good catch. Now are you going to compliment your find and splurge for end stands and spacers?

I dfon't know the dimensional difference, but I guess the larger question is why are you changing from a PI to an RPM? There is very little performance difference between the two and there is no other advantage, like weight-savings. The two manifolds achieve their performance characteristics through different methods (PI - Large plenum with large initial runner volume; RPM - Large plenum with constant dimension runner) but the difference in how the perform isn't statistically significant.
Sorry this doesn't answer your direct question, but you already know the PI allows you to retain the shaker and it is a factory manifold that does match your intake ports.

I was told by an "E-bock" tech. person that their intake is one inch taller than the stock PI intake. He claimed that the rubber seal would take up the difference. I decided not to go that route, I am running the PI intake and am satisfied. My car is running the Comp 280 cam.

The little chrome vertical ribs were a '67 only thing so you must have the right year. They did make a 6.5 litre in 1967, find the badges and we will know for sure.

The 1968 badges say "7.0 Litre GTE" and have a running Cougar above the lettering.

Royce Peterson

You mentioned the 'hash marks" that were on XR7s. According to NADA a 1967 Cougar XR7 with a 390 is:

Total Low Retail: $5,906
Total Average Retail: $10,159
Total High Retail: $14,918

Those figures do not include #1 show cars, that would be higher of course.

Tim B

hey royce, i'm pulling for you but i'm tired of getting my butt kicked by those studebakers, and they always win! kind of takes the fun out of it! they actually got beat last year in a 304 stock block lark by a 427 yenko camaro that got them by a couple of tenths when the blower belt came off (yes, a LOT of studebakers came with superchargers, studebaker owned McCulloch/Paxton and granatelli motorsports). they have all of their documentation and keep fielding different cars. we have got to get more organized like they are (the club has more than 13,000 members!). i know a bunch of them and they have a pretty friendly rivalry going with the yenko boys (you got to respect the guy who beats you right?) but none of them have any use for fords at all. hawkrod

Dang those rules are tough on us. My '66 7 Litre tires are a joke. A 7.75-15 won't do anything but go up in smoke. I used to burn rubber through two gears until I went to a wrinkle wall drag tire.

I'd love to join ya' but the only stock parts on my car are body items. I'll be at some other Ford meets where modifications are allowed/encouraged. Good luck carrying the Cougar flag.........

Brian Crisman
67 Cougar GT 4spd

.....just close your eyes and pause for a moment (before you get to the tree), and you'll hear all of us cheering for you. Good luck!

P

C1 is '61 so its probably a 352. D1 is '71.

Edelbrock Performer. From my personal experience, this intake provided a lot of low end torque. It's designed to do what it seems you want to do. You will need to use the '65 & later style valve covers since there is no provision for adding oil through this intake.

Better check the clearance for the shorty headers in the 60 Bird (if you're using the stock Ford shorties).....Engine compartment is narrow and the steering box is very close to the block.....Ford Powertrain Applications makes a nice custom header for the 352/390 that fit nicely in the 60 Bird whether manual or power steering...I'm installing a set right now in my 60.....Good luck, Ed

Yes, I'm pretty sure that you're correct that your '65 has a MX/Cruisomatic. Obviously you've got the car starting and running. I believe the external balance flexplate you have for your 428 is correct and I believe this flexplate works fine with a '65 cruiso. The ring gear tooth count is the same for '65 & later....I think? Must be okay because your starter is engaging and starting, right?

A vibration can be from many areas. It might be the engine. You say it's in the engine? It's sure hard to tell via talking on the internet. It might be the transmission? It might be the driveshaft/U-joints?

I think you might be wise to have a couple of professional opinions provided by people who can look, listen and drive your '65 in person.

The C6 tranny will fit the FMX, but it may damage the front tranny pump because the C6 flexplate has a different offset stamped into it. This may also place extra force on the engines thrust bearing at the #3 main. I've only read about the offset in Ford documentation - I haven't studied it yet, and I don't know what the offset differential between the two is.

The 410/428 never got an FMX, so you can be sure if it's an offset-balanced FE flexplate it's for a C6.

Can you tell us more about the engine? Are you certain it's a 428?

Shoe.

I did not see this. Thanks for the alert. If the price doesn't go nuts, I'm gonna be bidding on these once at the end.

It sounds like a Kinko's copy, not an original "made at Ford" original blueprint. I'm OK with that. I'm just an info hound.

I wonder if the seller plans to sell more copies? I wonder whether the high bidder will?

Also, these appear to be the engine plant machining prints, not the foundry prints. I'd be interested in finding the foundry prints someday, too.

Thanks for the notification. I'm pretty swamped getting my office set up these days, so I haven't had much time to watch ebay. I hope to be finished in time to visit a friend who has offered to let me use his industrial band saw so I can "test slice" the first of several FE blocks in two weeks. At the rate things are moving, I may have to delay a week or two.

Shoe.

I already e-mailed Shoe. The info on those drawings would be extremely helpful to me. I'm designing up some custom parts for my 427 and things like correct hole centers would be of enormous help.

Maybe we should figure out a way to avoid knocking heads.

Damn when I was a Ford engineer I could have gotten those prints for nothing. If only I knew...

-Bill

Me too....

John

Dave - sign me up for a set of copies!