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 |  Other Forums? -- Anthony, 04/10/2003
How do you get to the other forums, ie- mustang, general, etc. Can't seem to find them anywhere.
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Anthony |
 | Steel 391 truck crank -- Travis Miller, 04/09/2003
I need some help. Anyone ever have the snout turned down and a new keyway cut on one of the steel 391 truck cranks? How much does it cost? Was there any problems in using such a crank in a FE? |
| | RE: Steel 391 truck crank -- Jeff H., 04/09/2003
The cost of having the crank machined would be prohibitive. Turning a crankshaft on a lathe takes considerable set-up time unless the shop does this on a regular basis. Check with some of the bigger crank grinding shops they will probably have the best prices. Even then I suspect the cost will be up in the range of the price of a good 427 steel crank. If you really have to have a steel crank I would just find a 427 $ crank. Plus...these cranks (C5AE) are cross drilled for better oiling. In my opinion these are the only applications that require a forged steel crank:
High RPM endurance racing engines
High HP Blower engines
High HP Nitrous engines
Here is a quote regrading turning down a 391 truck crank from Pat Ganahl's book "Ford Performance":
"Given the reliability of the cast FE cranks, such a swap is probably of questionable practicality, considering the work and cost invloved."
Here is another quote from Pat's book regarding the reliability of the 3.78" stroke cast iron FE crankshafts:
"Ford says they are good to 6000-7000 rpm in drag race engines of up to 600 horsepower (unblown)."
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|  | RE: Steel 391 truck crank -- Bill Howell, 04/12/2003
I may know the answer to this question. But, I was wondering if it would pass tech in NHRA stock or superstock eliminator! |
|  | RE: Steel 391 truck crank -- Bill Howell, 04/12/2003
After thinking about this, is the 391 crank heavier? If so, this would be an expensive move to run slower. |
| Holley Street Avenger Carb. -- Bill, 04/09/2003
Has anyone used a Holley Street Avenger Carb. on their 289? Did you use a 570 CFM or 670 CFM? Mine has a mild cam, roller rockers around 300+ H.P. |
| | | RE: Holley Street Avenger Carb. -- Bill, 04/11/2003
Thanks, Mike |
| next question 428 build up / 500 HP -- Novass, 04/09/2003
Okay next question. Any tips on getting 500 REAL hp at 6000 rpm out of a 428? Do you guys recomend any good reading material?
I have built plenty of BB chevys but now I want to do something different. I have a 65 Nova with a 427 and I want to build up a 65 Falcon with the 428 ( a stet of stable mates)
What about using edelbrock heads and intake? I would prefer a hydraulic cam. Is this doable? |
| | RE: next question 428 build up / 500 HP -- Jeff H., 04/09/2003
When you say REAL HP do you mean at the rear wheels type HP? If so then you would need at least 600HP at the crank and this is a tall order with a hyd cam and ED heads/intake. 500HP at the crank is definetely do-able with these components. Here is the general recipe that will easily get you there:
750+ CFM carb
Edelbrock RPM intake
Edelbrock RPM heads (mild+ porting)
10.5:1+ compression
Hydraulic cam w/durations @.050 above 240 degrees and lifts above .600"
My stable contains both blue oval and bowtie products as well. Although I am a diehard ford fanatic my wife has a 65 malibu ss 327 4-spd car that she wants me to restore and hop up for her. Regarding reading material I really like David Vizard's book "How to build Horsepower" and Smokey Unick's "Power Secrets". Also, check out the excellent FE forum at www.fordfe.com |
| | RE: next question 428 build up / 500 HP -- Tom, 03/03/2004
check out this site,it's a 425HP 390 that will buzz all day and everything imaginable has been done to it,,,,just bolt it in and go tear up the asphalt...
http://fordcobraengines.com/390FE_Cobra.html |
| Choosig a cam -- Zane V, 04/08/2003
Hi guys. I need help. I am into a project and unsure of the right cam for me. I have a 67 mustang gt, 390 convertible, 4 speed toploader with a 3.50 limited slip rear end.
My question is I have purchased the edelbrock performer heads and intake, and looking at what cam to buy. The edelbrock power package recommend this type. Duration at .004 Lift: Intake 296° Exhaust 296° Centerlines
Duration at .050 Lift: Intake 236° Exhaust 236° Lobe Separation: 108°
Lift at Cam: Intake .325 Exhaust .325 Intake Centerline: 103°
Lift at Valve: Intake .572 Exhaust .572
Timing at .050 Lift: Open Close
Intake 15° BTDC 41° ABDC
Exhaust 51° BBDC 5° ATDC
I like to drive my car fairly aggressive but don't wish to hit the power band at 5000 rpm. The cam from edelbrock is back order indefinately, but crane has a similar grind. I have phoned comp cams and they recommend a 33-240-4 which gives a lift of 560 E/I 110 lobe seperation but a 244 duration with the power band from 2500-6500. I wish to great the performance and the steet and will probably never see the track. BUt don't wish to rip the engine apart. Help
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| | RE: Choosig a cam -- Geoff McNew, 04/09/2003
Crane H-296-2 PowerMax Hydraulic Lifter Camshafts for Non-Emissions Controlled Vehicles
Application Series & Grind Number
Fair idle, performance usage, good mid-range HP, 3800-4200 cruise RPM, 10.0 to 11.5 compression ratio advised. Basic RPM 3000-6200. Valve float RPM 6500. PowerMax H-296-2
replacing:
CCH-296-2
Cam Specifications
296/300 Degrees Advertised
234/238 Degrees Duration @ .050" Int./Exh. 108 Degree L.C. #1 Intake. 112 Degree Lobe Separation. 0.554"/0.563" lift Int./Exh. w/1.76 ratio |
| 428 FE price guide -- Novass, 04/08/2003
I have a co worker that needs some cash quick. He has a 1966 428 out of a T Bird that he wants $250 for. It was running two years ago when the car was totaled. Is this a fair price for a complete 428 ( minus carb) ?
Oh yes it has the tranny bolted up . Is it a fmx?
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| heads -- dennis, 04/07/2003
Does anyone have an opinion about 390 gt heads compaired to 428 heads to the Edelbrock heads sold at Summit? I have the 390 gt head on my 428. Is there much difference to go with one of the others? Since they all have the same size valves?? thanks Dennis PS.. flowing into hooker headers, 2 1/2" exhaust with flowmasters. |
| sick of it all -- frank, 04/07/2003
Iam so sick of all the people who hord all the fe engines and parts that when it comes time to need something from somebody they make you feel like you have to kiss there ass and get on your knees for them.It takes all the joy out of owning one of these cars that sometimes its just not worth it.If I have a part that someone needs I sell it to them fairly,but god help me if I need a part.There's just too much competition of who owns the most.I say its not worth it anymore. |
| | Its not easy -- steve, 04/07/2003
You do run across people that are like that sometimes.I got out of fe's for about 10 years and went to another make and enjoyed beating stock 428's with my sc/rambler. But recently got back into fe's with a67 gt mustang that I totally enjoy.It's just hard sometimes dealing with some not all the people with these engines and parts. |
| |  | No kidding!! -- John, 04/07/2003
Yep, crazy priced 428 cranks on E-Bay come to mind. Never deliver as promised?....FPP comes to mind. The 75 year old farmer with the 427 rotting out in his field who won't sell it because he "might" do something with it someday. The $16K Dove 427 with dubious quality castings. It's incredibly difficult to find what you want. Good thing it's a hobby. Mind you, I've always noticed that anything I have for sale is priced too high (like my 66 289 Mustang I sold for $5500 that was appraised two years later for $18,500), but anything anybody else has is rare one of a kind and worth a King's ransom (proabbly an overbored 390). But, when I fire up my 428 and hear those sidepipes change sound from a rumble to an all out racing powerhouse scream, it makes it all worthwhile. |
| | | | Reeeally! -- pop428, 04/07/2003
You guy's should try living out of the U.s. and see what it's like to buy FE parts....If you can get them.....:( Give me a break! |
| | | | | Careful....I'm in Nova Scotia, and that's me above -- John, 04/07/2003
Scouring junkyards is just getting tougher. Anything over 10 years old is crushed it seems. Word of mouth works, but is slow. It's just not that easy. Go find me a $100 428 crank and I'll double your money in a second.....cuz that's all they should be worth. But things change. And by the way, in my province full of salt air and salt on winter highways, most fords rusted away very prematurely and the engines wound up as boat anchors or melted back down a very long time ago. So it's tough all over. I still say it's worth it. |
| | | | | | RE: Careful....I'm in Australia..... -- peter, 04/07/2003
John I here Ya Man!
Anything over 5 lbs I have to give my next unborn child :) to get a FE inlet manifold to me....I wouldn't even attempt a complete Motor...:(
1) Find someone willing to sell to me?
2) Pay High purchase price....
3) pay shipping and insurance If I can find
someone to post to an exportor in California......! Pay the exporter handling fee.
And wait 6-8 weeks for it to come home.
4) Then on top of all that Pay $0.60 to the $Us
5) On arrival in Aust. Pay importer his handling fees...Pay My govt. import duty and sales tax...:(
6) now I have to look at costs of cleaning the thing up and making it fit to put on my Cobra jet.....
AAAARHH! That feels better! Thanks for letting me rant! But I still enjoy the obsession! (not hobby)....It worth it in the end...So I keep telling myself.
My project:
http://www.freewebs.com/cobrajetpage/
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| | | | | | | arctic cruisers! -- Hank, 04/08/2003
Well I can tell you it aint that peachy in Finland either =) With the gas price of 1.10€/L just the cruisin' itself shows in your pockets!Parts are ok to find but zeeesh the prices!!
But everytime I ignite my mercs' 410 I KNOW it's worth every cent!!
I think we all can agree on that ; ] |
| | | | | | | RE: Careful....I'm in Australia..... -- Tom, 03/03/2004
Do you have to convert it to right side drive?? |
| | | | | | | | Depends on the state... -- richard, 03/04/2004
Here in Queensland anything over 30 years old can stay "left hook". Not sure elsewhere, but believe most other states are the same.
Many do the conversion for driving "convenience" (at a cost of $5-10k) but IMHO it's a shame to see some of the dodgy conversions cutting up firewalls and dashes...
Both mine are staying left hand drive. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: Depends on the state... -- Tom, 03/04/2004
Imho? |
| | | | | | RE: Careful....I'm in Nova Scotia, and that's me above -- brendon 289, 03/21/2004
hey John what part of NS are you in? I'm just outside of Annapolis |
| | | | Not happy -- frank, 04/07/2003
Yeah, its supposed to be a hobby but you get these people who look at it as an investment and stock pile all of these parts that us people who might need a certain part have to dig so deep into there pockets everytime something breaks,its getting unaffordable for the everyday guy. There's nothing I like more than driving my old mustang 390 down the road on a sunny day and coming the other way is another old mustang.You can bet its probably not a guy who just sits around making tons of money off of the parts he sells its a guy who truly loves his old mustang and drives it. |
| | | | | It's a pricey thing -- willis, 04/07/2003
My wife says with the price of parts,my car should be worth 3-4 times more than what it is worth.All I do is shrug my shoulders. |
| | | | | Well Frank, it's like this... -- John, 04/08/2003
There is a Mustang Club here in Nova Scotia, and to my knowledge, not one person in it has ever done anything more than change their oil. They are the drivers. They have money to buy restored cars. One of them bought my 66 Mustang. She gets lots of trophy's with it. Now when I had it, I restored it. Very meticulously I might add. That was the fun for me. And the satsifaction of seeing it finally like the way it was new. And that cost me money also, but not a great deal...mostly elbow grease. So I agree that's it's not a poor man's hobby, and I know people hoard parts and will never use them......but if you really like cars and engines and doing your own work, the headaches you describe are not significant. If this is really getting to you, then I suggest a different hobby. |
| | | | | | Well, John..... -- frank, 04/08/2003
Its more of a hobby, its an obssesion.You have to admit the prices of some of this stuff is outrageous and if people keep hoarding the majority of the parts the prices are only going to go up .Although they probably will anyway.I"m not agianst anybody trying to make a buck but I am against the few people that are raping us and driving people away from this obssesion. And your all right, it is worth it. It just makes me mad. |
| | | | | | | RE: Frank, there is a way to win -- Wayne, 04/08/2003
OUT LIVE them and buy the parts from there widows cheap. I dealt with a real SOB for years, when he ate dirt I made up for all those years by getting all his vintage Indian parts. Stay healthy! |
| | | | | | | | That's the best I've heard so far -- frank, 04/08/2003
I'd like to get more responses from people,for and against. Thanks,I'm actually starting to feel better,But I do remember one guy he had a 68 shelby in his front yard.One day I stopped in to ask him about it and he talked with me for hours.Super nice guy,he opened up his garage and there were three more shelby"s. Just a real nice guy who seemed he would go out of his way to talk to anyone into fords.About ten years ago he was killed in a plane crash.People found out about it and litterly stole,bought for pennies everything this guy had from his widow.Fe parts he had in buses. A lot of stuff.Nice people huh? |
| | | | | | | | | Frank; Ok, so who sets a "fair" price.. -- richard, 03/04/2004
In your first post those who charge high prices are wrong, and in your last the ones who bought cheap are wrong too? Who sets a "right" price for an NOS item or used car?
I hate paying the prices I do for some parts (and shipping/duty/tax to Australia) but its supply and demand. My location makes it impossible to pick-and-pull and find swap meet bargains, so I bear the market cost or don't buy. As such, I guess I'm part of the cause of why the parts I buy cost me so much!
If I had the foresight to buy a bunch of parts long ago I would sell them for what people are willing to pay, why sell it for $10 if someone offers me $20? No one's forcing anyone to buy.
And if I find a part that I consider cheap I buy it, and I sure don't offer more than I'm asked to pay. I thought $150 390gt S tube was a steal (as the only other two I saw in two years of looking were about $400 and $500), my wife thinks I'm crazy to pay that (and she's probably right) but I wanted it so paid what I had to. And I sure didn't offer the seller $300 to split the difference on the other prices I saw. I would expect any seller to do some homework, as its not that hard to get a number of opinons on value if you're unsure what you're selling.
Good or bad, it's capitalism and a popular hobby/obsession so competition for hard to find parts is steep. Just beacuse its popular it don't mean its cheap, actually the opposite...
Since you asked, 2c worth.
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| | | | | | | | RE: Frank, there is a way to win -- Larry V, 03/15/2004
It is better to out live someones finances than to out live them in body and soul. In 1995 I was getting a divorce and had to sell my 69 GT350 convertible ( Jan. 95 Mustang Monthly) This dealer called and told me my price was way out of line and he would help me out by taking my car and giving me a little cash and a 69 mustang super cobra jet coupe that was in pieces. He had 22k in the coupe and that is what he wanted to credit me towards my convertible. I turned him down and sold the car later for a fair price. Six months later the dealer went bankrupt and needed cash real bad. I bought the coupe for $8,500, you should have seen the look on his face when I tried to work him down. Now I have a fully restored 69 SCJ coupe with about $ 13,000 invested. What comes around goes around. |
| | RE: sick of it all -- giacamo, 03/04/2004
frank i,v found parts in the damest places i can normily buy a hole car cheaper then one part and ford made milliones of fe powerd autos..........thay may not be 427,s or rare od hipro parts but a 390 i feal is a comon sight around wear i live,........ |
| McLeod Flywheel -- FJK, 04/07/2003
I'm looking for a new flywheel for my 69 Mustang 390 and am considering a McLeod steel 30#wheel. I run the 11-1/2 cluch. Any comments on the McLeod wheel. I assume it is going to be a nice piece, but am wondering if there are any quality issues lurking out there.
Thanks, FJK |
| | RE: McLeod Flywheel -- John, 04/07/2003
I use one and have two comments. The first is that the teeth on the starter ring seem to chip easily. The second may not be the flywheel, but I seem to get chatter in first gear when letting out the clutch in first gear unles everything is warmed up. Don't know how it could be the flywheel, but everything was new...pressure plate, flywheel and clutch. Doesn't do it in reverse though. I can live with it. |
| | | RE: McLeod Flywheel -- FJK, 04/07/2003
Thanks John; What's your application. Do you use a McLeod clutch as well? I use a McLeod disc only & that is why I'm going back into it...too much chatter. Has the teeth chippage affected starter engagment? |
| | | | RE: McLeod Flywheel -- John, 04/07/2003
I use it in an ERA Cobra, but with a "chev" clutch disc and a Richmond Gear 5 speed. I think the presure plate is McLeod...can't remember for sure anymore...anyway, it is the 3 finger type. And "No", the starter engagement is not affected by the chipped teeth. |
| | | | | RE: McLeod Flywheel -- FJK, 04/07/2003
Sounds like a nice package, John. Even my Mustang could benifit from a 5 spd. Until then, I'm pulling out my 2.32 toploader & installing a 2.78. Sounds like the McLeod is OK. Obviously I don't have alot of options for a 30# wheel. Thanks again, FJK |
| 427 Intake change -- Mike K, 04/07/2003
I'm about to change over my intake from a 427 8v tunnel wedge to an 8v medium riser. I've finally gotten all the pieces needed and had a question about valve adjustment. I was told that I would not need to readjust the valves once I perform this change over. I had assumed I would because of removing the rockers/push rods. Can anyone give me some idea of their experience? Any tips to make it only twice as involved as I have planned? Many thanks. Mike |
| | Valve adjustment -- Royce Peterson, 04/07/2003
Mike,
The rocker assemblies mount to the heads and you are not disturbing the heads right? I would keep the pushrods in order and recheck valve clearance after you get the intake installed if you are running solids. If this is a hydraulic cam I would just torque the rocker shaft stand bolts and call it good.
Royce |
| | | RE: Valve adjustment -- Mike K, 04/07/2003
Royce - I am running solids and will not be touching the heads. Any suggestions for removing the assemblies or the intake install? Thanks, Mike |
| | | | Intake etc. -- Royce Peterson, 04/08/2003
I would recommend doing a valve adjustment afterwards in that case, it probably won't change but solids are more critical.
Also, I recommend McCord or Victor Reinz intake gaskets. The Fel Pro gaskets are just cardboard while the other two are composite metal gaskets with silicone coating. Far superior and can't suck into a port.
Royce |
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