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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19998&Reply=19998><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>looking for a 40 ford pickup Title</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kowalski, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Guys,<br><br>Does anyone know where i can buy, a title for my 40 pickup?<br><br>Thanks SKI... </blockquote> looking for a 40 ford pickup Title -- Kowalski, 02/01/2004
Guys,

Does anyone know where i can buy, a title for my 40 pickup?

Thanks SKI...
 Title -- Lou, 02/01/2004
Do a search and find one of the companies in Alabama that handle out of state reg. Will cost you about $200. Unless you have a friend in a state that doesn't title older cars, such as Massachusetts.


Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19995&Reply=19995><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Heat shield repair</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>richard, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Have a heat shield for my 68 390GT.  Its in OK shape but has some pitting I'd like to patch.  Not a welder, and don't know if there a bondo/epoxy/JB Weld type product that could handle the heat and be used to fill and grind smooth before painting.  Or is puddling weldment and grinding the way to go?<br><br>Any recommendations on how to fill the pits prior to paint? </blockquote> Heat shield repair -- richard, 01/31/2004
Have a heat shield for my 68 390GT. Its in OK shape but has some pitting I'd like to patch. Not a welder, and don't know if there a bondo/epoxy/JB Weld type product that could handle the heat and be used to fill and grind smooth before painting. Or is puddling weldment and grinding the way to go?

Any recommendations on how to fill the pits prior to paint?
 RE: Heat shield repair -- giacamo, 02/04/2004
have them powder coated it will fill the pits. i had a set of exhaust manifolds done and thay look great.........
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20064&Reply=19995><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Don't use 'bondo' unless the rust is 100% gone. See related...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>02/04/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.fomoco.com/mustang-forum/thread.asp?ID=88658">http://www.fomoco.com/mustang-forum/thread.asp?ID=88658</a> </blockquote> Don't use 'bondo' unless the rust is 100% gone. See related... -- Mr F, 02/04/2004
http://www.fomoco.com/mustang-forum/thread.asp?ID=88658
 No bondo... -- richard, 02/04/2004
I'd expect it couldn't take the heat or stess caused by differential expansion of the metal and bondo over many heat cycles. Will look into lead work or powdercoating.

Thanks for the replies!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19986&Reply=19986><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>2004 list of fairlane club meets</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The national meet is in Dearborn Michigan June 25-26<br>Mini Meets<br>June 4-6 Carlisle All Ford Nationals<br>June 5-6 Indianopolis Indiana Mustang/Ford Show&Swap meet<br>June 5-6 Dubuque Iowa<br><br>July 24  Harrison TWP Michigan, Bash at the Beach Metro Beach/Park  (DETROIT AREA)<br>July 25 ST. Louis Missouri 18th annual all Ford car and truck show<br>August 14 Hummelstown Pa <br>TBA Tasca Ford Show. Cranston Rhode Island<br>August 21 New Brighton Minnesota 3rd Annual Northland New Brighton Ford, 5-6 miles east of Minneapolis<br>August 21-22 Woodburn Oregon , mini meet with  Pacific Northwest Torino Club in conjunction with Dearborn Classics. All Ford Days at Woodburn Drag Strip<br>September 3-5 Columbus Ohio Expo 2004   Drags, Swap, National Trails Raceway<br>September 5  Langely B.C.<br>TBA  Kittanning Pa<br>TBA Effingham Illinois<br>September 11  Middletown Indiana, McCrocklin Ford<br>September 17-19 TULARE-Visalia Calf. <br>TBA Ypsilanti Michigan<br>October 2 Fieldale VA tentative date.<br><br>So hopefully there is one close to you guys.<br>I can give e-mail addresses for some of those meets for more info, if needed </blockquote> 2004 list of fairlane club meets -- blinker, 01/31/2004
The national meet is in Dearborn Michigan June 25-26
Mini Meets
June 4-6 Carlisle All Ford Nationals
June 5-6 Indianopolis Indiana Mustang/Ford Show&Swap meet
June 5-6 Dubuque Iowa

July 24 Harrison TWP Michigan, Bash at the Beach Metro Beach/Park (DETROIT AREA)
July 25 ST. Louis Missouri 18th annual all Ford car and truck show
August 14 Hummelstown Pa
TBA Tasca Ford Show. Cranston Rhode Island
August 21 New Brighton Minnesota 3rd Annual Northland New Brighton Ford, 5-6 miles east of Minneapolis
August 21-22 Woodburn Oregon , mini meet with Pacific Northwest Torino Club in conjunction with Dearborn Classics. All Ford Days at Woodburn Drag Strip
September 3-5 Columbus Ohio Expo 2004 Drags, Swap, National Trails Raceway
September 5 Langely B.C.
TBA Kittanning Pa
TBA Effingham Illinois
September 11 Middletown Indiana, McCrocklin Ford
September 17-19 TULARE-Visalia Calf.
TBA Ypsilanti Michigan
October 2 Fieldale VA tentative date.

So hopefully there is one close to you guys.
I can give e-mail addresses for some of those meets for more info, if needed
 RE: Fairlane owner? -- McQ, 01/31/2004
Hey blinker are you a member of the Fairlane club? Do you have an FE 'lane?

Please forgive me for blowin' some smoker here....I have proudly hanging on my shop wall a plaque from many years ago that indicates I was founding member #9. It was founded by Glenn Packard, Pennsylvania. It started out almost exclusively as HP289 Fairlane club but quickly moved to include big block or actually any Fairlane. I supported that. I was the first "tech advisor" for the Big Block '66/'67 Fairlane/Comets. I thought I knew so much way back then. I've only learned in recent years how much I didn't know and continue to learn.

Thanks for sharing the info and I'm glad the club is doing well. What a great time that would be to be in Dearborn this summer.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19996&Reply=19986><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 2004 list of fairlane club meets</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>#1698.  Founding member? I feel like I've been talking to Franklin, Jefferson, etc.  <br>I wonder when you drop out if someone else gets your #9, or if you rejoined if you would get it back.<br>'69 Cobra, "Sportsroof"c/6 auto, ram air  column shift, and for some stupid reason, a open 3.50 differential.   </blockquote> RE: 2004 list of fairlane club meets -- blinker, 02/01/2004
#1698. Founding member? I feel like I've been talking to Franklin, Jefferson, etc.
I wonder when you drop out if someone else gets your #9, or if you rejoined if you would get it back.
'69 Cobra, "Sportsroof"c/6 auto, ram air column shift, and for some stupid reason, a open 3.50 differential.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19999&Reply=19986><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Open 3.50 rearend</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>A lot of Fords show the open 3.50 rearend on the door tag.  <br><br>My understanding is that except for earlier years (?) if you ordered a rearend such as a 4.11, 4.57 etc, it was dealer installed.  This was so the factory did not have to keep such a variety of gears on hand.  This did not apply to special packages like the Super Cobrajet Mustang with the 3.91 or 4.30 gear.   </blockquote> Open 3.50 rearend -- Travis Miller, 02/01/2004
A lot of Fords show the open 3.50 rearend on the door tag.

My understanding is that except for earlier years (?) if you ordered a rearend such as a 4.11, 4.57 etc, it was dealer installed. This was so the factory did not have to keep such a variety of gears on hand. This did not apply to special packages like the Super Cobrajet Mustang with the 3.91 or 4.30 gear.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20003&Reply=19986><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: And Cobra</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The '69 Fairlane Cobra was available with a drag package, hence the SCJ engine.  Either an -R- code (Ram Air) or a -Q- code (Non R-air) were available with the 3.91 track lock/4.30 track lock, C6 or 4 speed.  Most "standard" dealer ordered '69 Cobras came with the open 3.50s.<br><br>I'm not sure if the drag package was available on a Mustang -Q- code?   I've always paid a little more attention to Fairlanes.<br><br>Speaking of which,  I  will always be "Founding member #9".  Aren't I just the special one.  I haven't been a member for many years.  Kind of fell away from Fairlanes/Comets.  Not that there's anything wrong with them.  I've had my eye on a '66 Ivy Green GTA rotting away in the original owner's backyard for 19 years.   I talk to Doug a couple of times a year, so you never know.  I might rejoin the 'laners yet. </blockquote> RE: And Cobra -- McQ, 02/01/2004
The '69 Fairlane Cobra was available with a drag package, hence the SCJ engine. Either an -R- code (Ram Air) or a -Q- code (Non R-air) were available with the 3.91 track lock/4.30 track lock, C6 or 4 speed. Most "standard" dealer ordered '69 Cobras came with the open 3.50s.

I'm not sure if the drag package was available on a Mustang -Q- code? I've always paid a little more attention to Fairlanes.

Speaking of which, I will always be "Founding member #9". Aren't I just the special one. I haven't been a member for many years. Kind of fell away from Fairlanes/Comets. Not that there's anything wrong with them. I've had my eye on a '66 Ivy Green GTA rotting away in the original owner's backyard for 19 years. I talk to Doug a couple of times a year, so you never know. I might rejoin the 'laners yet.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20006&Reply=19986><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Good idea, get the ivy green '66 and</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>that dark green 68 fastback mustang.  Dynamic Duo! </blockquote> Good idea, get the ivy green '66 and -- blinker, 02/01/2004
that dark green 68 fastback mustang. Dynamic Duo!
 RE: Good idea, get the ivy green '66 and -- McQ, 02/02/2004
You remembered that one too! Yes, a neighbor does have an -S- code '68 GT 4 speed 'stang (would a Bullit replica it could be) that is currently equipped with a 302. It's just collecting dust but at least it's out of the weather unlike Doug's '66 GTA. It would be a tough choice if either ever become available. I've got to finish my current six year project and then do all I can to stay out of the local Ford dealer showrooms when the '05 Mustang GTs hit this fall.

That new Mustang is very easy on the eyes.
 RE: And Cobra -- spencer, 09/19/2004
hello
where can i find a full set of black cobra door panels?
 RE: Open 3.50 rearend -- Greg Westphall, 02/02/2004
My dad purchased his 1969 Mercury Cyclone new. Ordered it from the factory in '68. I remember the day we picked it up at the dealer in Naperville Illinois. He ordered it with the 428CJ and a 3.00:1 traction lock differential. It arrived with a 3.50:1 open rear end. My dad never changed it. When I bought the car from him I kept the 3.50 Gear and put in a detroit locker. I have the original order form and it clearly shows the gear set he wanted. I always wondered why they put it together wrong.
 RE: 2004 list of fairlane club meets -- Don F, 02/01/2004
Man...I'm in the deep south.Nothing close by here.They keep telling me this is Chevy country but I keep trying to prove them wrong.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19979&Reply=19979><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>'66 410/C-6  42000mi in current Fairlaner</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>says its complete, unmolested engine assy from air cleaner to oil pan.The guy wants $675 for it.  his # 269-483-2331. He lives in southwest michigan<br><br> </blockquote> '66 410/C-6 42000mi in current Fairlaner -- blinker, 01/31/2004
says its complete, unmolested engine assy from air cleaner to oil pan.The guy wants $675 for it. his # 269-483-2331. He lives in southwest michigan

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19982&Reply=19979><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What is A Fairlaner? n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> What is A Fairlaner? n/m -- Lou, 01/31/2004
n/m
 RE: What is A Fairlaner? n/m -- blinker, 01/31/2004
Bimonthly Magazine published by the Fairlane club of America. Covers Ford and Mecury intermediates 1962-1976. Yearly U.S. dues are $28 a year.
Address is Fairlane Club OF America
340 Clicktown Rd.
Church Hill TN
37642-6622
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19976&Reply=19976><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Anyone ever get any facts on the 427 "F" head?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Anyone ever get any facts on the 427 "F" head? -- blinker, 01/31/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19985&Reply=19976><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Which one?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>There's the "F" head and the "Big F" head.  Could you elaborate on your question a bit more so we might hit on a pertinent response?<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> Which one? -- Dave Shoe, 01/31/2004
There's the "F" head and the "Big F" head. Could you elaborate on your question a bit more so we might hit on a pertinent response?

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19989&Reply=19976><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Which one?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The medium riser type actually used in racing, as opposed to the ones you got when you bought a medium riser off the showroom floor. </blockquote> RE: Which one? -- blinker, 01/31/2004
The medium riser type actually used in racing, as opposed to the ones you got when you bought a medium riser off the showroom floor.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19994&Reply=19976><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>There has been an ebay auction with one.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>We spoke of this head a year or so ago.  Not much has been learned since then.  A photo sighting, along with description, was offered on ebay a while ago.  It's been my only sighting of this NHRA legal, NASCAR-used, over-the-counter-only casting.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> There has been an ebay auction with one. -- Dave Shoe, 01/31/2004
We spoke of this head a year or so ago. Not much has been learned since then. A photo sighting, along with description, was offered on ebay a while ago. It's been my only sighting of this NHRA legal, NASCAR-used, over-the-counter-only casting.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20009&Reply=19976><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: There has been an ebay auction with one.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John Saxon, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>So Dave are you talking about the big F head or is this some other casting used only for racing? </blockquote> RE: There has been an ebay auction with one. -- John Saxon, 02/01/2004
So Dave are you talking about the big F head or is this some other casting used only for racing?
 I'm referring to the "big F" head. -- Dave Shoe, 02/02/2004
The "Big F" head was not available on 427MR productuon engines. It was offered to Ford sponsored NASCAR race teams and then was apparently available over the counter and made NHRA legal.

If I recall, the ports are a bit different, and the "F" is located next to the #1/#8 spark plug, not between the center plugs as found on the pruduction "F" heads.

There were a variety of MR head castings with SK numbers. SOme worked better than others, but the "Big F" ones were apparently based on one of the better SK variations.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19968&Reply=19968><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Street Heads for Cobra replica</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am building a AC Replica and have 2 motors I'm building, the preformance motor I have two sets of heads for it. C8AE-H and C4AE-G both sets are unmolested. I have a Canton Hi volume pan and pump system the crank has been balanced to internal specs with heavy metal and the rods and H-beam 6.40 the pistons are 10.5-1 +40. Which heads would be best for a street screamer?<br> </blockquote> Street Heads for Cobra replica -- Mark, 01/31/2004
I am building a AC Replica and have 2 motors I'm building, the preformance motor I have two sets of heads for it. C8AE-H and C4AE-G both sets are unmolested. I have a Canton Hi volume pan and pump system the crank has been balanced to internal specs with heavy metal and the rods and H-beam 6.40 the pistons are 10.5-1 +40. Which heads would be best for a street screamer?
 RE: Street Heads for Cobra replica -- galaxiefreak64, 02/01/2004
what kind of motor are you buliding?? if a fe heres some info. the h heads are 1968 pickup 2v heads, the g heads are off a 390 or 427, these are 4v and we put these on our 427s.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19965&Reply=19965><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>2U/3U crankshafts</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>david, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>What is the difference between the 2U and 3U 390 crankshaft. Is there a balance difference that requires different piston weights? </blockquote> 2U/3U crankshafts -- david, 01/31/2004
What is the difference between the 2U and 3U 390 crankshaft. Is there a balance difference that requires different piston weights?
 THey're all made of the same nodular iron. -- Dave Shoe, 01/31/2004
All FE cast cranks are made of the same nodular iron. The balance is probably the only difference. 3U is listed as a 1973-76 FE 390 crank. The books are generally wrong on part number identifications, but this one sounds pretty close.

Shoe.
 RE: 2U/3U crankshafts -- giacamo, 02/02/2004
the 2u and 3u are twins.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19963&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 engine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Don, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Building a 67 428 engine was wondering if C6AE rods were ok? and the heads i was going to use are drilled (4 holes) casting number C6AE 8090R, i am going to be using Aires 11-1 30 0ver pistons,and i have 209-165 ss valves.Is this a good combo?? </blockquote> 428 engine -- Don, 01/31/2004
Building a 67 428 engine was wondering if C6AE rods were ok? and the heads i was going to use are drilled (4 holes) casting number C6AE 8090R, i am going to be using Aires 11-1 30 0ver pistons,and i have 209-165 ss valves.Is this a good combo??
 Good mix. -- Dave Shoe, 01/31/2004
All the FE rods are the same. The C7AE-B were sometimes drilled to fit 13/32" bolts, but were usually drilled for the 3/8" bolt and stuck in millions of 390s. Your C6 rods are exactly the same, just an earlier tool. If they originally came on a 1966 428PI then they would have been drilled to fit the 13/32" bolt, bout were likely drilled to fit the 3/8" bolt. If you install ARP 3/8" bolts and have the rods resized for proper roundness at the higher clamping force of the ARP bolts, then you've got some killer street rods which outperform the PI/CJ rods.

The heads are C6AE-6090-R and are the much like CJ heads and were found randomly on maybe a third of the FEs from 1966 to early 1967. Just as CJ heads were cast to fit standard FE valves and then throat dressed to fit CJ valves, your C6AE-R heads can take the CJ valves in identical fashion.

There is a 1/4" tall lip in the ceiling of the exhaust port, located at the most external 1/2" of the port in order to properly match the excessively conservative Fairlane 390 exhaust manifold. Just grind the lip off and you've got the CJ-equivalent head.

Compression seems a bit steep for the street, but that's a whole different conversation.

Be careful that your block is a genuine 428, or else a heavy cylinder 361/391, as there is a lot of false data claiming C6ME-whatever blocks are 428 blocks. In fact, C6ME-whatever blocks were used in 428 applications, just as they were used in 352, 360, 390, 410, 330, 361, 391, and even some 427 applications. External markings are artificial. There are ways to determine which block you really have (search "drill bit test"). You DON'T want to make a powerful engine out of an overbored 390 block that is pretending to be a 428.

Beware, the books on the FE are wrong, particularly regarding oil mods. The only weak spot in the FE's stock oiling system is in the capacity of the oil pan in high performance applications. It's a truely great oiling system for a stock FE, as the longevity and very slow wear of stock engines has proven many millions of times.

Be sure to search the forum to find critical arguments and answers on building an FE.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19969&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 engine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Don, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks Dave you have been a great help,i am a gm big block buy not to much expeirence with fe motors,and i have been told 11.0 might be a bit much for this motor.This is definately a 428 with the big a cast into the block is standard bore also cast# 1U on the crank.Thanks Again how about a bit of info on a good cam for this motor going in a 69 mach 1 350 posi rear diff with a c-6 auto trans with 2800 high stahl. </blockquote> RE: 428 engine -- Don, 01/31/2004
Thanks Dave you have been a great help,i am a gm big block buy not to much expeirence with fe motors,and i have been told 11.0 might be a bit much for this motor.This is definately a 428 with the big a cast into the block is standard bore also cast# 1U on the crank.Thanks Again how about a bit of info on a good cam for this motor going in a 69 mach 1 350 posi rear diff with a c-6 auto trans with 2800 high stahl.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19971&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Crane 282S.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Sounds like a great application for a Crane 282S, if you indend to drive it a bunch but seek some serious power.<br><br>I'm not a cam wiz, but have had pump-down issues with hydraulics at sustained revs.  Solids will generate a little clacking, but will otherwise offer the stability I seek at higher revs.  There is fairly strong agreement among the folk I speak with that the Crane 282S is a great cam for the 3:50 rear and C6.<br><br>To be sure, you need a performance ol pan and pickup if you intend to do any perfoprmance dirving in that light of a car.  Fast acceleration rates will dump the pan dry, and an aftermarket oil pump can dry out a pan even in a slower car.  Be careful of oiling mods, as the books usually have it wrong.  Start with the oil pan and work from there.  A stock pump IS sufficient for most performance applications.  Upgrading pumps is fine, if you rebalance the system by adding oil restrictors in the heads, etc.<br><br>JMO,<br>Shoe. </blockquote> Crane 282S. -- Dave Shoe, 01/31/2004
Sounds like a great application for a Crane 282S, if you indend to drive it a bunch but seek some serious power.

I'm not a cam wiz, but have had pump-down issues with hydraulics at sustained revs. Solids will generate a little clacking, but will otherwise offer the stability I seek at higher revs. There is fairly strong agreement among the folk I speak with that the Crane 282S is a great cam for the 3:50 rear and C6.

To be sure, you need a performance ol pan and pickup if you intend to do any perfoprmance dirving in that light of a car. Fast acceleration rates will dump the pan dry, and an aftermarket oil pump can dry out a pan even in a slower car. Be careful of oiling mods, as the books usually have it wrong. Start with the oil pan and work from there. A stock pump IS sufficient for most performance applications. Upgrading pumps is fine, if you rebalance the system by adding oil restrictors in the heads, etc.

JMO,
Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19974&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Crane or Comp 282S?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I agree with Dave's comments regarding hydraulic lifters vs. solids.  The solids do have the tell-tale click but that's a sound I like.  Plus you'll have to check the lash adjustment once in awhile but again that's not something I don't mind either.  From my own personal experience, when it comes to high performance FE, I have found solid lifters much more pleasing than hydraulics.<br><br>And do you mean the Comp 282S?  Or does Crane also make a 282S grind?  I know for a fact that Competition does, that's the cam I've got in my 427.<br><br>I'm not promoting Comp over Crane.  Just wanted to make sure Don had the right company if he made the call or checked their site. </blockquote> RE: Crane or Comp 282S? -- McQ, 01/31/2004
I agree with Dave's comments regarding hydraulic lifters vs. solids. The solids do have the tell-tale click but that's a sound I like. Plus you'll have to check the lash adjustment once in awhile but again that's not something I don't mind either. From my own personal experience, when it comes to high performance FE, I have found solid lifters much more pleasing than hydraulics.

And do you mean the Comp 282S? Or does Crane also make a 282S grind? I know for a fact that Competition does, that's the cam I've got in my 427.

I'm not promoting Comp over Crane. Just wanted to make sure Don had the right company if he made the call or checked their site.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19987&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Comp, not Crane.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks.  I had Crane buzzing in my head, but it's the Comp 282S that is being raved about nowadays for applications like this.  I'm sure many others are great, but I'm not all that familiar with cam profiles, so I keep my ears open.  It'll likely be my next cam.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> Comp, not Crane. -- Dave Shoe, 01/31/2004
Thanks. I had Crane buzzing in my head, but it's the Comp 282S that is being raved about nowadays for applications like this. I'm sure many others are great, but I'm not all that familiar with cam profiles, so I keep my ears open. It'll likely be my next cam.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19988&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I used a Comp 282S in my most recent motor.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>It is a .30" over 427 block with a 1U crankshaft so it makes about 455 cubic inches. The engine is an absolute blast to drive in my '67 Cougar with wide ratio top loader four speed and 3.50 rear axle ratio. It pulls hard from 2000 to 5500. Relatively smooth idle but healthy sounding. The unbelievable part is that it pulls 22 inches of vacuum at 600 RPM! Needless to say the power brakes work well.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> I used a Comp 282S in my most recent motor. -- Royce, 01/31/2004
It is a .30" over 427 block with a 1U crankshaft so it makes about 455 cubic inches. The engine is an absolute blast to drive in my '67 Cougar with wide ratio top loader four speed and 3.50 rear axle ratio. It pulls hard from 2000 to 5500. Relatively smooth idle but healthy sounding. The unbelievable part is that it pulls 22 inches of vacuum at 600 RPM! Needless to say the power brakes work well.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19992&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: I used a Comp 282S in my most recent motor.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tim P., <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Royce thats damn good 22hgs @600rpms almost unheard of but excellent of coarse how did the motor get that amount of vaccume at idle with a moderate cam as such? </blockquote> RE: I used a Comp 282S in my most recent motor. -- Tim P., 01/31/2004
Royce thats damn good 22hgs @600rpms almost unheard of but excellent of coarse how did the motor get that amount of vaccume at idle with a moderate cam as such?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19997&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I think attention to detail is important.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The machine work on this motor is superb with very smooth cylinder walls, zero deck cut pistons, block squared, crank indexed, rods checked for length and straightness after sizing. The heads have solid bronze guides and new stainless valves to hold a tight seal. <br><br>I used Victor Reinz intake gaskets, file fit plasma moly rings and went through valve adjustment three times after run in of the cam to be sure all were at the recommended .022". The heads were retorqued after run in as was the intake. The distributor curve has been tweaked to use 12 initial, 30 at WOT and 40 static at 3000. All these things affect vacuum and driveability. <br><br>I love it when a plan comes together!<br><br>Royce </blockquote> I think attention to detail is important. -- Royce Peterson, 02/01/2004
The machine work on this motor is superb with very smooth cylinder walls, zero deck cut pistons, block squared, crank indexed, rods checked for length and straightness after sizing. The heads have solid bronze guides and new stainless valves to hold a tight seal.

I used Victor Reinz intake gaskets, file fit plasma moly rings and went through valve adjustment three times after run in of the cam to be sure all were at the recommended .022". The heads were retorqued after run in as was the intake. The distributor curve has been tweaked to use 12 initial, 30 at WOT and 40 static at 3000. All these things affect vacuum and driveability.

I love it when a plan comes together!

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20005&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: I think attention to detail is important.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tim P., <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>What do you mean by cut pit. square block and index crank and someone told me that bronz guides cause the valves to stick because they expand too much can you enlighten me some? Thanks Tim. </blockquote> RE: I think attention to detail is important. -- Tim P., 02/01/2004
What do you mean by cut pit. square block and index crank and someone told me that bronz guides cause the valves to stick because they expand too much can you enlighten me some? Thanks Tim.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20010&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Blueprinting terms</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>"Squaring" the block is making sure all surfaces are in correct relation to one another. For example the deck is parallel to the main bearing bore and the rear face of the block is 90 degrees to the crank bore.<br><br>Crank indexing is making sure the throws are located properly with relation to one another and have identical stroke. <br><br>Cutting the pistons to zero deck means buying pistons intentionally a bit too tall for the application, then machining the tops to exactly the same dimension equivalent to the top of the block deck. After that the valve reliefs are cut.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> Blueprinting terms -- Royce, 02/01/2004
"Squaring" the block is making sure all surfaces are in correct relation to one another. For example the deck is parallel to the main bearing bore and the rear face of the block is 90 degrees to the crank bore.

Crank indexing is making sure the throws are located properly with relation to one another and have identical stroke.

Cutting the pistons to zero deck means buying pistons intentionally a bit too tall for the application, then machining the tops to exactly the same dimension equivalent to the top of the block deck. After that the valve reliefs are cut.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20011&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Blueprinting terms</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tim P., <i>02/01/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Intresting thanks for your input Royce,  Tim P. </blockquote> RE: Blueprinting terms -- Tim P., 02/01/2004
Intresting thanks for your input Royce, Tim P.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20014&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Blueprinting terms</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tim P., <i>02/02/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Royce Still Curious on your input about Bronz Valve Guides!  Thanks Tim P. </blockquote> RE: Blueprinting terms -- Tim P., 02/02/2004
Royce Still Curious on your input about Bronz Valve Guides! Thanks Tim P.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20018&Reply=19963><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Guides</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>02/02/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I think most people will agree that bronze guides are the best for performance use. I don't know of any problems associated with them. Any guide not reamed to the correct clearance if too tight will cause a valve to stick. Conversely if it is too loose excessive oil consumption results. Another result of loose guides will be a loss of vacuum. Attention to detail.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> Guides -- Royce, 02/02/2004
I think most people will agree that bronze guides are the best for performance use. I don't know of any problems associated with them. Any guide not reamed to the correct clearance if too tight will cause a valve to stick. Conversely if it is too loose excessive oil consumption results. Another result of loose guides will be a loss of vacuum. Attention to detail.

Royce
 RE: Guides -- Tim P., 02/03/2004
Royce Thanks Again for your input the guy that did my heads said that bronze guides suck so i let him install steel ones i took his word assuming he knows what hes talkin about however I've notice lately that most that most perf. head shops use bronze guides so Im assuming that there is some merit in that type of guide, I belive that the next set will have bronze guides Thanks again Tim P.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19961&Reply=19961><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>FPA Tri-Y's</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>dalorzo_f, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Looking at the FPA site they offer chrome and ceramic coated headers.  What benefits does one get for the significant additional cost of the ceramic coating? </blockquote> FPA Tri-Y's -- dalorzo_f, 01/31/2004
Looking at the FPA site they offer chrome and ceramic coated headers. What benefits does one get for the significant additional cost of the ceramic coating?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19966&Reply=19961><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Keeps the engine bay cooler.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I don't know about chrome headers.  I don't think they'd ofrer much value, except as a "show" option.<br><br>Ceramic supposedly keeps the engine area a little bit cooler.  Since header fit in an FE car can be tough, you may want to realize a few dents might be needed to properly fit the headers, and this might be frustrating to do to ceramic headers, since it sorta screws up the looks of the finish.<br><br>FPA makes a great heder for the FE.  The Tri-Y design generally fits better and easier than any other.  FPA also understands the port mach issues of hte FE, so be sure to tell them the head casting number of your heads before you buy (most often located between the center spark plugs).<br><br>If you don't think you need ceramic, you probably don't.  It's so much more fun to drive a lower-cost rig than an extra expensive one, that I'm inclined to dig the cheap black painted version most.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> Keeps the engine bay cooler. -- Dave Shoe, 01/31/2004
I don't know about chrome headers. I don't think they'd ofrer much value, except as a "show" option.

Ceramic supposedly keeps the engine area a little bit cooler. Since header fit in an FE car can be tough, you may want to realize a few dents might be needed to properly fit the headers, and this might be frustrating to do to ceramic headers, since it sorta screws up the looks of the finish.

FPA makes a great heder for the FE. The Tri-Y design generally fits better and easier than any other. FPA also understands the port mach issues of hte FE, so be sure to tell them the head casting number of your heads before you buy (most often located between the center spark plugs).

If you don't think you need ceramic, you probably don't. It's so much more fun to drive a lower-cost rig than an extra expensive one, that I'm inclined to dig the cheap black painted version most.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19970&Reply=19961><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Keeps the engine bay cooler.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brian Crisman, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've had the ceramic coated FPA's on my '67 Cougar (390) for about 4 yrs and they still look like new. There is less heat radiating into the passenger compartment than before they were installed so I guess they help the underhood temps some. The fit and portmatch was excellent. I don't regret getting the coating but I had fallen into some extra cash at the time and I don't know if I would cough up the dough for it now.  </blockquote> RE: Keeps the engine bay cooler. -- Brian Crisman, 01/31/2004
I've had the ceramic coated FPA's on my '67 Cougar (390) for about 4 yrs and they still look like new. There is less heat radiating into the passenger compartment than before they were installed so I guess they help the underhood temps some. The fit and portmatch was excellent. I don't regret getting the coating but I had fallen into some extra cash at the time and I don't know if I would cough up the dough for it now.
 ...and thanks for the info guys! n/m -- dalorzo_f, 01/31/2004
n/m
 Chrome is thier "standard", HPC an option... n/m -- dalorzo_f, 01/31/2004
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19957&Reply=19957><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Thermactor tubes for 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>BK, <i>01/30/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>My 428 was missing the thermactor system when purchased.  I Just received new thermactor tubes and ferrels.  Is there anything special I should know before I install them?  Having never seen a "removed tube" I would like some guidance on how to install.<br><br>Thanks in advance for your help.<br><br>BK </blockquote> Thermactor tubes for 428 -- BK, 01/30/2004
My 428 was missing the thermactor system when purchased. I Just received new thermactor tubes and ferrels. Is there anything special I should know before I install them? Having never seen a "removed tube" I would like some guidance on how to install.

Thanks in advance for your help.

BK
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19958&Reply=19957><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Did you also get the cone-shaped 'seat' inserts? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>01/31/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Did you also get the cone-shaped 'seat' inserts? [n/m] -- Mr F, 01/31/2004
n/m
 RE: Did you also get the cone-shaped 'seat' inserts? [n/m] -- BK, 01/31/2004
Yes. Not sure if I should use any sealers or ?? Looks like they are compression type fittings but the tube hits a lip on the inside of the ferrule.

BK
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