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| Balancing Act...part II -- fastlaneford, 06/17/2002
Can anyone on this side of the forum answer this...?
Quick question regarding balance on 460 engine.
72-78-" "
79-95-" "
Please fill in the blanks....which is internally balanced and which is externally balanced?
Please help! the confusion bug is eating my brain...
Fastlane Ford |
| | RE: Balancing Act...part II -- Barry B, 06/17/2002
Early - Internal; Late - External
Relax now! |
| | | RE: Balancing Act...part II -- fastlaneford, 06/17/2002
What gave you the idea that I was uptight about something?? Anyway...I thougth I knew this answer but I am so corn-fused.... ha ha ha
I was on two different websites for engine rebuilders here locally and they listed them this way..
72-78 external 79-95 internal
What gives>?
Fastlane Ford |
| | | | RE: Balancing Act...part II -- Barry B, 06/17/2002
Sorry, you sounded stressed in your first post.
As to what gives, beats me. Why not ask those rebuilders? |
| | | | | RE: Balancing Act...part II -- fastlaneford, 06/18/2002
Allright - I got the scoop....My friend has a pal who is a Mechanic at the Ford house in Fort Worth....
As everyone has said early models up to 1978 are internal .....
1980-95 are external.....
In 1979 however they can be both depending on the build number of your vehicle.
If your 460 has a 2Y crank it is internally balanced.
At the switchover point, the new external 3Y crank was introduced.
So everyone remember if you are having vibration problems...and you have a D9TE Block, you prolly need a damper (not diaper-he-he) change....
Thanks for your help Barry and talk to you soo again on the forums....
Fastlane Ford |
| another goofy question (AFB carb ID ?) -- joe schepker, 06/17/2002
well, this 352 that i picked up with the C6AE-R heads also has a carter AFB on it that i can't identify. i've looked everywhere. the part # is 2507S. it is a factory carb to something, but what? sorry about the non FE question, but you all are the smartest guys i know! |
| | Re: 57-6o buick 401?? -- mustangoldtimer, 06/17/2002
n/m |
| | RE: another goofy question (AFB carb ID ?) -- jim, 01/27/2006
carter afb #2507s is a buick 1957 |
| C6AE-R heads...any good? -- joe schepker, 06/16/2002
i came across a 1965 352 with these on it and i've heard of people using them for performance use. what's the benefit of using them? i won't be using them, just wondering what their strong points were. thanks, joe |
| | Yup. -- Dave Shoe, 06/16/2002
C6AE-R heads are much like all 1958-65 FE heads, except they also have bosses for installation of exhaust in Fairlane and Mustang engine bays. The bosses are not necessarily drilled, but they are there.
One hassle with these heads is the exhaust port ceiling, because you've got both the thermactor boss to grind out to match flow of pre-emissions heads, as well as removing the "anti-reversion" type dam the the outermost portion of the port. It's not actually there to prevent reversion, but instead to properly seal 390 Fairlane/Mustang manifolds.
The CJ head casting is basically the same as the C6AE-R, except the combustion chamber is slightly reshaped (no biggie), and there is no AR dam to fiddle with.
Note that the CJ head is cast for regular FE valves, but is throat-dressed to fit CJ-sized valves. You can install CJ sized valves into a C6AE-R head without hassle, and you'll likely even eliminate any valve recession caused by valve jobs over the years. With valves standing tall above the seats, rather than sunk a bit, you get better breathing.
C6AE-R heads were only available in 1966-67 cars and pickups. Probably a third got 'em. All other FE production heads these two years are of the "full emissions" variety, and thus have smaller "velocity" runners and some other mods.
Shoe. |
| | | RE: Yup. -- joe schepker, 06/17/2002
THANKS! i've been enlightened immensely on these. they don't have any provisions for emissions equipment, by the way. good news, but it figures i get 'em AFTER i buy my CJ heads...lol anybody interested in them? thanks again, dave... joe |
| | | | For '66-67 only California engines got Thermactor. -- Dave Shoe, 06/17/2002
The Thermactor bosses are cast into all emissions era (1966-later) FE heads (except 427 race heads), but they are only drilled for GT/PI cammed engines destined for California.
It wasn't until 1968 that all GT/PI/CJ cammed engines required Thermactor in all 50 States. The extra valve overlap of the warmer cam caused too much raw gasoline to flow straight from the intake runner out the exhaust runner, so an exhaust gas reactor was required to clean things up.
Oh, by the way, this is just my opinion. I'm most likely correct, but I continue to seek more printed matter on the topic before I will consider it fact.
Shoe. |
| 427 -- Brett, 06/15/2002
How much is this engine worth?
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| | It's worth fifty bucks .... -- Bill Conley, 06/15/2002
... multiplied by anywhere from 250 to 500. This is a very rare and desirable 427 SOHC "cammer".
The value depends on how well it's been built and the originality. Is it a correct cammer block? What's the overbore? Are the heads redone with modern valves (a necessity!)? You may have some guys quibble about the single 4V manifold and knock a couple of bucks off. The dual quad is more glamorous. Does it have the correct Holley 850 carb on that single quad??
Lots of questions! When you get to stuff this expensive and exotic it's really hard to pin a price on it. Sotheby's never knows how much they're going to get for a Monet painting. Is it 3 million or 15 million? Depends on having the right buyer!
JMO
-Bill |
| | I like that air cleaner. -- Dave Shoe, 06/15/2002
I don't understand how those shock towers can look so unhacked with that massive engine in there, but it's a cool photo.
I totally dig the breathable look of that air cleaner. I'll bet it doesn't muffle any of the carburetors roar.
Shoe. |
| What's the deal with 390GT heads and manifolds? -- Scott G., 06/15/2002
I have a 67 390 mustang and want to beef its power output. I have heard the exhaust manifolds are a weak link. Are 428CJ heads a better upgrade, or can I get what I need from the GT heads with some modification to them? Likewise, should 428CJ manifolds replace the GT units? Or could I Extrude Hone the GT units? I want the engine to look factory(no headers). I have a 428PI intake to add. My goal is to add 50 to 75 horsepower and significant torque above the stock engine
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| | RE: What's the deal with 390GT heads and manifolds? -- Tom, 06/15/2002
you can always get Favtory Shorty Headers |
| | | RE: What's the deal with 390GT heads and manifolds? -- pankoke, 04/01/2003
i need some help figuring out what heads i have on my 390. im thinking they are 390 gt heads but im not sure. on the front port there is 2 vertical holes then a diaginal set that slants towards the radiator. then on the second port there is one hole at the top and 2 holes that slant towards the radiator like the 1st one. the other 2 ports are just the oppostite. they point towards the firewall. the head numbers are C6AE-R. if you can help me figure out for sure what they r i would appreciate it. |
| | Which heads ya got? -- Dave Shoe, 06/15/2002
The 390GT got the same heads as any other FE. They were just drilled for Fairlane/Mustang exhaust manifolds and given stiffer valve springs.
What is the casting number on those heads. They're most likely C7AE-A, but may be C6AE-R, C6AE-U, or possibly something else.
Only the C6AE-R heads are unique, but I gotta know thenumber to make any suggestions.
I will say thet dumping the Fairlane exhaust manifolds (they were used on non-GT Fairlanes and Mustangs, too) for some CJ manifolds or FPA headers would be the number one upgrade. You can't know the best headers to get until you mention the casting number on the heads, however. The C6AE-R heads should get Hooker or FPA CJ headers, the other numbers must get FPA's GT headers, not Hookers.
Second upgrade is to move toward an Edelbrock RPM intake. This should give you the power you seek.
Shoe. |
| | That sounds like a good plan. -- Royce Peterson, 04/01/2003
428CJ heads can be used on your 390GT heads but to do so you have to drill one hole in each head and tap the hole. This will require removing the heads.
A bigger set of valves 2.09 / 1.66 and raising the exhaust port to meet the edge of the 428CJ exhaust manifold will give you the power increase you are after coupled with the 428CJ intake and port matching the heads to the intake.
Royce |
| 390 fe flywheel -- Bill, 06/14/2002
I have a 390 flywheel that needs resurfaced before use for fresh 390. I also have 2 brand new in the box , 11" clutch, 460 flywheels. They look very close to the same, and I've seen 390 flywheels advertised as able to go on a 429/460. Can I use the 460 flywheels on my 390? Thanks Bill |
| | RE: 390 fe flywheel -- Charlie P, 06/15/2002
http://fomoco.com/forum429/results.asp?Page=1&Max=20&Option=0&Name=on&Email=on&Key=flywheel
According to my uncle you need to change the gear so your starter will work, 184 teeth vs 176 I think?
Also later years the 460 was balanced diff. (there is some info about that in the link above) I think 460 will most likely be an 11.5" clutch not 11". If you search the forum here you'll see npd sells the correct 11.5" flywheel for $99 for 390 fe if they still have one. If its $ you're worried about it may be easier to buy an 11.5" clutch and $99 flywheel? Charlie |
| 65 390 and 64 Galaxie toploader into 1967 Mustang -- corey, 06/14/2002
I want to put a 1965/66 T-bird 390 engine with a 64 galaxie toploader into my 1967 Mustang. Which bellhousing?
i have a 65/66 mercury 390 engine with a C6 from a T-bird. I want to put a 4 speed toploader from a 64 Galaxie together with it. Is there any way to get around buying an expensive expolosion proof after market bellhousing? I have a 67 Mustang bellhousing which matches my motor but not my trans. I would like to drill and tap the bellhousing i have to match the bolt pattern on my toploader but don't know where to start. Has anybody done this or can offer advice? |
| | RE: that's what we need -- Mike McQuesten, 06/17/2002
There you go Corey, that's the information we need to give you a more complete answer.
You've indicated that you have a C6OE stick bell housing. If it's a '67 Mustang 390 stick bell housing it will have this part #. You have obviously indicated the problem with that bell and the '64 Galaxie top loader. The '64 trans was cast with the narrow trans to bell pattern used from '49 - '64.
In addition to that problem you also have the wrong tailshaft/shifter mounting location for a unibody '67 Mustang. I'm not going into a lot of unnecessary detail on this Corey. That '64 Galaxie transmission is not a good fit for your '67 390 Mustang. You can change the trans and modify the C6OE bell to fit that trans but it's going to cost you.
It seems that money matters to you which is good. My advice would be to sell that '64 Galaxie Toploader 4 speed. There's a big market for that trans because it's a nice fit in '64 and older full size Fords/Mercurys. It works well in lots of older applications like that. Then take the revenue gained and purchase the correct '67 & later 390 Mustang/Cougar 4 speed tranny. I believe you'll be dollars ahead by doing this. |
| Insanity test -- cyclone65afx@aol.com, 06/13/2002
This is off-topic, but really great! I'm sure everyone here will pass with flying colors. Make sure your sound is turned on. In the high-pressure world of trying to keep the magnificent FEs wailing strobgly, it's nice to take a break and get a smile. It gets funnier every time I look at it. Umm, to try and save myself here for posting off-topic, I got my new core support and am cutting my old one out tomorrow night. I am going to test-fit my 390 and C4 in the Fairlane's engine room. Take inventory of what I'm gonna need next. There. Have fun- George |
| | Sounds like . . . -- Orin, 06/14/2002
. . .two mimes just learning how to talk. :-) |
| | RE: Insanity test -- GaryXL, 11/10/2004
Firewall on the server won't let me out to listen, hope my old computer at hone wil run it. I think it was built just after my "64 : ) |
| | Looks darn nice 'cept for those dopey gauges.[n/m] -- Mr F, 06/13/2002
n/m |
| | | Buy the car and the dopey gauges. -- P, 06/14/2002
Buy the car, toss the gauges, get some good ones!
Love that Fairlane! However, things ALWAYS look better in a photograph than they do in reality. You don't see paint flaws, rock chips, grease on the motor, etc. in the photos.
I was getting out of high school at the time that car was built, and thank God I ended up with a 1600 cc Alfa instead of something with a big motor, because I raised enough hell with the little one for one lifetime (including being chased by a 429 powered police car on dirt roads, and cough, cough, ......getting away.....when the big cruiser didn't make a tight turn in the dirt !) Statute of limitations is up...........er I hope !
That model of Fairlane is my all time favorite. What a beautiful car even by today's standards.
P |
| | | RE:Have to say... -- Mike McQuesten, 06/17/2002
I just have to throw in my opinion on this '67 Fairlane GTA: Beautiful!! Seriously, if I was able at this time, this particular 'Lane GTA would be the car I'd buy even over a mighty Mustang. To me it's the best color of '67 (even over Lime Gold?!) the black vinyl top/interior and stripes are perfect.
The guages? I'd replace with period correct Sun to match a '60 era Sun Tach mounted on the steering column. The Fairlanes had the worst factory guage package of any intermediate. I'd also replace that huge "safety" steering wheel center protrusion with my '66 Fairlane steering cap.
A few years ago I'd thought $15K was out of line. Not anymore.
It's those fuzzy dice I'd chuck immediately!!
Enough pipe dreamin'. Back to work on my '60. |
| | Talking about gauges… -- Barry B, 06/13/2002
Looking at the pic of the dash, can someone explain what that red bar is above the mph numbers on the speedo that starts at 70 and goes to the end? I’ve seen this on the cars and most trucks starting in ’67. The one in the pic must have faded out. Thought it might have something to do with the national speed limit. Never have gotten a good explanation.
Thanks! |
| | | It was simply . . . -- Orin, 06/13/2002
. . .FoMoCo's (and others') way of gently reminding the driver he was at the top of the "safe" speed limit. This was back when interstates were posted at 70-75 mph and the fuzz always gave you an extra 10 mph. I could drive from Baltimore to Indianapolis, about 630 miles, in under 9 hours even with gas and food stops. |
| | | | Thank-you Orin -- Barry B, 06/13/2002
Finally an answer! Ya know it isn't even mentioned in the owners manual even though you can see it in the illustration. Very gentle reminder. : ) |
| Royce, your feline wisdom is needed... -- Bill Brady, 06/13/2002
http://fomoco.com/forummain/thread.asp?ID=53250
I may have spoken too quickly about the XR-7 GT-E connection, but when the conversation turns to 302 powered GT-E's, expert advise is required. |
| | RE: Royce, your feline wisdom is needed... -- Mike J., 06/16/2002
No such Thing !! GT-E Badge read 7.0 litre ,not 5.0 ! |
| | | depends on which year GT-E emblem you are.... -- hawkrod, 06/16/2002
looking at! i have seen 69 badges out there with 6.5 emblems (of course we are not talking production cars, but ford made the parts and at least a couple of proto's). hawkrod |
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