another 69 cyclone. |
| | | | RE: FE motor mounts -- Bill, 01/06/2005
Kirk, I put 2 390 into a 73 mustang, its was abear, I could not use the original mounts, but a lil cutting & drilling with 3" square tubes, it worked. I did use the rubber backed motor mount to attach to the 3" tube. Motor sits 1.5" than I wanted but now I can my hedman headers on! Also I had to make my own c-6 tranny mount, not to bad for a backyard mechanic, just used plate steel with tube spacers. Then last, A shop cut drive line. Alot of people said its not worth it, it is. Bill |
| | | | | RE: FE motor mounts -- tbolt, 02/02/2005
i'm interested in those mounts if you want to let them go.
thx. for your time
tbolt |
| 67 Mustang w/ C-6 and Headers -- Carl H, 01/01/2005
I've got a 67 Mustang w/ 390 and C-6 tranny. Just installed Hooker Headers and the tranny shift lever is right up against the driver side header.
Does this header installation require an after market shifter or can I still use my stock shifter. (shift lever is pointing down on my tranny). |
| Paxton superchargers -- Dano, 01/01/2005
I have seen pictures of FE engine Mustangs with a Paxton blower on them. Does anyone know if there are kits available and where to get them? |
| | | Cobra automotive... -- Glenn, 01/02/2005
Sells a dual paxton kit for the FE for $8500. Fits underhood nice and neat. I think they will taylor a single supercharger as well. www.cobraautomotive.com
click on horsepower and scroll down. |
| | | | RE: Cobra automotive... -- Dano, 01/02/2005
Thanks for the info. I will check it out. |
| 390, copper coat head gaskets or not? -- Ken, 01/01/2005
I got motor oil in my coolant, removed heads hoping a gasket failure. No cracks found in heads, but had them resurfaced. Machinist said to use copper coat. Hoping that it is not a cracked block! |
| | RE: 390, copper coat head gaskets or not? -- giacamo, 01/01/2005
oil in coolant not a good thing sometimes the oil pasage cracks from the cam bearings to the heads and lets oil into the waterjacket the onlie fix is to drill out the pasageway and sleave it with a hallow push rod and trim flush at the deck i never sean this problem but it,s hapened befor thank god not to me, |
| | | RE: 390, copper coat head gaskets or not? -- walt, 04/29/2005
i had used the factory steel shims,ran into the same problem,felpro's cured that,aslight warp in the head or at the oilpassage?some later blocks had a core shift that made the oil passage gallery too thin,repaired as was mentioned in earlier text |
| | | RE: 390, copper coat head gaskets or not? -- walt, 05/09/2005
i had 2 of them,73/74 blocks,instead of taking a chance on them,we replaced them,and a guy did just what you said with the push rod trick,worked,but at the time,i didn't know what was going on |
| | RE: I Would Not (390, copper coat head gaskets) -- Robert, 05/02/2005
You did not say what kind of head gaskets.
If they are Fel Pro or Victor composition gaskets, I would not coat them with anything.
Simply clean the mating surfaces with brake or carb cleaner and make sure it is dry before installing and torque to spec.
If they are steel shim or copper, better ask someone with ‘speriance.
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