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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24488&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>which carbs to use BJ/BK or BC/BD?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Greg Westphall, <i>04/08/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>My dad is putting together a 427 with a 428 crank in a full size 1967 Mercury.  He is going with 3.0:1 axle A/T, 6250-C camshaft, Edelbrock 427 style aluminum heads, 427 Long length cast iron exhaust manifolds and the Blue Thunder dual Quad Intake.  He wanted me to ask this forum which would be the best carb selection for this dual quad application, the 600 cfm or the 715 cfm?  His intended use is spirited highway type cruising and good all around street performance.  He is not looking for a 1/4 mile burner as can be seen by his axle selection.  Thanks for any input. </blockquote> which carbs to use BJ/BK or BC/BD? -- Greg Westphall, 04/08/2005
My dad is putting together a 427 with a 428 crank in a full size 1967 Mercury. He is going with 3.0:1 axle A/T, 6250-C camshaft, Edelbrock 427 style aluminum heads, 427 Long length cast iron exhaust manifolds and the Blue Thunder dual Quad Intake. He wanted me to ask this forum which would be the best carb selection for this dual quad application, the 600 cfm or the 715 cfm? His intended use is spirited highway type cruising and good all around street performance. He is not looking for a 1/4 mile burner as can be seen by his axle selection. Thanks for any input.
 My suggestion is BJ/BK based on: -- Wayne K., 04/08/2005

I've read many times that the smaller BJ/BK carbs are a much better street setup and hold their own in moderate street/strip setups as well. I bought a set of BK/BJ's because so may people seem to like them and a couple of folks said they do well on the dyno. I haven't installed mine yet. As I peer down the 8 barrels they look fairly small, but, there ARE 8 of them after all...

I would imagine that a stroker 427 could handle the bigger carbs if it weren't for the tall gearing.

Wayne K.
Building a 416
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24497&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I use the BJ /BK</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>04/10/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>The BC / BD's are not much different. If you are buying new ones the BJ/BK's are better for a street application. <br><br>The old timey Fomoco cam grind is a poor choice in my opinion. Lots of newer grinds by Comp Cams or others will get you better street manners and more horsepower. Those old factory grinds had low lift, tight LSA and long seat - to seat duration. Modern cams have steeper ramps, wider LSA and more lift for better cylinder filling so while seat - to - seat numbers might look similar the .050" numbers are way different.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> I use the BJ /BK -- Royce, 04/10/2005
The BC / BD's are not much different. If you are buying new ones the BJ/BK's are better for a street application.

The old timey Fomoco cam grind is a poor choice in my opinion. Lots of newer grinds by Comp Cams or others will get you better street manners and more horsepower. Those old factory grinds had low lift, tight LSA and long seat - to seat duration. Modern cams have steeper ramps, wider LSA and more lift for better cylinder filling so while seat - to - seat numbers might look similar the .050" numbers are way different.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24502&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What camshaft might you recommend?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Greg Westphall, <i>04/10/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks to both of you for the carb choice recommendation.  Makes sense.<br>In a car this heavy and the requirement for good vacuum at idle tall gears, (3.00:1) and A/T with stock stall do you have a specific camshaft recomendation?  Any help in this area would be beneficial.<br>Thanks Again,<br>Greg<br><br> </blockquote> What camshaft might you recommend? -- Greg Westphall, 04/10/2005
Thanks to both of you for the carb choice recommendation. Makes sense.
In a car this heavy and the requirement for good vacuum at idle tall gears, (3.00:1) and A/T with stock stall do you have a specific camshaft recomendation? Any help in this area would be beneficial.
Thanks Again,
Greg

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24506&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: What camshaft might you recommend?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>04/10/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>i,d atleast go to 2.25 gears or 3.50S the cam maybe a comp 265h or the 270h campackage. </blockquote> RE: What camshaft might you recommend? -- giacamo, 04/10/2005
i,d atleast go to 2.25 gears or 3.50S the cam maybe a comp 265h or the 270h campackage.
 RE: What camshaft might you recommend? -- walt, 04/26/2005
i got a c8ax d cam,if some of the markings don't follow the engle cam marks and stamps,might be an interesting research
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24507&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: What camshaft might you recommend?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>04/10/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>## 3.25 gears not 2.25 gears......... </blockquote> RE: What camshaft might you recommend? -- giacamo, 04/10/2005
## 3.25 gears not 2.25 gears.........
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24511&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Agree with Giacamo. N/M</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>04/10/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote> </blockquote> Agree with Giacamo. N/M -- Royce, 04/10/2005
 I can't convince him (dad) to change -- Greg Westphall, 04/10/2005
to a lower gear. A 3.25:1 would be a great choice for him but he insists on a 3.0:1 or even taller. He is interested in making long trips in the car once he retires and does not have overdrive so he feels the tall gears are a requirement. A gearvendors O/D may be in his future if I can talk him into it. Then he might go with lower gears. He and I made a trip to Talledega for the Aero Warriors Reunion in his old (he bought it new) 1969 Cyclone CJ which I bought from him and restored. It has 3.5:1 gears and was a real screamer at 75 mph. We were both wishing for taller gears by the end of the trip. He is much less interested in a stop light grand prix and more interested in interstate crusing with a very strong passing gear.

Thanks for the camshaft recommendation. I will look closely at the Comp Cams offerings suggested.
Greg
 RE: What camshaft might you recommend? -- rick, 04/20/2005
i have a 428 pi from a 69 galaxie that was rebuilt about 40,000 miles back, it has the big intake ports, headers, edelbrock performer intake,750 holley. i took it out of my 4 wheel drive and putting it in a 2 wheel drive with 3.25 gears. i put a new cam, lifters, chain and gears in it. i got a cam recomendation from comp cams, they said to go with the
FB 268H-10, part #33-224-3. they sell it as a kit also. they said it is a big torque cam with good idle.
give them a call or download their recomendation form, fill it out and mail or fax it to them. they are very good.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24522&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>CFM formula</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>04/11/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Take the radius of the bore squred times pie times the length of the stroke times the number of cylinders.  This computes the CID.  You need to figure  this out because it will change every time the motor bore and stroke changes.<br><br>R Sqrd X Pie X length X # cyl= CID.<br><br>Take the CID and divide it by 1728.There are 1728 CI's for every cubic foot.  Since CFM deals with cubic feet you convert this.  <br><br>427/1728=.247=CFD<br><br>What you need to know now is the the MAX RPM, redline RPM.<br><br>Take the CFD and multiply by half of the MAX RPM this will give you the proper CFM carb for the motor.  Lets say the redline is 5500 RPM.<br><br>.247 X (5500/2)= CFM<br><br>.247 X 2750=679 CFM </blockquote> CFM formula -- Bob, 04/11/2005
Take the radius of the bore squred times pie times the length of the stroke times the number of cylinders. This computes the CID. You need to figure this out because it will change every time the motor bore and stroke changes.

R Sqrd X Pie X length X # cyl= CID.

Take the CID and divide it by 1728.There are 1728 CI's for every cubic foot. Since CFM deals with cubic feet you convert this.

427/1728=.247=CFD

What you need to know now is the the MAX RPM, redline RPM.

Take the CFD and multiply by half of the MAX RPM this will give you the proper CFM carb for the motor. Lets say the redline is 5500 RPM.

.247 X (5500/2)= CFM

.247 X 2750=679 CFM
 Btw -- Bob, 04/11/2005
I like Holley. Not sure if you are doing concourse resto but IMHO you can't beat a Holley for the price. I just rebuilt a 750 double pumper for a gal you has a 428 and it runs like a dream, the rebuild was very easy.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24536&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>That CFM formula is for 4V applications</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>04/12/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>How many of us are going to run our 427's to 5500 RPM? Mine are going over 6000 every time they are warmed up if I am driving.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> That CFM formula is for 4V applications -- Royce Peterson, 04/12/2005
How many of us are going to run our 427's to 5500 RPM? Mine are going over 6000 every time they are warmed up if I am driving.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24538&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>This formula is for any Carb Eng</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>04/12/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Dude it works regardless of the Max RPM.  It was an example. </blockquote> This formula is for any Carb Eng -- Bob, 04/12/2005
Dude it works regardless of the Max RPM. It was an example.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24539&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: This formula is for any Carb Eng</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>04/12/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Just plug in half of your max RPM to the actual volume of the engine, what ever your specs are and that is how you compute the CFM rating for a carb. </blockquote> RE: This formula is for any Carb Eng -- Bob, 04/12/2005
Just plug in half of your max RPM to the actual volume of the engine, what ever your specs are and that is how you compute the CFM rating for a carb.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24541&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>The formula provided is for a non compressible fl</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Greg Westphall, <i>04/12/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>The formula that Bob gave us is the theoretical requirements if the engine was pumping a noncompressible fluid such as water or oil.  Air is a fluid but it is a compressible fluid and therefore the same rules do not apply.  I took fluid dynamics in Engineering school but that was a while back and my design experience is limited to stress and strain calculations but I seem to remember that we need to account for the temperature and pressure conditions on both side of the carb.  I also seem to remember that you can treat the air as an ideal gas which may simplify the equations somewhat.  That is about all I remember.  If someone in the forum is an HVAC Engineer they would know the related formula.   </blockquote> The formula provided is for a non compressible fl -- Greg Westphall, 04/12/2005
The formula that Bob gave us is the theoretical requirements if the engine was pumping a noncompressible fluid such as water or oil. Air is a fluid but it is a compressible fluid and therefore the same rules do not apply. I took fluid dynamics in Engineering school but that was a while back and my design experience is limited to stress and strain calculations but I seem to remember that we need to account for the temperature and pressure conditions on both side of the carb. I also seem to remember that you can treat the air as an ideal gas which may simplify the equations somewhat. That is about all I remember. If someone in the forum is an HVAC Engineer they would know the related formula.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24542&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Sometimes practical experience counts for more...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>04/12/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>than theory.  You're right, Greg but you don't need equations to prove it.  If you use the numbers, a Pro Stock engine could easily get by with just one Dominator.  In fact, it would still be considered "overcarbed."<br><br>The ideal method is to look for no more than 1.5"/hg pressure drop at WOT at peak VE.  I doubt you can get below 3" using the formula.<br><br>I know my warmed up 390 runs a whole lot better with a 750 cfm carb on it than the formula's 600 cfm...or less. </blockquote> Sometimes practical experience counts for more... -- Gerry Proctor, 04/12/2005
than theory. You're right, Greg but you don't need equations to prove it. If you use the numbers, a Pro Stock engine could easily get by with just one Dominator. In fact, it would still be considered "overcarbed."

The ideal method is to look for no more than 1.5"/hg pressure drop at WOT at peak VE. I doubt you can get below 3" using the formula.

I know my warmed up 390 runs a whole lot better with a 750 cfm carb on it than the formula's 600 cfm...or less.
 RE: Sometimes practical experience counts for more... -- Bob, 04/15/2005
It depends on the RPM range your engine runs best at. This formula was taken out of a book that was written from a racer in the 60's. I don't remember the author or title but this formula has never failed me yet.
 RE: Sometimes practical experience counts for more... -- walt, 04/16/2005
750 has to be a double pumper ,works good with a stisk shift car,not an auto,you can run a 3310 780 holley on the auto or stick,it has vacuum secondaries,and it can be tailored to the way you want the secondaries to open
 RE: The formula provided is for a non compressible fl -- rick, 04/20/2005
http://www.sh3d.com/ss/calculators.asp?showcalc=cfmneed

this should take you to a cfm calculator. let someone else do the math. ;-)
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24558&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>It sure doesn't work for an 8V 427.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>04/13/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>The smallest carbs Fomoco ever installed on the 427 were the C3AF 9510-BJ and -BK. They were rated at either 595 CFM each or 600 CFM each in single 4V rating. The vacuum drop across each carburetor is different when two of them are on the same engine. This is why a 2V carburetor uses a different vacuum drop for rating CFM. The formula you are using assumes 4 venturis, not 8.<br><br>The BJ - BK carbs are adequate for a mildly modified 427 and are extremely responsive, much like a 600 CFM carb on a 390.<br><br>Royce   </blockquote> It sure doesn't work for an 8V 427. -- Royce, 04/13/2005
The smallest carbs Fomoco ever installed on the 427 were the C3AF 9510-BJ and -BK. They were rated at either 595 CFM each or 600 CFM each in single 4V rating. The vacuum drop across each carburetor is different when two of them are on the same engine. This is why a 2V carburetor uses a different vacuum drop for rating CFM. The formula you are using assumes 4 venturis, not 8.

The BJ - BK carbs are adequate for a mildly modified 427 and are extremely responsive, much like a 600 CFM carb on a 390.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24560&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Guess I am saying it wrong.....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>04/13/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>The formula you are giving is for airflow into an engine. You are assuming that because the carbs in an 8V application are rated at 600 CFM they will flow 600 CFM. In fact they don't because the vacuum is lower since there are now twice as many venturis. <br><br>Make sense? If not I don't care because theory is great until experience proves what works best.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> Guess I am saying it wrong..... -- Royce, 04/13/2005
The formula you are giving is for airflow into an engine. You are assuming that because the carbs in an 8V application are rated at 600 CFM they will flow 600 CFM. In fact they don't because the vacuum is lower since there are now twice as many venturis.

Make sense? If not I don't care because theory is great until experience proves what works best.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24575&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Gee, now you're responding crankily to yourself. :-) [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/13/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Gee, now you're responding crankily to yourself. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/13/2005
n/m
 Lol! n/m -- Royce, 04/14/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24587&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: which carbs to use BJ/BK or BC/BD?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/16/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>the c8ax -c cam,needs a bit more gear to work,like a 350,391,ps where did he find that old cam?i had one that worked pretty good </blockquote> RE: which carbs to use BJ/BK or BC/BD? -- walt, 04/16/2005
the c8ax -c cam,needs a bit more gear to work,like a 350,391,ps where did he find that old cam?i had one that worked pretty good
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24597&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Not original camshaft, Oregon Cam Grinders</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Greg Westphall, <i>04/16/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>is where he is going to source the cam from.  It has not arrived yet.  Sorry to mislead.<br>Greg </blockquote> Not original camshaft, Oregon Cam Grinders -- Greg Westphall, 04/16/2005
is where he is going to source the cam from. It has not arrived yet. Sorry to mislead.
Greg
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24632&Reply=24488><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>.050 duration 6250-B & 6250-C Cams</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Greg Westphall, <i>04/18/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I tried to search for the .050 duration specs on this site and was unable to find them.  Ken Heard from Oregon Cam Grinders  provided them--here they are for both cams.  The B cam's is 205/219 the C cam is 220/230 </blockquote> .050 duration 6250-B & 6250-C Cams -- Greg Westphall, 04/18/2005
I tried to search for the .050 duration specs on this site and was unable to find them. Ken Heard from Oregon Cam Grinders provided them--here they are for both cams. The B cam's is 205/219 the C cam is 220/230
 RE: .050 duration 6250-B & 6250-C Cams -- walt, 04/24/2005
ford set theirs at .100 tappet lift,i checked a C4cam at .050it was about 20 btc,and at 0 btc at .100
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24483&Reply=24483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>snake valve covers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mike, <i>04/08/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Branda shelby has recieved the cobra jet snake valve covers if any one is intrested </blockquote> snake valve covers -- mike, 04/08/2005
Branda shelby has recieved the cobra jet snake valve covers if any one is intrested
 UPDATE: new snake valve covers -- mike, 04/18/2005
If are thinking about buying the snake cobra jet valve covers from Branda shelby I would wait a little bit on it.Mine havent come in yet but I am hearing from other people who have gotten them say the quality is pretty bad.

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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24473&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 sputtering from dead dig</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve M, <i>04/07/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just got my car out of storage and if I bury the pedal from a light, it sputters and I smell a little fuel. It is a 390 with a 7 month old edelbrock 600 carb, performer manifold and headers. I used sta-bil in the tank when I stored it. I used all the gas in it and put in some 94 to see if it would help but it still does it. I have to let off of the gas and ease into it when it happens. It doesnt happen all of the time and never from a roll. I put new wires,plugs,points in it also before storage. Any suggestions on what would cause this? <br> </blockquote> 390 sputtering from dead dig -- Steve M, 04/07/2005
I just got my car out of storage and if I bury the pedal from a light, it sputters and I smell a little fuel. It is a 390 with a 7 month old edelbrock 600 carb, performer manifold and headers. I used sta-bil in the tank when I stored it. I used all the gas in it and put in some 94 to see if it would help but it still does it. I have to let off of the gas and ease into it when it happens. It doesnt happen all of the time and never from a roll. I put new wires,plugs,points in it also before storage. Any suggestions on what would cause this?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24475&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>04/07/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Since your car was stored, a fuel problem is likely.  However, most problems are ignition related.  Try cleaning the points with a bit of emery paper first.  Wires are new, so not too likely a problem there.  But try running the car at night anyway, and look for spark leakage around the wires, coil, etc.  As far as fuel goes, try a little alcohol in the tank as there may be water in it due to condensation.  Next is to clean the carb.  Oh, one other thing.....make sure some squirrel didn't load your air cleaner full of acorns.  This has happened to me more than once.....chuckle. </blockquote> RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig -- John, 04/07/2005
Since your car was stored, a fuel problem is likely. However, most problems are ignition related. Try cleaning the points with a bit of emery paper first. Wires are new, so not too likely a problem there. But try running the car at night anyway, and look for spark leakage around the wires, coil, etc. As far as fuel goes, try a little alcohol in the tank as there may be water in it due to condensation. Next is to clean the carb. Oh, one other thing.....make sure some squirrel didn't load your air cleaner full of acorns. This has happened to me more than once.....chuckle.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24476&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve M, <i>04/07/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I will check the points again and drive it at night looking for sparks. Thanks. I was hoping it wasnt the new carb.  </blockquote> RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig -- Steve M, 04/07/2005
I will check the points again and drive it at night looking for sparks. Thanks. I was hoping it wasnt the new carb.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24478&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Martin Micheelsen, <i>04/07/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Do you have an in-line fuel filter ?<br><br>After my Cougar had sat for some years there was rust in the gas tank. The rust particles then clogged the tightest places in my E-brock carb.  An in-line filter is less than $6 and easy to install.  <br><br>In less than half an hour you can take the top of the carb and look to see if there is red crud below the floats and the accelerator pump plunger. <br><br>If you find rust in there, it is time to use a manly compressor to help blow it out of all the spaces it can hide inside the carb. </blockquote> RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig -- Martin Micheelsen, 04/07/2005
Do you have an in-line fuel filter ?

After my Cougar had sat for some years there was rust in the gas tank. The rust particles then clogged the tightest places in my E-brock carb. An in-line filter is less than $6 and easy to install.

In less than half an hour you can take the top of the carb and look to see if there is red crud below the floats and the accelerator pump plunger.

If you find rust in there, it is time to use a manly compressor to help blow it out of all the spaces it can hide inside the carb.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24479&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve M, <i>04/07/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I will pull my filter and see if there is anything in there. If it looks like it is clogged, I will yank the top off of that carb. Thanks </blockquote> RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig -- Steve M, 04/07/2005
I will pull my filter and see if there is anything in there. If it looks like it is clogged, I will yank the top off of that carb. Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24480&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Martin Micheelsen, <i>04/07/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Even though the E=brock carb in theory is jettet right out-of-the box that is not necessary the case. I have had to lean out the E-brock 1407 on a 390 IP quite a bit. I am using the E-brock calibration kit + a Colortune see-through sparkplug from Eastwood.  <br><br>I am not done with the process, but I am pretty sure that my stumble off the line has to do with it being fed too much gas. If I change the step-up springs to the softer ones the stumble is less.  </blockquote> RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig -- Martin Micheelsen, 04/07/2005
Even though the E=brock carb in theory is jettet right out-of-the box that is not necessary the case. I have had to lean out the E-brock 1407 on a 390 IP quite a bit. I am using the E-brock calibration kit + a Colortune see-through sparkplug from Eastwood.

I am not done with the process, but I am pretty sure that my stumble off the line has to do with it being fed too much gas. If I change the step-up springs to the softer ones the stumble is less.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24484&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Do those springs come with the calibration kits?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve M, <i>04/08/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Do you get just the jets, or do you get springs also with that kit?  </blockquote> Do those springs come with the calibration kits? -- Steve M, 04/08/2005
Do you get just the jets, or do you get springs also with that kit?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24485&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Do those springs come with the calibration kits?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Martin Micheelsen, <i>04/08/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>There are also 4 - 5 different springs in the kit. To my frustration very soft springs = only little extra fuel in the power mode helps the off-line stumple, but hurst the part-throttle power mode at higher speeds.  I need to spend some more time with the Colortune kit to get the calibration just right - then I hope that either the stumble goes away or that I can find its source.  It is almost non-existant when the engine is cold, which leads me to believe that the mixture is still too rich. </blockquote> RE: Do those springs come with the calibration kits? -- Martin Micheelsen, 04/08/2005
There are also 4 - 5 different springs in the kit. To my frustration very soft springs = only little extra fuel in the power mode helps the off-line stumple, but hurst the part-throttle power mode at higher speeds. I need to spend some more time with the Colortune kit to get the calibration just right - then I hope that either the stumble goes away or that I can find its source. It is almost non-existant when the engine is cold, which leads me to believe that the mixture is still too rich.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24491&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>My stumbling is after warm up also.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve M, <i>04/09/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>My problem is after it warms up also and it smells like gas a little bit also. I just assumed that the carb was ok since it was not even a year old </blockquote> My stumbling is after warm up also. -- Steve M, 04/09/2005
My problem is after it warms up also and it smells like gas a little bit also. I just assumed that the carb was ok since it was not even a year old
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24524&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: My stumbling is after warm up also.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>04/11/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Check your Accelerator pump.  It maybe sticky. </blockquote> RE: My stumbling is after warm up also. -- Bob, 04/11/2005
Check your Accelerator pump. It maybe sticky.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24529&Reply=24473><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Interestingly enough ...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>04/11/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just started my 428 after having it sit since last October.  Doesn't really have that snap to it like it did last fall.  But I know once I fill the tank with new gas and drive it for a while, it will be fine.  If you havn't found anything so far, I suggest you might see if it improves once you've put a tankful of gas through it.  Gas additive (cleaner) wouldn't hurt anything.....only a couple of bucks to try it with the new gas.  Stabilizer....hmmm....maybe it doesn't do such a good job? </blockquote> Interestingly enough ... -- John, 04/11/2005
I just started my 428 after having it sit since last October. Doesn't really have that snap to it like it did last fall. But I know once I fill the tank with new gas and drive it for a while, it will be fine. If you havn't found anything so far, I suggest you might see if it improves once you've put a tankful of gas through it. Gas additive (cleaner) wouldn't hurt anything.....only a couple of bucks to try it with the new gas. Stabilizer....hmmm....maybe it doesn't do such a good job?
 RE: Interestingly enough ... -- Steve M, 04/16/2005
I finally got the gas burned out of it and am on a new tank of sunoco 94 so we will see if this works. I am putting a new cap,rotors and points in it too.
 RE: 390 sputtering from dead dig -- walt, 04/16/2005
too many things to go wrong with metering rods and springs,thats why i stayed with the old holleys,check your accelerator pump,might not be putting in enough of a off idle squirt
 Newby question, is the original radiator.. -- ponyboy, 04/06/2005
in my 67 Fe a 2,3,or 4 row?

Thanks.

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24463&Reply=24463><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>58 Interceptor Head Casting dates?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>04/05/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I can't figure out the casting date codes for 1958 Interceptor heads.  I'm hoping there's some early FE guys still out there(Shoe, you still around?).<br><br>Here's what I've got, all EDC-E heads:<br><br>matched set with 79  N  (these are from a '58 352 Interceptor Thunderbird Special, solid lifters, Country Sedan wagon produced 10/18/57).<br><br>matched set of 7BR  (these are from a '58 332 Interceptor Special, 265 horse 4V, hydraulic lifters, Custom Tudor produced 12/27/57).<br><br>Plus three "extras" -<br><br>one 7B Q<br>one 79N<br>one 79J<br><br>I've exhausted all of my resources on trying to figure out Ford-Edsel's casting date codes for these early heads.<br><br>Why does it matter?  I can't explain that.  I just gotta know. </blockquote> 58 Interceptor Head Casting dates? -- McQ, 04/05/2005
I can't figure out the casting date codes for 1958 Interceptor heads. I'm hoping there's some early FE guys still out there(Shoe, you still around?).

Here's what I've got, all EDC-E heads:

matched set with 79 N (these are from a '58 352 Interceptor Thunderbird Special, solid lifters, Country Sedan wagon produced 10/18/57).

matched set of 7BR (these are from a '58 332 Interceptor Special, 265 horse 4V, hydraulic lifters, Custom Tudor produced 12/27/57).

Plus three "extras" -

one 7B Q
one 79N
one 79J

I've exhausted all of my resources on trying to figure out Ford-Edsel's casting date codes for these early heads.

Why does it matter? I can't explain that. I just gotta know.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24465&Reply=24463><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 58 Interceptor Head Casting dates?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>04/06/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi Mike!<br><br>Here's a blurb I saved a while ago that talks about casting and assembly date codes.  Can't remember where I got it but read thru it a few times and see if it makes sense.<br><br>1958 Engine Coding<br><br>I have been following the question of date-coding '58 motors, and finally found time to offer what I'm aware of. According to Management Service Letter M-167a, the casting date of motor block for the 352 is supposed to be cast on the side or the front of the block, with the engine's assembly date stamped on a machined pad/boss just below and forward of the #1 cylinder exhaust port on the driver's front corner of the block (the dipstick tube passes by it).<br> <br>Casting codes were also given in the bulletins. In '58, the block casting date can be found either on the front surface of the block to the right of the water pump or on the right side of the block in the area of the #1 cylinder. For instance, 8AS:2 translates into 8=1958; A=November; S=18th Day of Month; 2=Casting shift.<br> <br>The coding should include year, month, work shift and date along with assembly plant code.<br> <br>To quote the Bulletin for the casting date: "...codes use a number to indicate the year. The second figure may be either a number or letter to indicate the month as follows: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-A-B. The third symbol is either a screw head for Cleveland built units (flat for the day shift or round for the night shift) or a letter for Dearborn built units to denote the day of the month (A through Z with the exception of I, and inverted A through F).<br> <br>An illustration is also shown for the assembly date code. For example, it gives 3-8BFP. The first figure indicates the assembly plant (1-Cleveland Plant #1, 2-Cleveland Plant #2, 3-Dearborn Engine Plant); the second digit indicates year; third digit indicates month, and fourth digit indicates day. The fifth digit is a mark assigned to an inspector at the plant. <br>Therefore, 3-8BFP translates to: 3=Dearborn Engine Plant; 8=1958; B=February; F= 5th day of month; P=Inspector's Code<br> <br>The 430's assembly date is supposed to be stamped on the block in front of the left head, according to the '60 bulletin M-204.<br> <br>Additional cast codes on the block: DIF means Dearborn Industrial Foundry, while Cleveland-cast blocks have a C and L imposed on each other (similar to the symbol for Center Line). An engine's casting foundry can also be ID'd as follows: all 352 blocks have the number 5750603 cast on the right side of the area of #1 cylinder: Dearborn cast this number upside down, Cleveland right side up. The 430's were all cast at Dearborn, have number 5752001 cast on the right side of the area of #1 cylinder and have "DIF" foundry marks. <br> </blockquote> RE: 58 Interceptor Head Casting dates? -- Barry B, 04/06/2005
Hi Mike!

Here's a blurb I saved a while ago that talks about casting and assembly date codes. Can't remember where I got it but read thru it a few times and see if it makes sense.

1958 Engine Coding

I have been following the question of date-coding '58 motors, and finally found time to offer what I'm aware of. According to Management Service Letter M-167a, the casting date of motor block for the 352 is supposed to be cast on the side or the front of the block, with the engine's assembly date stamped on a machined pad/boss just below and forward of the #1 cylinder exhaust port on the driver's front corner of the block (the dipstick tube passes by it).

Casting codes were also given in the bulletins. In '58, the block casting date can be found either on the front surface of the block to the right of the water pump or on the right side of the block in the area of the #1 cylinder. For instance, 8AS:2 translates into 8=1958; A=November; S=18th Day of Month; 2=Casting shift.

The coding should include year, month, work shift and date along with assembly plant code.

To quote the Bulletin for the casting date: "...codes use a number to indicate the year. The second figure may be either a number or letter to indicate the month as follows: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-A-B. The third symbol is either a screw head for Cleveland built units (flat for the day shift or round for the night shift) or a letter for Dearborn built units to denote the day of the month (A through Z with the exception of I, and inverted A through F).

An illustration is also shown for the assembly date code. For example, it gives 3-8BFP. The first figure indicates the assembly plant (1-Cleveland Plant #1, 2-Cleveland Plant #2, 3-Dearborn Engine Plant); the second digit indicates year; third digit indicates month, and fourth digit indicates day. The fifth digit is a mark assigned to an inspector at the plant.
Therefore, 3-8BFP translates to: 3=Dearborn Engine Plant; 8=1958; B=February; F= 5th day of month; P=Inspector's Code

The 430's assembly date is supposed to be stamped on the block in front of the left head, according to the '60 bulletin M-204.

Additional cast codes on the block: DIF means Dearborn Industrial Foundry, while Cleveland-cast blocks have a C and L imposed on each other (similar to the symbol for Center Line). An engine's casting foundry can also be ID'd as follows: all 352 blocks have the number 5750603 cast on the right side of the area of #1 cylinder: Dearborn cast this number upside down, Cleveland right side up. The 430's were all cast at Dearborn, have number 5752001 cast on the right side of the area of #1 cylinder and have "DIF" foundry marks.
 RE:this is right on! -- McQ, 04/06/2005
Thanks Barry, I think you've provided exactly what I need to figure this '58 stuff out. What a crazy, complicated system in use back in those days, huh?

I've printed your fine response/information out so I can have it at hand for reference.

These two '58s I'm thinking of selling locally & ebay. I'd like to have the facts for my personal use and to prove the engines/heads are the originals to these two cars.

The '58 Custom(It's not a 300)tudor would make a great early 60's style gasser - no front bumper, radiused rear wheel wells, a built 352 with stick & 4.56's out back, slicks & skinny's up front. It's got some rust, hence, my idea of cutting the rear wheel wells.

Thanks again.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24585&Reply=24463><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 58 Interceptor Head Casting dates?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/16/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>the oddone is the58 edsel head,starts with E,machined combustion chamber,and freeze plugs in the face of the heads </blockquote> RE: 58 Interceptor Head Casting dates? -- walt, 04/16/2005
the oddone is the58 edsel head,starts with E,machined combustion chamber,and freeze plugs in the face of the heads
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24596&Reply=24463><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 58 Interceptor Head Casting dates?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>04/16/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Earliest head I've got a pic of are EDC-E cast on July 11, 1957.  Has freeze plugs and machined chambers.  Would post a pic but I don't see how to do it now, something changed? </blockquote> RE: 58 Interceptor Head Casting dates? -- Barry B, 04/16/2005
Earliest head I've got a pic of are EDC-E cast on July 11, 1957. Has freeze plugs and machined chambers. Would post a pic but I don't see how to do it now, something changed?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24600&Reply=24463><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:EDC-E/core plugs</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>04/16/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I'm not positive on this but I think all of the early '58 heads were EDC-E whether Ford or Edsel.  <br><br>Speaking of the freeze/core plugs on the ends of the heads, I mistakenly thought at one time that these plugs were exclusive to all EDC-E machined cc heads or that all machined cc heads had to have them.  I was wrong!  I'm not sure when Ford quit casting the heads with these plugs but here's a strange turn that I was able to figure out due to Barry's information:<br><br>The set that I have from a 10/17/57 production '58 wagon, have a 79  N casting date which works out to be 9/13/57.  This matched set, which I think are original to this '58 Country Sedan, have the freeze plugs. And the EDC- E casting between the center spark plugs is a small letter with the date code right next to this.  These heads with the small letter edc-e are Dearborn foundry castings.  Then I have a single head, small letter edc-e with date code, 79  J, which is 9/9/57, and NO freeze plug holes!  So it's an earlier Dearborn foundry casting without the plugs.  <br><br>The Cleveland foundry castings have much larger EDC-E cast between the middle plugs, with the date code cast "normally" inside the head.<br><br>So what's this all mean?  Probably very little to the Farilane/Mustang crowd, but to us Ford-Edsel FEnatics, just more information!  Can't have enough of that.....right. </blockquote> RE:EDC-E/core plugs -- McQ, 04/16/2005
I'm not positive on this but I think all of the early '58 heads were EDC-E whether Ford or Edsel.

Speaking of the freeze/core plugs on the ends of the heads, I mistakenly thought at one time that these plugs were exclusive to all EDC-E machined cc heads or that all machined cc heads had to have them. I was wrong! I'm not sure when Ford quit casting the heads with these plugs but here's a strange turn that I was able to figure out due to Barry's information:

The set that I have from a 10/17/57 production '58 wagon, have a 79 N casting date which works out to be 9/13/57. This matched set, which I think are original to this '58 Country Sedan, have the freeze plugs. And the EDC- E casting between the center spark plugs is a small letter with the date code right next to this. These heads with the small letter edc-e are Dearborn foundry castings. Then I have a single head, small letter edc-e with date code, 79 J, which is 9/9/57, and NO freeze plug holes! So it's an earlier Dearborn foundry casting without the plugs.

The Cleveland foundry castings have much larger EDC-E cast between the middle plugs, with the date code cast "normally" inside the head.

So what's this all mean? Probably very little to the Farilane/Mustang crowd, but to us Ford-Edsel FEnatics, just more information! Can't have enough of that.....right.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=25305&Reply=24463><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>EDC-E revisited</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>07/12/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi Mike!  Are ya still around?  Hope you’re doing well.<br><br>Had a EDC-E question on come up on another board:<br><br><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=74182&messageid=1121049807">http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=74182&messageid=1121049807</a><br><br>and thought you might be interested.  I'm trying to get a handle on the relationships of core plugs & machined chambers as far as the date codes and where the date codes are located but I can't find any patterns.  Here's a partial list of all the heads talked about so far:<br><br>EDC-E heads<br><br>77L, 7/11/57, Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Cleveland Foundry, Date Code Outside (Barry)<br>79J, 9/09/57, No Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Dearborn Foundry, Date Code Outside (Mike)<br>79N, 9/13/57, Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Dearborn Foundry, Date Code Outside (Mike)<br>7BQ, 12/16/57, Need more info (Mike)<br>7BR, 12/17/57, Need more info (Mike)<br>82F, 2/06/58, No Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Cleveland Foundry, Date Code Outside (Paul)<br><br>Looks like that “First 90 days of production” for machined chambers is a bunch of bunk!<br>If you don’t mind Mike, could you check out your 7BQ and 7BR heads if you still have ‘em so I can fill in the blanks?  And did I get the rest of your heads listed correctly?<br><br>Thanks a lot!  How’s the Sunliner doing?<br><br>Barry<br> </blockquote> EDC-E revisited -- Barry B, 07/12/2005
Hi Mike! Are ya still around? Hope you’re doing well.

Had a EDC-E question on come up on another board:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=74182&messageid=1121049807

and thought you might be interested. I'm trying to get a handle on the relationships of core plugs & machined chambers as far as the date codes and where the date codes are located but I can't find any patterns. Here's a partial list of all the heads talked about so far:

EDC-E heads

77L, 7/11/57, Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Cleveland Foundry, Date Code Outside (Barry)
79J, 9/09/57, No Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Dearborn Foundry, Date Code Outside (Mike)
79N, 9/13/57, Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Dearborn Foundry, Date Code Outside (Mike)
7BQ, 12/16/57, Need more info (Mike)
7BR, 12/17/57, Need more info (Mike)
82F, 2/06/58, No Core Plugs, Machined Chambers, Cleveland Foundry, Date Code Outside (Paul)

Looks like that “First 90 days of production” for machined chambers is a bunch of bunk!
If you don’t mind Mike, could you check out your 7BQ and 7BR heads if you still have ‘em so I can fill in the blanks? And did I get the rest of your heads listed correctly?

Thanks a lot! How’s the Sunliner doing?

Barry
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=25315&Reply=24463><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: EDC-E revisited</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>07/14/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Yes, I'm still lurking around.  Career change has made it more difficult to participate as much but I like to check in to see what's new.<br><br>I'm not sure I can help you a lot but what I have for information is all thanks to you from that post a few months back breaking down the casting codes/dates from a Ford service letter, M-167A.<br><br>Here's what I can tell you:<br><br>7BQ head....cast in Cleveland, 12/16/57, No Core plugs.<br><br>7BR heads....cast in Dearborn, 12/17/57, No Core plugs.<br><br>I agree with you that the use of the EDC-E machined cc heads went way beyond the first 90 days of production.  I believe the non machined cc head is more rare on a '58 Interceptor engine.  I can't remember the casting of a non machined cc head.  <br><br>What I think is that the solid lifter cam was definitely a first 90 day thing.  All had the shell lifters too which worked out fine for blocking the lifter oil passages.<br><br>Which leads to questions as to why FoMoCo even introduced the Interceptor 332/352 with solid lifters when the blocks were drilled for hydraulics.  I'm sure there's lots of speculation of that.<br><br>Thanks for asking about the '60 Sunliner too.  It's coming along nicely.  Front seat's all done and in along with seat belts so that now I can road test it a lot more comfortably.  I'm actually about to get license tabs for it.....this'll be the first time the big drop-top will have been licensed sinced '68.  <br><br> </blockquote> RE: EDC-E revisited -- McQ, 07/14/2005
Yes, I'm still lurking around. Career change has made it more difficult to participate as much but I like to check in to see what's new.

I'm not sure I can help you a lot but what I have for information is all thanks to you from that post a few months back breaking down the casting codes/dates from a Ford service letter, M-167A.

Here's what I can tell you:

7BQ head....cast in Cleveland, 12/16/57, No Core plugs.

7BR heads....cast in Dearborn, 12/17/57, No Core plugs.

I agree with you that the use of the EDC-E machined cc heads went way beyond the first 90 days of production. I believe the non machined cc head is more rare on a '58 Interceptor engine. I can't remember the casting of a non machined cc head.

What I think is that the solid lifter cam was definitely a first 90 day thing. All had the shell lifters too which worked out fine for blocking the lifter oil passages.

Which leads to questions as to why FoMoCo even introduced the Interceptor 332/352 with solid lifters when the blocks were drilled for hydraulics. I'm sure there's lots of speculation of that.

Thanks for asking about the '60 Sunliner too. It's coming along nicely. Front seat's all done and in along with seat belts so that now I can road test it a lot more comfortably. I'm actually about to get license tabs for it.....this'll be the first time the big drop-top will have been licensed sinced '68.

 RE: EDC-E revisited -- Barry B, 07/17/2005
Thanks Mike, glad to see ya around!

I'm making a spreadsheet of all the EDC heads that I come across to try to get a handle on all the differences. So far you've got the most!

You're welcome for that newsletter. I just feel bad about pilfering it and not able to ask permission or give credit to who posted it originally. It was too good a information to leave be. I think it came off the hot rodder's board but that was long ago.

The Sunliner sounds great! Ya got the seat in just in time for summer. Your car is gonna be a standout!! Keep us posted on your progress. Thanks again!
 RE: 427,28,29 cobra jet? -- dave, 02/20/2006
Looking to find information to help me figure out if the motor i have is what i think it is.Need to find out numbers and location of numbers to verify.Would apprecciate any help or othercontacts that could help solve my delemia.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24461&Reply=24461><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Any explanations ......</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walter, <i>04/05/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've contacted the previous 2 owners of my 68 390 GT to verify if the engine was ever replaced.  Both indicated the engine was never replaced or rebuilt. I am the 3rd owner.  The build date on the engine is almost 9 months earlier than the scheduled build date of the vehicle.  Both of these gentlemen seem sincere and I can't think of any reason for them to lie.  Does anyone have a clue what could have happened? </blockquote> Any explanations ...... -- Walter, 04/05/2005
I've contacted the previous 2 owners of my 68 390 GT to verify if the engine was ever replaced. Both indicated the engine was never replaced or rebuilt. I am the 3rd owner. The build date on the engine is almost 9 months earlier than the scheduled build date of the vehicle. Both of these gentlemen seem sincere and I can't think of any reason for them to lie. Does anyone have a clue what could have happened?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24464&Reply=24461><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>'Build date'? To which date-code are you referring, exactly? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/06/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> 'Build date'? To which date-code are you referring, exactly? [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/06/2005
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24466&Reply=24461><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 'Build date'? To which date-code are you referring ...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walter, <i>04/06/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>The date code on the block is 7D18 (18 Apr 1967) and the code on the door tag of the vehicle is 09A (09 Jan 1968). </blockquote> RE: 'Build date'? To which date-code are you referring ... -- Walter, 04/06/2005
The date code on the block is 7D18 (18 Apr 1967) and the code on the door tag of the vehicle is 09A (09 Jan 1968).
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24472&Reply=24461><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I meant, 'Where did you find it'? Meanwhile, see...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/07/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.jcoconsulting.com/ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=594&Reply=591">http://www.jcoconsulting.com/ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=594&Reply=591</a> </blockquote> I meant, 'Where did you find it'? Meanwhile, see... -- Mr F, 04/07/2005
http://www.jcoconsulting.com/ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=594&Reply=591
 RE: I meant, 'Where did you find it'? Meanwhile, see... -- Walter, 04/08/2005
The block build date was located under the oil filter mount. The post you referenced was informative but the indicated location for "Block ID" and "Engine VIN" was blank. However, on the passenger front side of the block (just under the head) was stamped 30821 (the 1 may have been a 4 [very weak imprint]) and just above that on the bottom front side of the head was stamped 30824 (very clear). Does this shed any more light on the situation?

Thanks,
Walt
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24510&Reply=24461><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Any explanations ......</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>04/10/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>i,d say if the car is a early 1968 bild i,d say a 1967 block would be the corect one.i,v sean one year earlyer moters in unmolested cars that i new for a fact was corect . </blockquote> RE: Any explanations ...... -- giacamo, 04/10/2005
i,d say if the car is a early 1968 bild i,d say a 1967 block would be the corect one.i,v sean one year earlyer moters in unmolested cars that i new for a fact was corect .
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24574&Reply=24461><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Really? What car(s) and/or engine(s) did you find, like that? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/13/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Really? What car(s) and/or engine(s) did you find, like that? [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/13/2005
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 RE: Really? What car(s) and/or engine(s) did you find, like that? [n/m] -- giacamo, 04/14/2005
1968 failane c6mea block 1966 only?
 RE: Any explanations ...... -- walt, 04/16/2005
what you see is the casting date,not neccessarily the build date,example,428 cj intake cast in oct 68,put on a 69 mustang,assembled in april 1969
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24457&Reply=24457><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>oil cooler</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Hagelund, <i>04/04/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>The SCJ  i'm looking at does not appear to have a oil cooler or the horns moved to one side. <br>It is a January 17 69 car would it come with a cooler , it has a 391 nodular "N" case at the Marti report shows it as a SCJ<br>Gerry </blockquote> oil cooler -- Gerry Hagelund, 04/04/2005
The SCJ i'm looking at does not appear to have a oil cooler or the horns moved to one side.
It is a January 17 69 car would it come with a cooler , it has a 391 nodular "N" case at the Marti report shows it as a SCJ
Gerry
 Take a look at this and post again, if you have questions... -- Mr F, 04/05/2005
http://www.jcoconsulting.com/ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=29171&Reply=29171
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24456&Reply=24456><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>70 Mach 1</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Donald Marushak, <i>04/04/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Looking for anyone who knows anything about 1970 mach 1 cars (Cobra 500)?Is there such a car?How many were built? Any info would be greatly appreciated.. </blockquote> 70 Mach 1 -- Donald Marushak, 04/04/2005
Looking for anyone who knows anything about 1970 mach 1 cars (Cobra 500)?Is there such a car?How many were built? Any info would be greatly appreciated..
 Never heard of any such model built or marketed by Ford. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/05/2005
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 Maybe a local or district promotion, but then its not 'Ford'. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/05/2005
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 Clutch fork spring -- Dan Dunn, 04/04/2005
Does anyone have a diagram or picture showing how the clutch fork anti-rattle spring is supposed to be installed? I got the new one installed this weekend, but I'm not sure if it's right or not. This is a '67 Mustang w/390.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24449&Reply=24449><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>clutch fork fit help</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jack, <i>04/03/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>will a 1966 390 fairlane clutch fork fit on a 69 mustang 390 4 speed toploader<br><br>thanks<br>jack </blockquote> clutch fork fit help -- Jack, 04/03/2005
will a 1966 390 fairlane clutch fork fit on a 69 mustang 390 4 speed toploader

thanks
jack
 Perhaps, but Ford used different OEM forks for those apps. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/04/2005
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