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| Recipe for easy 400 hp from 67 390? -- dennie, 09/03/2002
I have an H code 390 in my 67 caliente, it is standard bore, i would like to rebuild this winter and achieve around 400 or so hp. I have an elderbrock performer intake that came with a 600 cfm carb not on car yet. Can you all suggest a recipe from readily available parts, will i need serious head work, also headers for my car are virtually non-existant as i have p.s. so i'll stay with manifolds for now i have manual brakes so vac is not a problem, also a semi radical idle is ok as i drive it on weekends and sunny days only thanks |
| 427 vaue -- Greg, 09/03/2002
Came across a 1964 427 single 4V motor.Motor is together ,complete with distributor but is missing carb and exhaust manifolds.Needs rebuilding as has been sitting for years but is not seized.I was told it is std bore but have not checked it.Any idea on the value of this motor in this condition.Thanks. |
| C0ae-d heads -- BEAR, 09/03/2002
looking for a set of C0AE-D heads. I believe that is the number for the small chamber 352 HP head. If any one has a set they are wanting to sell or trade. Trying to build a flat top piston 13.1 motor. |
| 1968 427 f. E. ?. -- Ron D. Maxwell, 09/03/2002
Just got my hands on what looks to be a 1968 427 F.E. it ran; sort of, disassembled it and found blown up lifter, broken push rod, 3.5 flat lobes on cam, center three cam bearings showing major wear and I'm as happy as I can be, But I need some help/advice. It has two bolt mains, hyd cam, could not find any casting no.s on the block. heads have D2TEAA. Bore and stroke match my repair manual specs. Can anyone tell me anything about the heads? Or where to find id numbers on the block? Thanks. |
| | RE: 1968 427 f. E. ?. -- Bob Sprowl, 09/03/2002
Ford didn't put casting numbers on every block from '68 to '71. Look under the oil fliter adapter pad for a casting date.
D2TE heads were used on pick up trucks. Not a bad head. |
| | | RE: 1968 427 f. E. ?. -- Ron D. Maxwell, 09/04/2002
Thanks Bob. Found it but got side tracked and didn't get the short block on the engine stand today and couldn't quite see it. Didn't want to risk any damage to the crank rods or pistons so final tear down will probably be tommorrow. Would probably be asking too much for a forged crank, you think? |
| | | | RE: 1968 427 f. E. ?. -- Ron D. Maxwell, 09/04/2002
Up-date: crank = C3AE-E 1807 D Block = E1 9A9 Rods = C7AE-B A507 T S Pistons = C3AE6110B Any info/comments deeply appreciated! |
| | | | | Hmmm...my info sez... -- Dan Davis, 09/04/2002
...that a C3AE-E crank was production in a 390 from 11/1/62 (T-Bird from 11/10/62). Yes, 390 & 427 share the same stroke, so maybe this means nothing.
The C7AE-B rods are nearly the same as the C6AE-D rods, which were used in late 427s and 428CJ/PI with 13/32 bolts. NOT the capscrew "LeMans" rods.
I do not have a listing for engineering numbers on pistons, but C3AZ-M and C3AZ-W are service part numbers for an early 427 piston. Maybe a clue, maybe not.
The block ID of 9A9 is a casting date code likely of January 9, 1969 (*maybe* 1959 or 1979). E1 I do not know.
I think you already know that the D2TE heads are NOT 427, but 1972 emission-style truck heads.
Hope this helps, Dan |
| | | | | | RE: Hmmm...my info sez... -- Ron D. Maxwell, 09/05/2002
Thanks for the feedback, Dan and yes, thanks to Bob, I know about the heads. I have another set, different number, that came off a bal. and blueprinted 390( set up for marine application) that have been ported (substancially more than the D2TE heads), they also have been recently reconditioned and have slightly larger valves. (Forgot to write down there numbers, but I think they are 6080's). p.s. I've been a Ford nut for Too Long to remember and I just wanted to thank Everyone for their help and Knowledge on this site. |
| | | | | You sure? I show 'C3AE-B' as a 289 part. [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/05/2002
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| | | | | | RE: You sure? I show 'C3AE-B' as a 289 part. [n/m] -- Ron D. Maxwell, 09/05/2002
Mr. F: not sure which number you're refering to, but I just went and double checked all the numbers I listed and what I originally posted are correct for the parts as listed. Would you please let me know which part you're refering to? |
| | | | | | | The cast ID number you cited for a piston. [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/05/2002
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| 390 gt manifold and 428cj manifold -- curt, 09/02/2002
what is the difference or is there? |
| | 428 CJ is basically cast iron hi rise manifold.... -- hawkrod, 09/02/2002
has better flow, bigger ports etc... is pretty much identical to a Pi aluminum intake or edelbrock F427. GT 390 does not have special manifold and simply uses the one as fullsize ford products. hawkrod |
| | RE: 390 gt manifold and 428cj manifold -- Tim Johnson, 09/04/2002
The GT390 intake, first used in 1966, has slightly higher runners than the stock 4bbl intake. They are identified by a large "S" cast into the #1 runner.
Place an "S" code intake next to a standard 4bbl intake and you'll see the difference.
Use of the "S" code GT intake and the same cam as was later used in the 428CJ moved the peak torque up from the standard 390 4bbl engine rating @ 2800 rpm to 3200. It also added 15 hp to the advertised rating over the standard 390 4bbl.
The 428CJ intake has bigger runners and the barrel holes are bigger than the GT's. The CJ parts were designed for mid to high rpm performance whereas the GT components were developed to give the 390 a little more street "umph".
The GT intake was desgined to be used with a 600 cfm carb while the CJ was designed to be used with the 730 cfm CJ carb.
I'm writing this of the top of my head so forgive me if my painpill soaked brain has gotten some wires crossed!
TJ |
| C6ae u heads -- curt, 09/02/2002
THE HEADS ON MY CAR ARE C6AE U. I have not seen any reference to these heads can you help me with these heads?
curt |
| | RE: C6ae u heads -- Bob Sprowl, 09/03/2002
Just a plain jane late '66 head used on 390 - 410s. |
| | RE: C6ae u heads -- Tim Johnson, 09/04/2002
According to the information available to me, the C6AE-U head was/is used on some Mercury 4bbl engines and the 2bbl premium fuel 390.
The intake ports are short and the exhaust ports are the low type.
Interestingly enough though, it has one of the smallest advertised combustion chamber volumes of any regular production FE head. About 67cc's if memory serves me right.
That makes it a desirable piece to get maximum compression for competition, where factory stock parts are required.
I have reservations about it's utility for any other use than as an inexpensive competition part.
Hope this helps!
TJ |
| | | Advertised vs real world -- Travis Miller, 09/05/2002
I just poured the combustion chamber on a C6AE-U head that I removed from a 1966 Galaxie with the original 390 2-barrel engine. Without cleaning any carbon from the chamber, it poured 78.0 cc's. That means it could have read as much as 79 or more if the heads had been cleaned. So much for Ford's advertised engine specs.
I have almost always found that the specs Ford gives on combustion chambers are nowhere near as large as the cc's on heads that actually come off of original engines. Use the Ford specs if you want to for reference but be sure to actually measure the cc's before putting an engine together if you are looking for actual compression ratios. You will be surprised how far off the numbers actually are. |
| | | | RE: Advertised vs real world -- Tim Johnson, 09/06/2002
Good advice! I "cc" every head that I use on an engine.
The local NAPA machinest can tell some horror storys about how far off parts (from all manufacturers) can be from published specs.
One set that I am using on one of my engines has published specs of 72-75 cc's. The chambers measured, by graduated syringe and plexiglass covered chambers were 77-78 cc's.
I've got 11 different FE heads in my collection. I'll go out later today and dig out the set of C6AE-U's, that I have, and cc them.
It'll be interesting to see how the two sets compare.
Have a great day everyone!
TJ |
| what are the major differences -- curt, 09/02/2002
I inherated a car from my grandfather, he was a ford mechanic. the fairlane that he bought in 66 had the 390 in it, but then he swaped it for a 428- non cj, I know the head ports are not quite as big and the block iron was not quite as good but he has run the car for many years with little problem. I was just wondering what some of the other differences between the to motors were. i am having a @#%$ of a time finding out anything on the non CJ 428 motor. Thanks for help |
| | RE: what are the major differences -- Bob Sprowl, 09/02/2002
You've stated some of the differences. They are: 1) valve sizes and intake port opening size; 2) camshaft lift and duration and the valve springs; and 3) exhaust manifolds.
Piston differences are more related to endurance than power output as are the block differences depending on the year but in any case these are minor;.
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| tri-power plumbing question -- George, 09/02/2002
It's me again, with the same question. But now I have a picture to refer to! the question is: There are two holes on the back of this intake. It is intended for use in a 67 Fairlane GT/A convertible (1 of 2112!). It has power brakes. So we just need to nail down how these two holes need to be plumbed. When I asked before, my thoery was confirmed: The smaller hole (a) on the upright of the carb riser gets routed down to the larger hole (b), then the larger hole supplies the vacuum for the booster. There is no filler neck hole on the front of this manifold, so the valve cover breather acts as a crankcase vent. If this IS true, now that you see it, where do I find those fittings to make this dream a reality? Additionally, I would think that the one rubber-grometted valve cover hole (c) gets plugged? You can see that it's a "stock" tri-power setup. Sorry about the redundancy, but it is time to be 100%.
Cheers George P.S. Write me to get my list of parts that are for sale for the following vehicles: 60-67 Falcons, 65/66/67 Fairlanes, 65 Comets/Cyclones. It's not a big list, I just need to clear garage space. A lot of just regular parts, but some rare and great things.
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| | RE: tri-power plumbing question -- joe schepker, 09/02/2002
the smaller hole is a vacuum source and the larger one is for a road draft tube. on my fairlane, i made a plate from aluminum and blocked off the big one then found a vacuum tee from a mid 70's ford car that had a few smaller ports for the auto trans and one big one for the power brakes. i do have the factory plate that bolts over the big hole that came off of mine. it has a hole in the center with a grommet and the pcv in it and attached to the top of it is a small curved steel tube that screws into the small hole above it. below the plate sits the "basket", or wire filter and i have that also. if you're interested, i might sell it. email me. i no longer have my tripower, so it's not much use to me. good luck, joe |
| | finally an easy one! -- hawkrod, 09/02/2002
on an original tri-power you have a filler tube on the front of the intake so the valve covers have no holes (remember FE tripowers were only stock until 63). in the large hole in the bottom of the manifold there should be a metal basket that holds a piece of aluminum wadding and then a plate with a nipple sits on top of that. on mine the hole in the back of the manifold has a small brass fitting with about a 45 angle and the PCV screws directly into it (just like an 8V). then there are two short pieces of rubber hose and a J shaped metal tube to connect the PCV to the nipple on the manifold plate. the manifold parts are available on ebay all the time and i assume there are several suppliers (Mr. F?). the brass fitting is a little tougher but is the same as a mid 60's 6 cylinder or Y block fitting as is the PCV the correct part as called for in the parts book may be tougher yet to find. the hard part for me was a correct original J tube but i even found an NOS one of those. as far as power brakes go i am at a loss for a full size cars as the ford illustrations do not show it but on tbirds there is a seperate vacuum port under the center carb. the parts book picture shows a different fitting for the PCV on the tripower than on the 8V but mine isn't (i have a Tbird)and on a galaxie type intake i don't think there is a place to mount it as shown. here is a pic from the parts book. hawkrod [Image deleted by Admin.] |
| | | RE: finally an easy one! -- George, 11/05/2002
Kawkrod- Yes, I do remember getting this great response from you before! I guess i just got too lazy to go back through all the archives to find it again (I need a printer...). BUT, the problem remains: This is an Edelbrock intake, without the filler tube in the front. I'm sure that the tube acted as a vent of sorts. Of course, Chris will be running the valve covers with vented PCV, running to the intake, as you have outlined, but the power brake booster vacuum feed is still in question. Maybe that upper hole on the carb riser wall goes to the booster? I don't know if there's a fitting/hole under the middle carb - going to the garage now and will look. I will look forward to a further responses when I get home tonight. See? It's NOT so easy, is it? Cheers, George |
| Any word on an fe crate engine from raush? -- dennie, 08/31/2002
Also interested in the c-6 overdrive tranny i read about last year. |
| FE Shootout -- Rich, 08/31/2002
There is a scheduled FE Shootout on October 15 at the mason-Dixon Dragway in Maryland. I would like to make it but cannot find any info on the strip. Is anyone familiar with where this strip is? THANKS. |
| | RE: FE Shootout -- dragpackdale, 08/31/2002
near hagerstown md.,301-791-5193,www.masondixondragway.com |
| | | RE: FE Shootout -- Rich, 09/01/2002
Thank you for the info!! |
| | RE: FE Shootout -- Rich, 09/01/2002
Thanks for the info. I just booked a room out there for the weekend-----meet is on the 5th not the 15th!! |
| | | RE: FE Shootout -- Dallas Fridley, 09/02/2002
Where are you getting the room and how much is it. I think we are going to come from OH. Went to the Ford Expo in Columbus OH and had a great time. I want to apologize to anyone there on Sunday. Our car blew a transmission cooler line (the Ranchero) and held up the show for about an hour I guess. Sorry again, but the driver had no clue he had lost anything. The car still ran through the qtr mile. It swerved a little and he looked at oil pressure but everything seemed fine.
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| | | | RE: FE Shootout -- Rich, 09/06/2002
Click on the following link. I am staying at the top location, Days Inn at Hagerstown.
www.masondixondragway.com/JR_Hotels.htm |
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