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 |  352-390 id -- ariff, 06/05/2002
Can someone out there give me a good way to tell the difference between a 352 and 390.. Where would I find an ID I looked for the tag and it is gone. It is supposed to be a 390, but is says 352 on the drivers side block by the coil. Thanks for any suggestions. |
|  | The "352" casting mark is a generic "family" term. -- Dave Shoe, 06/05/2002
That "352" marking is cast onto most FE and FTs from 1958 through 1972 or so. After that, the generic marking more often became "105".
The marking does not identify the engine block, in any way, except that it indicates it is an FE or FT of some type.
We'll need more info from you to make a more accurate assessment.
Be aware, it's popular to claim a 1968-76 pickup truck has a 390, when actually it's more likely a 360.
Shoe.
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| | | RE: The "352" casting mark is a generic "family" term. -- ariff, 06/05/2002
Cool that is good news. I have some #'s from the intake they are: c6ae9425 and 6k13
Also where the spark plugs are there and these #'s: c7ae-a, d1f, and 16 or 18 e.
Is there anywhere else I should look? This engine is in a 69 mustang FB. PO says the motor was taken from a 67 fairlane. Just trying to figure out what type of engine it is.. Thanks for the info.. |
| | | | It definitely sounds like a 1967 Fairlane motor. -- Dave Shoe, 06/05/2002
I suspect it's likely a 1967 Fairlane 390 engine. This could be a 390-2barrel, 390 4-barrel, or 390GT 4-barrel.
The casting number for the intake is missing the last character. The intake likely has an "S" marking atop the #1 runner, and if it's a 4-barrel, and this means it's likely a 390GT engine, but possibly a regular 390 4-barrel. This 4-barrel intake was used in all FE 4-barrel car applications from 1966-70, except for the PI, CJ, and 427.
If the air cleaner has either a screen on the front of it, or else a vacuum valve actuating a large air valve on the driver's side, then it's a 390GT aircleaner. Nice to have.
The heads are a generic 1967 casting used in all FEs except the 427, and are likely drilled for Fairlane/Mustang type exhaust manifolds.
Stick a CJ iron intake, or a 428PI alum intake, or an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake for vastly improved intake breathing, and CJ iron exhaust manifolds or Tri-Y headers for the 390GT (www.fordpowertrain.com) for even great improvement on the exhaust. You won't be able to tell the difference between it and a 428CJ.
Shoe. |
| | | |  | RE: It definitely sounds like a 1967 Fairlane motor. -- ariff, 06/05/2002
Dave,
Thanks for the helpful info I will take a second look at the intake when I get home for the missing #. As for the air cleaner I just have a standard cleaner on there no PCV stuff. I do also have a set of hooker comp headers on it to help with the exhaust.. If you wouldn't mind looking at a picture of it I can take one with the digital camera and send it your way.. Once thanks for your knowledge.. I love these forums |
| | | | | | Hookers don't match those heads. -- Dave Shoe, 06/05/2002
The 6114 Hookers are a lousy port match to those heads. They miss the port by 5/16" and are likely to leak across the bottom, due to the lack of proper gasket crush.
I hope they're working OK for ya, but Hooker has chosen to NOT mention the port compatibility issue. Hookers work fine on 1958-65 FE heads, as well as C6AE-R heads which were available in 1966-67 only, as well as 428CJ and all 427 heads. That's it.
Shoe.
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| | | | | |  | RE: Hookers don't match those heads. -- ariff, 06/05/2002
They seem to be working ok.. Thanks for the tip though. I will take a better look at them. |
| | | | | RE: It definitely sounds like a 1967 Fairlane motor. -- ariff, 06/05/2002
Took another look at it and sure enough there is a s on the #1 runner. There is also a -G at the end of the #'s(c6ae9425-g) So would this make it a S code 390GT? It is a 4 barrel. Thanks.. |
| Y Code 1964 Mercury? -- Tim B, 06/04/2002
Has anybody ever heard of such a thing?
Thanks,
Tim B |
| | It might be a half-year engine. -- Dave Shoe, 06/04/2002
Since there was apparently not a 2-barrel 390 available at the start of 1964, but there was a "Y" code 390-2 barrel at the start of 1965, I'm suspecting the 390-2 barrel came along sometime during the 1964 model year.
Half-year engines don't make it into the books very well, because they've already been published.
Shoe. |
| | | can't be too unusual, it is in the mercury MPC... -- hawkrod, 06/04/2002
it is in the part book and the print date in august 63 so they may not be too odd. i just stripped a Y code 1964 4 door hardtop with AC PS and PB (god love e-bay!). hawkrod |
| | RE: Y Code 1964 Mercury? -- DR.SOHC, 06/06/2002
Y code 1964 -390,what body style? |
| | | RE: Y Code 1964 Mercury? -- Tim B, 06/06/2002
I'm not sure what body style it is. I was asking for a friend who couldn't find the information.
Thanks for the info.
Tim B |
| | | | | RE: Here's a neat Mercury site -- James, 06/06/2002
Let me know what the errors are and I'll fix them |
| | | | | | RE: Here's a neat Mercury site -- Barry B, 06/10/2002
Oops, looks like I’m the error. I misread the specs for “Ford and Mercury” assuming they were for Mercury only, now it all makes sense. Sorry about that. :( |
| | | | | | | RE: Here's a neat Mercury site -- James, 06/11/2002
No problem, Just trying to keep everything on my site accurate |
| | | | | | | | RE: Here's a neat Mercury site -- Barry B, 06/11/2002
Yes, you are a stickler for details and I can really appreciate that. That’s why I like you site, lots of factual info with references too. Hope I didn’t give it a bad rap. |
| | | | RE: Y Code 1964 Mercury? -- DR.SOHC, 06/06/2002
Do you have the complete vin # |
| | | | | RE: Y Code 1964 Mercury? -- Tim B, 06/06/2002
No I don't, but I've forwarded all of the info I've gotten here. He's in Canada, I've never seen the car.
Tim B |
| | | | | | RE: Y Code 1964 Mercury? -- DR.SOHC, 06/06/2002
Ill watch for it. I work for ford so ill run it and see what its supposed to be. |
| Oh FE gurus, I need a answer... -- Dan Davis, 06/03/2002
...Can one use any of the available Ford OEM multiple carb intakes when using Edelbrock heads? A friend is looking to run an 6V setup, if possible. I also know that there are two different intakes -- which is which and which is the best to run?
Yes I know that this is not the best for performance but it is for a street rod where looks are more important than speed.
Thanks,
Dan |
| | For looks, nothing beats the 'M-series' set-up... -- Mr F, 06/03/2002
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| | | I'm with Mr. F on this. -- Dave Shoe, 06/04/2002
It may have preceded the better flowing MR intake technology, but the Tri-Power fit's under hoods more easily and is as good-looking and good sounding as it gets.
Properly set-up, they make gobs of power.
Shoe. |
| | | | And they fit with E-brock heads, right? [n/m] -- Dan Davis, 06/04/2002
nm |
| | | | | Technically: Yes. -- Dave Shoe, 06/04/2002
Actually, I'd prefer to make a head mod before installing them.
The Ed head comes with MR-sized port face. The tri-power intake obviously has the taller LR-sized port face. They will seal fine, but the mismatch is not exactly ideal, since gasoline could technically puddle a bit at the step (maybe it does, maybe I'm just imagining it), and the lower plane of the intake may crave a little more access to the head.
Since the Ed head is cast to be easily converted to a LR port-face size by chamfering the outermost portion of the head's runner, it would be IDEAL to open the Ed head's floor up to match the intake manifold's port.
You'll have to decide whether carving on the heads this little bit is what you want to do. I suspect I would, if put in the same position.
Shoe. |
| | | | |  | Awsome. Thanks Dave & Mr F. [n/m] -- Dan Davis, 06/04/2002
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| | | | | | And I must agree with Dave - match 'em. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/04/2002
n/m |
| 390 to 460 swap in my 64 Gal -- Alex, 06/03/2002
I have a '64 Gal with manual steering and a automatic.
I want to make big power and want to know if this swap is worth it. I know that FEs have been getting more and more support, but there is no replacement for displacement. Someone who stands by these motors, please tell me the truth in this matter. |
| | RE: 390 to 460 swap in my 64 Gal -- Lou, 06/03/2002
The 460 is a good engine, gas hog, and heavy. If you want cubes go for the 460. Find a late police unit and
it's matching C-6 and go to town.
I think from a dollars and cents stand point I would hop the 390. |
| | | RE: 390 to 460 swap in my 64 Gal -- James Dodson, 06/04/2002
I work on a 64 Galazie with a 460 in it all the time. The only thing that I noticed about the car's apperance is that it sets lower in the front than it should. The 460 weighs a bit more than the 390 it came with. If it were me, I would either put an aluminum intake on it or put stiffer springs in it. The aluminum intake would be the best choice I think since it shaves about 60 pounds off and will improve your performance. Hope this helps |
| | Crites Restoration probably has headers. -- Dave Shoe, 06/04/2002
You might try Crites for some custom pieces for the swap.
Shoe. |
| | Great reading, if your used to Chinese.... -- kevin, 06/05/2002
I cant read much of it, as it hurts my eyes. |
| | | huh? -- D. Rosenberg, 06/05/2002
Don't look Chinese to me, unless yer eyes are going bad.
Diego |
| | | | Comes in clear as a bell over here, too. -- Dave Shoe, 06/05/2002
Might be time for a browser upgrade. They're typically free.
Shoe. |
| | | | | No browsers here...web tv..... -- kevin, 06/07/2002
shows this page as all vertical, half or one word at a time. Cant get some photos that are posted either. I used a friends computer a couple weeks ago and could not believe how hard it is to see the postings. Web tv makes it so much easier than whatever he has (Presario I think). I can scan the whole page in a minute or less, and had to advance and go back individualy on his, which took the better part of a half hour. Also, I thought that my dial up cheap ass web tv was so slow, until I reaized his "road runner" service is just as slow if not more so. I bought this web tv set up for the fact I am computer illiterate compared to the average kid in 3rd grade, and wanted something simple to sell off my collection. Now that I am here on these forum's, I have changed my mind and want to go back racing with a vengence. I dont have to spend any money to do so, as I already have everything needed for the most part. Trouble is, nobody wants to crew a Ford, due to the fact that there exists little info for most that are not privy to the info that was out there years ago. We shall see. |
| Cam shaft interchange -- William, 06/01/2002
Can anyone tell me the interchange cam shaft number for the ford c6oz-6250-b, from other manufactures? comp or crane etc. Which is best for this? thanks as always. |
| Plugging Thermactor holes in heads? -- Craig Nelson, 06/01/2002
I don't need the emissions system to get my '66 428 registered here. I'm rebuilding the engine and need to know about plugging the Thermactor holes in the heads. Any advice? |
| | RE: Plugging Thermactor holes in heads? -- Joel, 06/01/2002
You can buy NOS ford thermactor plugs off eBay. They're pricy though. Not sure if anyone manufactures them. |
| | RE: Plugging Thermactor holes in heads? -- Mustang Mike, 06/02/2002
I used some 5/16 inverted flare steel plugs to fill my holes, got them a while back, don't remember how much but they were inexpensive. They are made by Au-ve-co Products Company, part # 47, come 10 to a box, I got mine from Dearborn Fastener Corp. 1-800-423-8880. |
| | Mustangs Plus has them -- rkutzner, 06/06/2002
They're about $28 for the set, but look nice and have the perfect angle to really seal those holes good. If you can, make sure you pull the tubes that are actually partially blocking you exhaust port. I had the exhaust manifolds off and it was still a trick! |
| | You can also use reg. bolts w/ ball bearings.[n/m] -- Mr F, 06/06/2002
n/m |
| | | damn, but you do come up with some good ideas! N/M -- hawkrod, 06/06/2002
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| | RE: Plugging Thermactor holes in heads? -- cougargt, 06/08/2002
use regular allen head pipe plugs |
| | | don't use allen head pipe plugs unless.... -- hawkrod, 06/08/2002
you put ball bearings under them like MR F said. the plug does not seat to the bottom and the bottom of the hole will corrode and fill with crap and someday you or the next guy will want to get that plug out for some obscure reason. sometimes doing it right can be so easy, hawkrod |
| | RE: Plugging Thermactor holes in heads? -- DennyR, 06/08/2002
I used the pipe plugs but had to grind the bottom threads off to get the plug to mate at the bottom. I then ground the hump out on the inside and you can't tell there was a hole there on the inside. Denny |
| | | RE: Plugging Thermactor holes in heads? -- DennyR, 06/08/2002
Sorry, they were not pipe plugs they were set screws. Denny |
| Head Games: C6AE-J and C8AE-H on same engine? -- Craig Nelson, 06/01/2002
I've got two different heads on my '66 428. The machine shop says the J and H have slightly different chamber volumes. Should I rebuilt it using these heads or try and find a matching set? |
| | RE: Head Games: C6AE-J and C8AE-H on same engine? -- Bob, 06/01/2002
I pulled a C4AE-G and a C8AE-H off a good running (other that a loud and bad wrist pin) 390. Very different heads but the engine ran well.
But I will still use a matched set of heads on any engine I build. |
| | where did you get it? -- Greg, 06/02/2002
I had one similiar about a year ago. |
| | | from Vacaville, CA about 2 years ago -- Craig Nelson, 06/02/2002
This is an original California '66 7-litre Galaxie 2 door hardtop I bought about 2 years ago. It has 110K original miles and I thought the engine had never been apart. It had genuine Ford head gaskets when I took it apart. So any suggestions on finding a replacement C6AE-J head? |
| | | | So are C6AE-R heads a good choice for my '66 428? -- Craig Nelson, 06/03/2002
I found a set of C6AE-R heads already rebuilt at a local machine shop. They even look like they have the tall intake ports unlike the smaller ones on the mismatched C6AR-J and L heads that I have now. Plus these "R" heads don't have the Thermactor airholes that I would need to be plugged. However, my "How to Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines" book by Steve Christ (bedtime reading for the past week) indicates that C6AE-R heads were only for '66 352 engines.
Can anyone tell me if these would be a good choice for my 7-litre Galaxie rebuild. Also any idea on fair price for a set of rebuilt heads (I want to keep the heads with the air holes in case I ever need to return it to stock.
I'm in full agreement with Pat Ganahl author of "Ford Performance" when he begins the FE Big-Block head section with the sentence: "Here's where things start to get complicated, or at least confusing."
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| | | | | RE: So are C6AE-R heads a good choice for my '66 428? -- Bob, 06/03/2002
They are good heads and came on every FE engine. "Ford Pefrorrmance" has a number of minor errors like this. Those heads should be fine. |
| | | | | | RE: So are C6AE-R heads a good choice for my '66 428? -- old goofy dude, 06/07/2002
C6AE-R heads were the factory standard head for the 1966 7 Liter (428) engines.
They are essentially a Low Riser CJ head.
Hope this bit of trivia adds to the knowledge base!
OGD |
| | | | | | | It's more likely that... -- Dave Shoe, 06/07/2002
...C6AE-R heads came on about 1/3 of 7-Liter FEs back in 1966-67. I believe about the same percentage of 352 pickups got this head as did 7-Liter cars.
C6AE-R heads seem to have been found on 1/3 of all FEs back in these two years. There seems to have been no regard for the displacement of the engine which got the heads. Ford did not seem to consider the C6AE-R it to be a performance head, and frankly it never got the "poor mans race head" reputation until the CJ hit the streets a couple years later.
Back in 1966 or 1967, if you wanted a race head, you plopped a hundred bucks on the Ford dealer's counter for a pair of 427 heads, and you got to choose whether they were LR, MR, or HR.
Shoe. |
| 67 390 valve adjustment -- Anthony, 05/31/2002
Can someone please run through the proper method for adjusting hydraulic valves on an older 390 with it running.
Thanks. |
| mini SOHC III -- Mike McQuesten, 05/31/2002
Here's the combustion chambers of Dick Flynn's Single Over Head Cam 427 ( 4 1/16" X 3.58") = 358 heads. The block started out as a standard bore hydraulic side oiler service block.
He was in the process of cc'ing the last chamber on this particular head. This particular chamber was 116.3 cc's; the others were close but will all be exactly the same when he's through with the cc'ing.
I believe the valves are Ferrera.
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| | | RE:hot Rods -- Mike McQuesten, 05/31/2002
And here's a few of the 14 rods Dick made from the one piece of material he had available at the time of production.
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| | | | RE:top-o-those slugs -- Mike McQuesten, 05/31/2002
Last shot of this day, again 352 overbore, 4 1/16" pistons of Flynn's creation.
Dick is triple checking and further blue printing in preparation for a near future dyno flog.
Then it's back into the true Henry's steel '32 Roadster once owned and run by the Markley brothers out of Californina. The very modified '32 is now owned by Gary Harms, Dick's partner in this continuing Bonneville Salt Flats venture.
As I left today I pointed to my lowly 391 sitting by Dick's bench waiting for its mods and I said, "Wouldn't that be a great candidate for modification to accept those old relic '66 427 SOHC heads setting over there?"
Dick smiled. He didn't say no.
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