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 |  What does FE stand for? -- wiggy, 07/02/2002
I know I read somewhere about this I can't remember if FE actually stands for anything or not... |
|  | RE: What does FE stand for? -- BEAR, 07/02/2002
Don't go there |
| | | Use the search button and type FE ! -- pop428, 07/02/2002
Unfortunately this question has a long and devided answer ! Their are a row of button just above the text box, click the search feature and type in FE, you will get a lot of responses some not related to what you want but some will. It's probably quicker this way than going through the other alternative!! I'm lucky I have seen the result of such a question, I don't think the wounds have healed enough ;-)....
Peter
1969 Mach 1 428CjR.
WT 7034 Green. |
| | |  | incoming, get down....no its not friendly fire -- hawkrod, 07/02/2002
here we go again....LOL hawkrod |
| |  | RE: What does FE stand for? -- ackjl, 07/02/2002
fe is the chemical symbol for iron |
| | | I'm not one to throw fuel on the fire..... -- P, 07/02/2002
but there will most likely be a resurgence in the FE culture about this due to the article Jim Dove just published.
http://www.doveperformanceparts.com/images/InsightsIntoTheFordFE.htm
Perhaps some of us could prevail upon him (in a nice way, remember your Dale Carnegie training !!) to change this. Seems as though the title page may well detract from all the good stuff he is trying to do.
In any case, it is good to see Dove entering the internet.
Regards to all,
P
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| | | | is all that really true? -- mikeb, 07/03/2002
comparably equipped 352- 360 outperforms the Cleveland?
and outpowers BB chevy?
that would be great .
worst FE head is better than 69 4v windsor?
I know we are all fans of the FE here, but can a strong argument be made for it being the best of all time?
A lot of FE's were dogs, but they were made to be that way.
Perhaps it IS true, like Ford used to say, "apply a little wrench and they turn into hi performance winners at the circle tracks, drags, etc |
| | | | | 'Canadian" heads worth extra 80 HP? -- mikeb, 07/03/2002
Ford shoulda put them on all the CJ's then |
| | You guys are CRUEL!! -- Anthony, 07/02/2002
n/m |
| | | sorry but the wounds from the last firefight.... -- hawkrod, 07/02/2002
haven't healed yet. hawkrod |
| | RE: "Forever Entwined" in debate that is -- david thayer, 07/02/2002
Ford Edsel, Iron, you pick |
| | | Fairlane Engine -- Rob, 07/03/2002
Until some past FE engineer from Ford tells me otherwise, Ill stick to Jim Dove's thought of it being the Fairlane Engine, That guy amazed me with his knowledge on these great motors.
JMO
Rob |
| | |  | Please, Make it stop!! N/M -- pop428, 07/03/2002
n/m |
| | | | RE: Fairlane Engine -- Tom, 07/03/2002
im sure Jim Dove is Right but if its Fairlane why was it put in all ford from the 60's hmm? and why was it not First put in the Fairlane its Ford Edsel |
| | | | | RE: Fairlane Engine -- John Saxon, 07/03/2002
For all the guys that believe FE stands for fairlane engine keep in mind ford did not segregate models of the same car line.In 1958 Ford div. only produced two lines of passenger car ,Ford& Thunderbird, with many different models ie. custom,fairlane,skyliner,ranch wagon,but they all still fell into the same product line,Ford,later when the Falcon and Fairlane lines came out they also got seperate models, Falcon Futura, Fairlane 500,but they all still fell into their respective product lines ie.Ford ,Falcon, Fairlane,and the part numbering system Ford uses reflects that.In 1958 the 332&352 engines were not restricted to the Fairlane but were available in both lines of the Ford Div. cars and some models of the Edsel Div.,they were not available in the Mercury Div. or the Lincoln Div. who had their own engine.No offense to Jim Dove but in this instance he is mistaken. |
| | | | | And "So endth the lesson".... -- pop428, 07/03/2002
"Praise the LORD" (shoe). |
| | | | | | RE: And "So endth the lesson".... -- Tom, 07/03/2002
wow i cant go 24 hours on this site without learning something i love fords |
| | | | | | | RE: And "So endth the lesson".... -- davis, 07/03/2002
not sure about the statements of FE being the best head compared to 351's, you have to remember Dove is selling a product. in any case, there is some good info for massaging a FE block. All this new product development helps in the FE interest. |
| | | | | | | And yet again.. -- Rob, 07/03/2002
I am amazed by another FE guru's intellect, thank you for clearing that up
Rob |
| | | | | | | | Friggin enough! -- kevin, 07/03/2002
thats what its come to. I have a neighbor that worked in Ford Engineering. I just found this out not long ago when I spotted another neighbor with a 65 Cyclone in his driveway. After stopping to chat, this guy was down on the ground trying to pull the drum off. I saw him struggling, soooo, I ended up pulling them so he could see what it needed. While conversing with him, I learned that he was a MIT grad who was courted by Ford for their Engine Division. He knew everyone that I could spout off quite well, including every racing name. He has some rare disease that forced him into early retirement. He cannot see well due to this condition, hence his struggling that I saw. Well I cant wait to talk with him soon and ask him what he knew to the origin of said engine. The old guy that owns the Cyclone (90's!) took me in and started to show me stuff that blew me away. He was a charter member and senior judge of the Antique Automobile Club of America. He has cars that I never heard of. He started the Watkins Glen races thru the streets of town where his father had a garage at the turn of the century. He has more pictures than I could see. In these are all the famous people that are long gone. He knew so many of the auto elite its scarry. I cant even begin to tell some of the stuff that he told me that left me with my head spinning. Jaque Pissano, Carroll Shelby, Ken Miles, A-J Foyt, Don Sullivan, Masten Gregory, Roger Penske, Fangio, and on and on, all had to deal with him at times. His knowledge is staggering, and I am going to try and document as much as I can before he passes on. The literature that he has is going to be a treat. The other gy? Yea he worked with Jack Roush and Macura and Faustyn and so on. Its gonna be good to hear his stories. He had to leave due to his condition, and the old one was telling me about him and how shy he is due to his condition. He is embaressed somewhat to talk of his work from what I understand, so it may take some tact to get him to open up. But I'm up for the challenge, like hunting down that old car you know exists behind that barn. |
| | | | | | | | | There's a light at the ned of the tunnel.. -- pop428, 07/03/2002
Kevin, finally some hope of talking to someone who was there at the plant! What a great experience you have had, enjoy it and please pass on all that you may learn...
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| | Real answer to the question. -- Nick, 07/03/2002
Everybody's a wimp. I'll tell you what I always knew/heard. It is either Ford-Edsel or Ford-Engine. Ford-Edsel makes a lot more sense to me. It isn't Ford-Fairlane though, I know that. |
| | | You need to learn the V-8 engine family names... -- Dave Shoe, 07/04/2002
...and do I have Ford V-8 gasoline engine family names for you:
FF = Ford Flathead, 1932-53
FF60 = Small Ford Flathead, 1937-40
LF = Lincoln Flathead, 1949-51
LC = Lincoln and Continental, 1952-57
FY = Ford Y-block, 1954-64
YT = Y-Block Truck, 1956-63
FE = Ford Edsel, 1958-76
MEL = Mercury Edsel Lincoln, 1958-67
FST = Ford Super Duty Truck, 1958-80s
FT = Ford Heavy Duty Truck, 1964-78
FW = Ford Windsor = formerly Fairlane (221,260,289,302,325,351W)
FC = Ford Cleveland = formerly 335 (351C)
FM = Ford Michigan = formerly Modified (351M, 400)
FL = Ford Lima = formerly 385 (370,429,460)
Don't believe everything you read.
Shoe.
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| | | | Shoe, love ya! But...... -- Styletone58, 07/04/2002
Just where did this list come from and from where did you pull Ford Michigan? The only piece of ford-sourced lit that mentions a definition for the M in 351M is the Ford Motorsports catalog, where it is defined as Modified. I also do not recall ever seeing anything stating that 335 and 385 are not still the correct family names for those engine types. If you are gonna present this list as gospel, I'd like to see the transfer of ownership papers with God's signature. |
| | | | | Don't believe me. -- Dave Shoe, 07/04/2002
Hey, It's not me who named the 351W after the Windsor Foundry where the blocks were cast with the WF marking on them.
Nor did I name the 351C after the Cleveland Foundry where the blocks were cast and marked CF.
Maybe I am stretching things a bit in noticing that the 351M block was born at Ford's new Michigan Casting Center and carries the MCC marking.
As before, don't believe the list. Just because it's been printed here doesn't make it correct by any stretch.
Shoe.
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| | | | | | OK, I get the picture... -- Mike, 07/04/2002
Thanks guys for all the imput. Sorry to start something that I shounld have.... |
| | | | | | | The first small blocks were made in Lima. -- Dave Shoe, 07/04/2002
Keep in mind, the V-8 engine chart I made up is false. I'm just having fun with the idea that if it's printed, it becomes fact.
The 221 OHV V-8 smallblock was manufactured in Lima, Ohio at Ford's Lima Engine Plant, not in Windsor, Canada.
Though foundry markings are easily viewed on an engine block casting, I suspect the "W" and "C" designated by Ford for the 351 are more likely to indicate the engine plant than the casting plant. This is because it appears that multiple foundries typically cast a given block, such as the 390 block being cast at both CF and DIF in a given year, but the engine machining lines didn't change very much.
I logically believe the "M" was initially intended to mean "Michigan" by the engineering department, but it was misinterpreted to mean "Modified" by someone in Ford's marketing department, and so the "Modified" name stuck.
It seems to me when someone claims that FE means "Fairlane Engine", it's more reasonable to ask for the origin of the info rather than to accept it as fact without question.
Shoe. |
| ford 360 with c6 -- harry, 07/01/2002
I am Harry from the Netherlands and I have a question for you.
The 360 with C6 combo does that automatically has a 9 inch rear axle?
Does this C6 also fit a 351Windsor engine or is it a differend bolt patern?
What is the ford engine code for the '72 360 engine?
regards Harry
fordman@planet.nl |
| | RE: ford 360 with c6 -- Gerry Proctor, 07/02/2002
The 360 was only installed in pickup trucks, Harry. It would likely have a 9" rear axle in its original configuration. The FE blockface for the bellhousing is unique and only FE bellhousings will fit it, and you can not fit it to other engine series. Can't help you with the specific code, but if your engine is untouched you'll find a small metal tag on the coil bracket that contains the complete build information on your engine. Post that here and it can be de-coded. |
| power steering pulley -- JeffB, 07/01/2002
I have a 1969 Mustang (390 CID) with dealer installed power steering. I recently bought a set of March Pulleys for it. The power steering unit pulley will not line up with the pulley I bought. Was a different pulley used on dealer installed power steering for these cars? |
| | See any letters/number stamped on it? [n/m] -- Mr F, 07/01/2002
n/m |
| would this Work -- fordmanjoe, 06/29/2002
if i have a 1968 convertible and it needs a new frame and i have a 68 ltd and the convertible is a galaxie 500 will that parts cars frame fit on the convertible.will it be a really big job. is it hard. will the frames be interchangeable. ANY HELP WILL BE APRECIATED. |
| | RE: would this Work -- Tom, 06/30/2002
should work they are the same size i presume same frame |
| | RE: would this Work -- D. Bellis, 07/01/2002
Be sure to check the front body mount just in front of the firewall. On the convertibles, this mount is on the inside of the frame, and on all other body styles they are directly on the frame rail. What a buddy of mine did when he transplanted a hardtop frame under his ragtop was to use a grinder on his convertible's forward mount, and grind the welds that held them to the frame. He then unbolted all the other mounts, leaving the forward ones bolted to the ragtop's body. He used two chain hoists to raise the body, then roll out the old, and roll in the new. After he bolted the mounts to the transplanted frame, he then mig welded the convertibles frount mounts to it. (A little at a time so he would not burn up the rubbers) It's not hard, just nerve racking. We did remove a LOT of parts though. We also used the new rolling chassis to push out the dead one so that if it did happen to fall, it wouldn't fall far. All this was done on a '67, but I belive the frames will interchange from '65-'68. This is a really common problem with the '65-'68 models, but if you can find a good frame, it can be changed out.
HTH
Dex. |
| | would that work?? -- Jim, 07/03/2002
I would think that the convertible frame would be more reinforced to keep the structural integrity of the car. If they are the same and you decide to do it, be careful with the convertible body, it will surely sag in half without the frame if not properly supported. |
| FE's and c-6's -- JESSE, 06/29/2002
what year was the c-6 first used with a fe in a truck ? and what other trannies where used with FE's in the 60's |
| | FMXs were used before C-6s. No other auto trans? -- Walker, 06/29/2002
There was a 3 speed manual, a 3 speed manual + OD, and various versions of 4-speed toploaders used as well.
You can buy adapters to use many different auto trans behind an FE including the PowerGlide and AOD and C-4, even for the MOPAR trans too.
Are you restoring the truck to concours? Is this why you need to know first year info?
Given a choice for a autotransmission behind an FE in a truck I'd strongly recommend the C-6. But then, how weird am I? |
| | RE: FE's and c-6's -- Barry B, 06/29/2002
The first year the C6 was used with a FE in a pickup was '68. Before that was the MX, a heavy-duty version of the FMX. |
| | | RE: FE's and c-6's -- George, 06/30/2002
Yeah, but I got on tonight to find out if the auto trans mounted behind the 429 I have will bolt up to the late 60s 390 I'm going to drop into my 67 Fairlane! Then I see this post. The 429 is out of a 67/68 Tbird and I think the trans is a C6. It doesn't have a seperate bell housing - the trans case goes all the way from the block to the tail, in 1 piece. Will it fit? It's 31 spline coming out of the tail.
Thx
Geo |
| | | | won't work, 429 has a different bolt pattern... -- hawkrod, 06/30/2002
ford made 4 different C6 case bolt patterns, 462 lincoln, 360/390/427/428, 429/460, and 300,302. the case bolt pattern is specific and can not be swapped. you will have to keep looking. hawkrod |
| | | | RE: FE's and c-6's -- John Saxon, 07/03/2002
Hey George check to see if that Bird is a 67 or 68 cause if its a 67 then the engine you have is an FE and could possibly be a 428 even if not it would be a 390 and the tranny should work in your fairlane.68 was the first year the 429 was used in the T-bird or any car for that matter. John |
| | | | | RE: FE's and c-6's -- George, 07/03/2002
John. I am CERTAIN that it's a ThunderJet. I know the difference. APPARENTLY, I have a 429 and accompanying C6 transmission for sale. Anybody? Cheep!
Thanks J
George |
| | RE: FE's and c-6's -- Dutch, 06/30/2002
In 1963, they used a ford-o-matic, cast iron gear-box behind the FE, I know I have one-it's also for-sale, behind a 390 4v, turn key, $750.00 |
| talladega for $3500, engine in car -- mikeb, 06/28/2002
c-6 oil cooler, thats what the guy says. body -interior needs total makeover
anybody interested? |
| HELP .010 undersized timing chain -- Robbie, 06/28/2002
My shelby engine(428) is at the machine shop and a new cloyes chain is too loose (1/4 inch slap) after measuring up the block it seems I need a .010 undersized chain,,I have exhausted all my and their resources less having one made 1-2 months,,Can anyone give me a lead where to look??
Robbie 660-679-6422 |
| | RE: HELP .010 undersized timing chain -- RDave, 06/28/2002
Robbie, email (blueovalperformance@uswest.net) or call (303-762-8298) Rob McQuarie at Blue Oval Performance Engineering and ask him about the "Rollmaster" timing chain set, which is available undersized for blocks that have been line honed. It's expensive, but so are Shelby's!
RDave |
| | | RE: HELP .010 undersized timing chain -- Robbie, 06/29/2002
I have tried Rob and he doen't have nor knows when they will get any |
| | | | RE: HELP .010 undersized timing chain -- RDave, 06/29/2002
Robbie,
what I was suggesting was that you purchase the entire Rollmaster undersized timing chain set (with prestretched timing chain and cam and crank billet sprockets) for blocks that are worn and totally replace the set you have on your engine now. It lists for $99.00.
RDave
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| | | | | RE: HELP .010 undersized timing chain -- Robbie, 06/30/2002
I understand what your saying,,, I want to buy the entire set ,,Rob at blue oval doesn't have it |
| How much would a 1968 Galaxie 500 conv. worth -- fordmanjoe, 06/28/2002
it is a 2 door converitabal and it is factory 390 auto. and is in great shape as far as i could see. did run when parked. needs painted and new wheels and top interiors good. JUST WONDERING how much it would be worth if i sold it. How much would u pay for it.
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| | RE: How much would a 1968 Galaxie 500 conv. worth -- Gerry Proctor, 06/28/2002
Depends on where you're located and the TRUE condition of the car. Sellers are notorious for "gilding the lilly" and unless the car was meticulously maintained and cared for, I would suspect that it is going to be worth far less than the king's ransom you may be pondering. "DID RUN" (meaning it doesn't now run and who knows why) and "NEEDS PAINT" are dead giveaways that the car has not been maintained. If this car is located just about anywhere other than the Southwest, it probably has some undisclosed or masked rust problems too. If you lived across the street from me, I might offer you around two thousand. Afterall, it needs cosmetic and mechanical attention right off the bat and those are going to raise my investment in the car by at least $3,000 which would bring the car at or above market value real fast. If it has rust, body damage, significant mechanical issues, or is not as represented then all you have is a parts car. |
| That little bushing -- Rob, 06/27/2002
I would like a positive I.D. on the bushing needed to put an auto distributor into a 361/391 block. I have seen it listed as C4TE-12367A and C4TZ-12367A. I sure don't want to build up a 361/391 block and then discover Ihave the wrong bushing and the one I need is no longer available. Besides, I priced a C4TZ-12367A at the local dealer and they want $32 for it (must be gold plated or something).
Thanks for your help. |
| 390 rebuild, For a 67 mustang coupe! -- DANNYQ, 06/25/2002
Would a 428 rebuild kit fit on a 390 block?? Would the 390 fit on my 67 mustang coupe since it originaly was an Scode 390? Would I have to cut the shock towers to make it fit? |
| | RE: 390 rebuild, For a 67 mustang coupe! -- Gerry Proctor, 06/26/2002
The only parts that are unique to the 428 are the crank, pistons, and flywheel/flexplate. If your Mustang came with a 390 then another 390 (or any other FE) will fit as advertised. The only thing to look out for is the block mount and the type of heads you'll be using. The '64 and earlier FEs used a two-bolt block mount. Not that you can't make it work, but it can be the source of a surprise. Also, the unibody cars (Mustang/Fairlane) used a head that was drilled with a 14-bolt exhaust flange pattern and took a unique exhaust manifold to clear the shock towers. So, the ease in which your replacement engine will sit is dependent upon the year of the block and the casting number and flange pattern on your heads. |
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