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| Dave, was that Tri-Power.... -- kevin, 09/14/2002
a flat intake as it looks in the pics? It sure would be sweet to try it out, and I see it's been run. Was there any date code or part #? John is the host with the most. Did you see the air cooled flat-head V-8? How about any credits for Henry LeLand around the museum? |
| | Here's a peek at the bottom. -- Dave Shoe, 09/14/2002
Since the top has carbs, logs, and linkage attached the top view may not offer as much detail as the bottom view.
Hopefully you'll be better able to compare the bottom of this intake with that of a regular Tri-Power.
Now that you mention it, the top view does apparently show the carbs sit level to the runners and are not tilted up in the rear. The front carb bolts are approximately in the regular spot, but the rears appear to be maybe an inch lower than normal - sorta like if you milled an inch off the rear of the carb flange of the intake.
Here's the bottom view.
Shoe.
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| | | | Thanks Dave.... -- kevin, 09/15/2002
I suspected it was for a T-Bird. I cant tell if it has a power brake booster bung on the drivers center carb base. That fuel log almost looks like it was forced on there from a regular one, or was homemade judging by the "S" curve of the hoses, and the closeness of them. The linkage looks different too, but I cant really tell. It is one of the rarest manifolds I have ever seen, like the gear driven trap door Tunnel Port box ram. I can only wonder how much milage I could pull out of that sucker on a 332. He didnt mention if it was for sale now by any chance? |
| | | | | Rare intakes were on the same shelf with common. -- Dave Shoe, 09/15/2002
John was not trying to sell me anything while I was there, but he does run a business.
To be sure, the unusual Tri-Power manifold was on the same shelf as other manifolds which were for sale.
I did not get any impression that he is out to skewer the Ford enthusiast (quite the opposite, based on stories I've heard), but if the intake was cheap, it would have sold long before I showed up with my camera.
I do believe that if you contact Total Performance about it, you'll find the call was worthwhile, whether the price works or not.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | Do they have a website? A search found nothing.nm -- Styletone58, 09/15/2002
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| | | | | | | I don't think so. -- Dave Shoe, 09/15/2002
Total Performance is located in the Northern 'burbs of Detroit. I'm not aware of a website.
The email address which Get's to John Vermeersch every time is: totalperformance@ameritech.net
Other info: 313-845-7595 (8AM - 11PM, M-F) 586-468-3710 (8AM - 11PM, M-F with voicemail) 586-468-7434 (fax)
Total Performance no longer has a showroom, so I should maybe learn whether they have a mailorder catalog.
John remains a Ford employee of high calibre. As I understand it, he has a telephone team of maybe 30 people which is "answer central" for all Ford technical and performance questions. During my visit he was kept busy by four Ford caravans which were transporting Ford cars and parts across various parts the country, probably for shows or races.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | | | Rare Tri-Power Set-up -- Travis Miller, 09/15/2002
Dave, I saw that 3x2 intake set-up while visiting John's place back in 1987. The part that intrigued me was the two end carbs were vacuum operated much in the fashion of a Holley 4-barrel. John and I theorized that the vacuum chambers were too small to work properly and consistently. If you think about it, the tri-power set ups on the 440 Mopar and the 427 Corvette which were developed later use the much larger vacuum chambers. This early 3x2 set up was designed before those larger vacuum chambers were developed by Holley. By the way, the large vacuum chamber was also used on the Holley 950 3-barrel carb. |
| How Do Surge Tanks Work -- Darren, 09/14/2002
I went to a local Junk Yard looking for some parts and came across a 2 metal surge tanks in the trunk of a Lincon. 1 had a GM sticker on it but the other didn't. Since it was only $4 I bought it but my question is how do I use it. I say a picture of a 427 with it attached to the Intake. But It looks like they use the engine for a boat. So how do I hook it up and does it have to be for a FE in order for it to work. Thanks. |
| help i need shell lifters & long pushrods -- jr, 09/14/2002
to go in my 428 t.bird engine please help |
| | RE: help can someone help me please! -- jr, 09/14/2002
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| | | You might also try this place over here. -- Dave Shoe, 09/14/2002
If nobody has answers here, you might try www.FordFE.com.
Good luck.
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| | RE: help i need shell lifters & long pushrods -- cougargt, 09/17/2002
i can set you up with lifters, push rods should be available from crane i think. drop me an e-mail and i will send you phone # and we can talk if you are in the U.S. |
| Power Brake Boosters. -- James Dodson, 09/14/2002
Which one of the power brake booster choices would be correct for a 69 Mustang with a 428 CJ in it. There are 2 kinds, a Midland and one made by Bendix. The one that is on my car has a metal strap around it holding the two halfs of the canister together. I am told this is called the Bendix one. I think that it doesn't belong on my car since my car came with hub brakes all the way around. I have never heard of a power hub brake Mustang before, especially not a 69 Mach1 with a 428 in it. My car was made on December 21, 1968 at the San Jose plant. Can anyone help me out here? |
| | both brake boosters are correct for 69.... -- hawkrod, 09/14/2002
and power drum brakes is an option. i might point out that disc brakes were a mandatory option with the 428 & Gt suspension but ford let you delete it and many racers did because they believed it caused more drag at the wheel. hawkrod |
| | Do you have a BC ('build') sheet? ID tag on booster? [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/15/2002
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| | RE: Power Brake Boosters. -- Gerry Proctor, 09/15/2002
I can't tell you whether the Midland or the Bendix is factory correct for your car but I can tell you that the booster you describe is a Midland.
And I believe that disc brakes would have been optional up until 1970 on the unibody cars. |
| | | Yes! I happen to have bothe Tag and Build Sheet. -- James, 09/15/2002
The build sheet does not indicate one way or the other from what I can see. It has a "A" in the brake linings catagory which, I have gathered from talking to other Cobra Jet owners, usually means that is came with "hub brakes". Everyone of the folks that I talked to with Power disc has a number here rather than a letter. I can make a scan of it and post it for the wiser heads to decifer with me. I will do that as soon as I figure out how. Whitch will be by the end of the week.
The Tag on the booster is C 4 2 6 2 F with a 6 0 V above the C4 part of the part number. Furthermore, the "V" is upside down. Beside the 60V is a P/R. |
| | | | Appears to be the M-R DLR kit, as mentioned before. Cool. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/15/2002
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| | | | James, might I beg a clear photocopy of that BC sheet? :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/15/2002
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| FE Club of America -- Rich, 09/14/2002
I am going to the Mason-Dixon Dragway on October 5, mainly for the FE shootout. I know this is put on by the FE Club. However, it appears that the clubs website has disappeared. Does any one have any info on what happened to the club ? or if the shootout will still take place? |
| CJ heads on a 390 -- MIKE HOWARD, 09/13/2002
What is involved in putting 428 cj heads onto a 390 that is bored 30 over? I have heard you have to notch the block bores. Thanks Mike. |
| | No notching required -- Royce Peterson, 09/13/2002
They bolt on with no problems. Valve to bore clearance is not an issue. Exhaust bolt pattern is different, GT exhast manifolds won't fit. You have to use either CJ manifolds or headers. That's the big problem, the small problem is that you lose about 1 point of compression due to the bigger combustion chambers. This may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your engine.
Royce Peterson
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| 390's and 428's -- Travis, 09/12/2002
What are the differences between a mustang 390 and other 390's? Is there one? What is the difference between a 390 and 428 besides the bore and stroke? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks |
| | RE: 390's and 428's -- Dave Shoe, 09/12/2002
The 390 station wagon motor is the same as a 428 station wagon motor, with exception of the crank stroke (same type of nodular iron is used in both cranks), the flexplate balance, the piston size (both are cast autothermic), and the cylinder jacket and barrel sand cores stuffed into the block mold.
The Mustang 390 is the same as a Fairlane 390. Most seem to be 390GT engines (1966-68 Fairlane, 1967-68 Mustang), some are 390IP engines (1969 Fairlane/Mustang), others are 390P-2V (1968ish Mustang/Fairlane), and 390-2V (Fairlane). The non-GT and non-IP versions are about the same as the Galaxie version, except they must use the exhaust manifolds designed for the cranped Fairlane and Mustang engine bays in stead of the log exhaust manifolds of the Galaxie. This requires that exhaust bolts be located differently between the full-sized and the smaller cars.
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| 63 Galaxie lightweight -- Greg, 09/12/2002
Considering purchasing a 63 Galaxie lightweight.Car is complete, very solid with only 14,000 original miles needing restoration but is missing the original motor.Guy with car for sale has the 427 parts to put a 427 dual 4V together to go with the car.I have checked the #'s and it is a original lightweight.Car is corinthian white but I can see a mustard yellow under white paint where it is chipped.Owner tells me there were 3 mustard yellow lightweights(highrisers) in 63 for Ford racing and one of them burned up.He got pair of 63 highriser heads with car when he bought it and tells me he thinks it may be one of the 3 but it does not have highriser hood.What would value of this car be in this condition with non original motor??Also,does anyone know about the 3 mustard color cars he is talking about and anyway to identify them if they exist??I know it is hard to put value on car without seeing it but any help is appreciated.Thanks. |
| | Does it have the "Wedge" engineering bellhousing? -- kevin, 09/14/2002
to go with it like the originals had? Are the seats Bostrom's? C-3 intake? Are the rods different looking, have a flywheel looking bolt? Are the pistons "BJ's"? The cam a "K" stamping? Are the carbs there, with blocks on both ends? Stewart Warner fuel pumps? Too bad I junked a hood 30 years ago (no comments please). I have pics of the yellow cars, but dont remember who's they were. I think maybe Wickersham's was. As far as value, I cant say, but maybe Greg Donahue could. |
| 428 CJ firing order & distributor question -- Alex, 09/12/2002
I have just replaced the plugs, wires and distributor cap on my 69 CJ Mustang. I followed the directions in my 1969 Ford manuel and installed everything the way it said to, but my car won't fire. It'll crank all day, but that's it. I'm wondering if I'm looking at the distributor wrong and have the plugs in the wrong order but I don't think I do. Can anyone tell me what you think it may be?
Thanks, Alex |
| can I make a 352 a 390 -- Jason Stein, 09/12/2002
My question is simple. I have a 1966 ford galaxie with a 352cid. I would like a 390. Can I convert my engine or shouls I just go build a 390 from a block. Also, how can I tell the difference from a 352 and a 390? I appreciate the help! Thanks |
| | Easy conversion. -- Dave Shoe, 09/12/2002
The 352 generally bores to 390 specs without issue. You may want to sonic map the cylinders to be sure there are no core shift problems.
My present suspicion is the 352 and 390 both got the same cylinder jacket sand cores and only the barrel (bore) sand cores were sized differently.
390 crank, rods, and pistons will be all the parts ya need. Be careful not to use 390 pickup truck pistons, as they are now more common at the parts store and they have a low 8.5:1 compression ratio.
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| | maybe a 410? -- GCF, 09/14/2002
Just out of curiousity. Couldn't a 352 be bored and stroked into a 410? (390 bore and 428 crank) Be a good motor for a heavy car if it were possible. |
| | | RE: maybe a 410? -- Darren, 09/14/2002
352 can be bored to a 390 with no problem, which is the same bore of a 410. As Far as 428. You need an older block which had strong metal and have it magnaflex and sonic tested. Then you have to think about the amount of matrial you removed and see how you feel about that. |
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