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| Porto-sonic -- BEAR, 07/10/2002
Does any one have pictures of the portosonic thay could post so that I can see its features. Is it tall, Flat, Medium. And what is it's power range.
Thanks
BEAR |
| | top pic -- Barry B, 07/10/2002
All I can offer are the pics, have no info on it.
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| | | | RE: bottom pic -- BEAR, 07/10/2002
Thanks Barry I was wondering how tall it is A little concerned on hood clearance |
| | | | | hood clearance -- Barry B, 07/10/2002
BEAR, I'd say it's a highrise manifold and you're right to be concerned about hood clearance. It's more of a strip than street manifold but it sure goes good. If I remember right the rpm range is 4 to 8 grand. Fordmuscle.com put one on their project FE.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/04/projectfe/index.shtml |
| | | | | | RE: hood clearance -- BEAR, 07/10/2002
Thanks again if anyone else has some more info this would be greatly appreciated. By the way the 390 motor will be going into a 1983 5.0. |
| | | | | | | RE: hood clearance -- SDP, 07/11/2002
Bear, we used the Offy on a 390 in a 68 Cougar with no hood clearance problems to speak of. If a 1" carb spacer was to be used, the air cleaner would just touch the hood. The PortOSonic was a very versitle intake in my experience. It didn't really start to work until 3000rpm or so, but still a decent 'street' intake. |
| | | | | | | | RE: hood clearance -- BEAR, 07/11/2002
Thanks again for all the feedback.
bear. |
| | | | | | | | Thanks SDP -- Barry B, 07/11/2002
Last time I tried to guess on a manifold question I really lead a guy astray so now I try to err on the side of caution. |
| 352 rebuild -- Jesse, 07/10/2002
around how much does it cost to turn a 352 into a 390 and make it run like a raped ape ? any proven parts combos ? |
| | RE: 2 390's for $350 ea -- david thayer, 07/10/2002
I guarantee it would cost more than $350 and there are two 390's for sale at Square Deal Auot salvage in Tulsa, Ok for $350 ea.
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| Need Rad Cap info to use with overflow tank -- 68Fairlane390, 07/09/2002
My radiator originally didn't have an overflow tank, just a hose running down the side and draining to the ground.
I've installed an overflow tank, but basic thing is, how do I get the coolant back from the tank into the radiator.
I've got a hose coming from under the current radiator cap going to the overflow, and another hose coming out of the overflow going back to the ground. So what's the point?
Is there a cap or adapter that would let me attach the return hose from the overflow tank back to the radiator. I vaguely remember something about either a weak-springed cap or two-step cap.
Any help with this?
Thank you |
| tri-power intake manifold -- Al, 07/09/2002
Does anyone have the part number of the tri-power intake manifold that was used on 390's in the 60's vintage T-birds? It was different than the ones for the other big Fords in that it had level mounting pads instead of stepped mounting pads. I think this was due to hood clearance, but not sure that was the only reason. |
| | | RE: All T-Bird '6v' parts are marked 'C2SE-' etc.... -- al, 07/09/2002
Does that mean that the ones used on the non-TBirds did not have C2SE- numbers? I've got a 65 Tbird (390) and want to be sure I can identify it when I go see the one that I heard is for sale. |
| | | | | RE: The answer's yes. And ours is for sale, too... -- Al, 07/10/2002
Thanks! The one I was going to look at is the manifold only and I would still have to find the rest of the parts. Is yours a complete setup? Will it fit under the hood of a 65 Tbird ragtop? What else can you tell me about it? (condition, etc.)I'm just starting the buildup of an extra 65 390 I found for the car. Its bored .040 over and I'm going to use a 390 GT cam. Everything else is stock except for the hardened valve seats. I just want this car as a cruiser with a bit more punch and good reliability. Its now running with the stock 390/Cruise-O-matic. Is the linkage on your tripower setup compatible with the COM? I can stay with the stock 4V & manifold setup if there are too many problems in changing over but when I heard of the tri power manifold for sale, I thought it was worth looking into. |
| | | | | | RE: Mr F -- Have you sold the tripower setup? -- Al, 07/12/2002
I'm still interested. Is it a complete setup? See previous note questions too. |
| 390GT performance help -- Scott, 07/09/2002
I would like to add about 50 or so horses and comparable torque for my 67 mustang. I have the heads on the car(c6ae-u) as well as a set of c8ae-h castings my dad has. I am also considering the Edelbrocks. Should I modify the GT heads for power or add the C8ae-h as a better upgrade and also keep my originals unmolested? I think the 8e's have bosses but are not drilled for the factory manifolds. I have a 428PI intake also, and am strongly considering a set of the 428CJ manifolds to improve the breathing. My main goal is to have a car with 350-400 horses that appears stock for the occasional show. What do you guys recommend? How about roller rockers and forged pistons? Necessary or desirable at this level? Thanks! |
| old PSE? oil passage modification for center oiler -- Robert, 07/09/2002
Aloha again, A couple months ago a PSE oil passage modification kit came up on eBay. The kit allowed the purchaser to make a center oiler FE engine as good as a side oiler by apparently running an external line outside of the block and supplying oil to the mains. Is anyone familliar with such a modification, or know of any better solutions that will improve the longevity of a good center oiler? Can you outline a procedure to carry out such a modification? Mahalo, Robert |
| | RE: old PSE? oil passage modification for center oiler -- Robert, 07/12/2002
Tell me you still remember Pro-Stock Engineering (PSE) and their creative approaches to problen solving. Robert |
| | RE: PSE and oil system mods -- Kevin66, 07/12/2002
The only PSE setup I ever saw, may have been modified. It took its oil feed from the filter housing, and ran it through braided steel lines.
These threaded onto special cross-bolts in the main bearing caps. The bolts had hollow centers, to pipe the oil into the caps, which had also been drilled to carry the oil on in to the fully grooved bearings.
Because it represents the last stage of development, the 'pinnacle' if you will of FE factory hardware, people are enamoured with the side oiler blocks. This is fine, except that it drives prices through the roof, and ignores thousands of winning engines built before that idea came along.
Unless your center oiler is seeing 'severe' duty, it's not that likely it needs such extensive modifications. Ford's real interest in the side oiler emerged from things like the long Nascar races, and the GT-40/LeMans projects, where engines were run for hours on end at or near wide-open throttle.
Your best means of ensuring suitable oiling, is to have made the appropriate internal modifications to the oil passages in the block and filter housing, such as enlargening, aligning and blending where needed.
You should also ensure that oil flow to the heads is controlled via suitable restrictors, and that any passages to the lifter galleys are either blocked, or never reamed in the first place.
A pan holding seven to nine quarts is recommend, along with a large capacity pickup tube and HV/HP pump. Ensure that baffling in the pan keeps the oil where the pickup can find it. Use a windage tray to control aeration, and a scraper is a good idea too.
After having done all that, it won't be the oiling system that's the cause of any engine failure! |
| | | RE: PSE and oil system mods -- Bob, 07/12/2002
Well said Kevin. I agree completely. |
| | | RE: PSE and oil system mods -- Robert, 07/18/2002
Aloha, I'd like to get your (and anyone else's) recommendation on this one. I've got a 64 427 center-oiler with a 428 crank in it. I've got a new high-volume oil pump with a Boss 302 pickup on it for the larger tube size, I'm using a 428CJ windage tray, and a 428SCJ oil cooler and oil filter adapter with the passages opened up and blended to the enlarged block ports. I'm running Edelbrock aluminum heads and Erson roller rockers, so I don't think I'll need much oiling topside. I'm going to run a Crane mechanical cam with the shell lifters, so again I think I can restrict some oiling to that area as well. I may not be able to run a large pan (I have a couple), because the car has a dropped straight front axle and sits low, although If I can I will. My questions then are when do you recommend a high-volume high-pressure pump, and what method of restricting oil passages do you suggest and how do I communicate that to my engine builder? A big Mahalo (thanks) to all, Robert |
| | | | Well, since you have a 64 block -- kevin, 07/18/2002
you cannot restrict oil to the lifters since they were never drilled. Restricting oil to the heads will entail a hole (about .060) in a dowel put in the passage under the rocker stand passage. This engine features larger passages than other FE's, and does not need much other than matching the main saddles where the bearing hole sits. The factory runs a drill bit here, but it can be improved upon. I would be leary of a stock pan. When using one, weld in a diamond shaped box around the pick-up, (with slots or trap doors) and weld some tabs in three places on top of the pick up to break up the vortice that will form at speed (of the oil) and start sucking air. I ran Accusunp's with stock pans, and know it saved many an engine in claimer racing. Dual filters are a good idea if you have the room. Light weight synthetic oil is going to do a better job of returning to the pan. I have used 0-30 Mobil-1 in the summer, with plenty of pressure. The only area of concern in the block, is the rear relief spring can hang open if there is any contamination in the oil. Make darn sure you have the correct spring in there, and that the valve has no burrs on it or the passage. I have always built my own oil pans, and if you can, you should too. Some custom creativity may be needed, but its worth it. If not a T-pan, then maybe a triangular one will fit. I saw one guy who had no clearance, take two oil filter cannisters and weld them to the sump for two extra quarts capacity, ugly, but effective. Be sure to run the oil pump for a while with a drill while you turn the engine over by hand to ensure oiling at the rockers before fire up. Six quarts will be needed if you do not increase the pan size. Good luck, and keep it clean. |
| | | | | RE: Well, since you have a 64 block -- Robert, 07/19/2002
Aloha Kevin, and thanks for the informative reply. I can now discuss this with my engine builder and plan from there. Mahalo, Robert |
| | | | Better get it right if you're running the 1/4 mile -- P, 11/16/2003
First of all, I would NOT use a HP pump. The HV pump perhaps, but if you run the entire quarter mile at high rpm, you can fill the valve covers and potentially pump air to the main bearings. Therefore a larger oil sump is always a good idea, with baffles because under acceleration the oil is sloshed to the rear of the pan.
As for the side oiler feature, forget it. It's a total waste of money, especially the PSE kit. It was a waste of money when Ford did it. The only (only) reason a sideoiler even exists, it because an alternate way of oiling was required when they pulled out the block mounted camshaft and bolted on the SOHC heads. If it wasn't for the intent to go with the SOHC motor in NASCAR, the sideoiler would have never existed, because it simply was not necessary. Anyone boogering up a perfectly good topoiler trying to make a sideoiler is operating with what I would consider "poor grade information".
A 427 has no oiling deficiency other than the fact that you can drain the sump and pump air. As far as getting oil to the bearings, if you have it in the sump, you'll have it at the bearings.
That's my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions :-) It is, however, your car, your motor, and your money.
All the best,
P |
| | | RE: PSE and oil system mods -- Rick Lake, 11/15/2003
PSE I talk to The owner of PSE His oil pumps have 2 pickups from the pan. He said that it will flow 20-40% more oil than the HV-57 pump. He also makes these pumps in aluminium. Titan engineering make a pump for FE's now with different flow rates. from 36gpm to 65gpm. These pumps are rebuildable but are not cheap. About 600.00$ You have to measure your oil pan for the correct pickup. There pick up is square on the bottom and has twice the size inlet to the pump. It has a pressure control for it to. Hope this helps. Rick Lake |
| early 427 center-oiler in 66 Fairlane -- Robert, 07/09/2002
Aloha, I've asked this before, but wasn't able to check back to follow up on responses. I've got a 63 427 center-oiler stroker engine to go into a 66 Fairlane. The Fairlane came to me with an early 70s 360 truck engine in it, a stone that was seized prior to its introduction to a six foot pipe on a breaker bar. Anyhow, I've saved the frame mounts in the Fairlane (and have several from FE equipped Mustangs), and bought a set of early-style block insulators/mounts. I've heard that something on the mount needs to be modified to use the early engine, but don't know how or where the modification need to be done. Can anyone shed any info? If I am able to use the mounts unmodified, will the engine be set further back or forward, and by how much? Mahalo (Thanks), Robert |
| | Three Dead Cows at Makapuu. -- Dave Shoe, 07/09/2002
That's sorta my best effort at saying "Hello" in Hawaiian.
Actually, it's the only Hawaii 5-0 episode title I can remember off hand, and since it started off the show, it's an introduction, of sorts.
As for the engine mounts, the early block to late frame conversion is always a curiosity to me. I don't presently know of any easy ways to accomplish the task.
Just my two cents.
Shoe.
(I'll avoid any attempt to say "goodby" in Hawaiian) |
| | | RE: Three Dead Cows at Makapuu. -- Robert, 07/09/2002
Aloha Dave, Thanks for the input. Hopefully someone else has encountered this problem and come up with a simple and viable solution. By the way, your spelling of Makapuu is correct! So many people have problems with Hawaiian words, which is strange when you think about it. There are only 12 letters, the words are phonetic with one or two letters to the syllable, and always alternate between vowel and consonant unless they are double vowelled. Enough of the Hawaiian lesson. Thanks again, Robert |
| | | RE: Maybe someone makes an adapter - like 'Crites'? -- Robert, 07/12/2002
Thanks for the input, I'll give them a try. Any one else have anything to offer, I'll be listening. Robert |
| | | | RE: Maybe someone makes an adapter - like 'Crites'? -- joe schepker, 07/15/2002
i'm currently doing the same thing with my 66 GT fairlane using a 64 topoiler 427. a friend of mine is making me a pair of adapter plates that sandwhich between the rubber mount and block that allows the use of the other two holes that you need for the 66 but aren't there on the block. we are trying a few different things to keep them super thin for obvious reasons. they are machined to the exact shape of the rubber mount so they aren't seen. we just have to machine or drill a small indentation in the back of the rubber mount for clearence for one bolt head....i'll be doing this hopefully in the next few days, so i'll let you know how it works........joe |
| | | | | RE: Maybe someone makes an adapter - like 'Crites'? -- Robert, 07/15/2002
Aloha, Thanks for the reply. If it wouldn't inconvenience you too much, I'd like to ask if you could make up a second pair of adapters and sell them to me. I'd be very interested in knowing how well everything works out. Thanks, Robert |
| | | | | | RE: Maybe someone makes an adapter - like 'Crites'? -- joe schepker, 07/15/2002
no problem at all, we have been studying this area for some time now and i think i have it figured out. behind this plate that we are machining where the two missing holes are in the block, the plate will either be tapped for the holes, or where the pods are cast in the 65 and newer blocks there might be two nuts spotwelded behind it for the mount bolts. there is plenty of room for this as the pods aren't there on the pre-65 blocks. i should have it figured out this week, just email me and remind me........joe |
| | | | | | | RE: Maybe someone makes an adapter - like 'Crites'? -- Robert, 07/18/2002
Aloha, Thanks for the info. After doing more research, nobody seems to be making adapters now (if there indeed were any made before, by the likes of Transdapt, Hurst, or anyone else I don't know). Only parts available are for same-type specific FE in compatible chassis. Strange, considering the availability of early 352s and 390s in the mid-sixties. Perhaps we'll luck out yet. Robert |
| 11" clutch -- Charlie P, 07/08/2002
I'm helping a friend change his 67 351w car back to it's correct 390. The car has a nice 11" ram clutch set up w/ all most new clutch on the 351w. he wants to reuse with his 390 top loader 4 spd. It all seems to line up ok, clutch slides on tranny. Is there any reason he can't use this set up w/ the 390? Thanks |
| 390 gt -- john gessler, 07/08/2002
im have a 67 cougar with an s code 390. it has an auto trans. and a 3:50 posi 9'' gear. it runs good but from a dead stop it will not spin the tires at all. timing carb etc... all correct. could the stall in the torque converter cause this? the factory stall speed is 1700 rpm. everything is stock and rebuilt to factory specs and done right. any help would be appreciated. also can you fit headers on an s code in a 67 cougar? thanks, john |
| | The torque convertor is fine. -- Dave Shoe, 07/08/2002
You're just suffering from a lack of torque and horsepower.
Step one is to learn whether you have C6AE-R heads or other heads. If C6AE-R heads, then get some headers for a 428CJ from FPA, Hooker, or somewhere else. The casting number can be found between the center spark plugs, and sometimes the suffix letter can be found near the right-hand spark plug.
If you have C6AE-J, C6AE-L, C6AE-U, or another casting, only get FPA headers for 390GT engines.
An alternative is to get 428CJ cast iron exhaust manifolds for any head, but you might as well get headers and do it right. FPA is probably the better way to go, as they consume less engine bay space than Hookers and they breathe far better than CJ iron exhaust manifolds.
Note that the top front and top rear exhaust bolt holes in the head will need to be tweaked (repositioned) either at the head or the header flange, as 390 Fairlane/Mustangs got this hole lowered about 5/16" from the normal FE position to match up with the poor-breathing stock exhaust manifolds.
At this point you'll be able to squeal some tires.
Next step is to get an Edelbrock "Performer RPM" intake (cheap, new, well engineered), or else a "C8OE" 428CJ iron intake - if you can find one cheap.
This will make your car feel a lot like a 428CJ.
From here you can make some smaller changes, but they're not yet worth discussing, as you are presently "manifold-limited".
Make sure your timing chain is in good order, as the extra revving you'll be doing will stress the nylon toothed aluminum cam sprocket if it's more than five years old. Disregard if you have an iron cam gear.
The stock torque convertor will work better than any other convertor until you move into the wild-cam arena.
JMO, Shoe. |
| | | RE: The torque convertor is fine. -- john gessler, 07/09/2002
the heads are C6AEU .shouldnt this motor be running like a raped ape the way it is without the edelbrock mods?could it be carb? what cfm should it be? it looks like the original holley with ford part number on it.will headers make that much difference?thanks for your response it really helps to talk to someone who knows these motors. john |
| | | | I tried 390 Fairlane manifolds on my Cyclone CJ -- Dave Shoe, 07/10/2002
I once installed Fairlane 390 manifolds on my 1969 Cyclone CJ.
I removed a set of Cyclone brand headers ($89.00 a set at MAS two decades ago) and installed some 390 Fairlane exhaust manifolds and could not squeal the tires from a dead stop. The car previously ran like a raped ape with the headers. I quickly bought a new set of Cyclone headers (the other set was getting old).
Note that there is an extra port mismatch between the 390 Fairlane exhaust manifold and the 428CJ heads - such a mismatch that exhaust can sometimes leak out above the 390 manifold - but they are still the most restrictive FE manifold ever made for any vehicle (my opinion). Use them if you seek the stock appearance or a smooth quiet ride, but if you want performance you need to upgrade the exhaust manifolds. The rest of the exhaust system is fine.
Keep in mind: When you replace the intake and exhaust manifolds with CJ items, your engine will behave much like a 428CJ.
You will need FPA headers for the 390GT with those heads. CJ exhaust manifolds fit both high and low exit heads, but you'll need to redrill one hole to get them to work on the 390 engine.
Shoe. |
| 360 with 390 or 427 crank -- Lance, 07/08/2002
I have a 360 block that is bored 30 over. I am almost positive that a 390 crank will bolt right in but I was wondering if a 427 crank will fit and if so what would have to be done as far as rods and pistons. I guess I'm really asking about the size of the rod and main journals. thanks. |
| | RE: 360 with 390 or 427 crank -- Gerry Proctor, 07/08/2002
All FE cranks (except for the 427 NASCAR version) share the same rod and main journal diameters and widths so, in theory, any FE crank will go into any FE block (with the exception already noted). As a side note, the 390 and 427 share the same stroke so replacing a 390 crank with a 427 crank gets you nothing in the way of a displacement increase. The trouble begins when you start mixin' and matchin' parts. Oddball stroke and bore combinations can leave you with few alternatives other than expensive custom pistons. Now, fortunately, a 360 has a 4.05" bore...same as the 390 block. Which means that if you use 390 rods and crank, you can order off-the-shelf .030-over 390 pistons and end up with a 396. Unless you are building this as a high-rpm endurance engine or intend on aspirating the engine, you'd be dollars ahead by avoiding the 427 steel cranks. |
| | | RE: 360 with 390 or 427 crank -- Lance, 07/08/2002
Thanks for the info, I knew that the 390 and 360 shared the same stroke but I wasn't sure about the main journals and I definately didn't know about the extra $ for a 427 crank. |
| | | | RE: 360 with 390 or 427 crank -- P, 07/09/2002
As I understand it, the 427 came with two cranks.
Most of em came with the cast iron crank, similar to the 390. Only a few came with the steel crank. Therefore if you use a 390 crank, you essentially have a 427 crank, for all practical purposes.
P |
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