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| valve spring pressure -- steve fudge, 12/16/2002
what will having to much valve spring pressure do to the cam. my springs are 135#@1.920 - 371#@1.250 cam card calls for 90#@1.828 - 280#@1.270. This is a crane cam 343941. |
| | Should work fine. -- Royce Peterson, 12/16/2002
The coil bind (open pressure) on your springs is at a higher lift. Should be about perfect.
Royce |
| | RE: new or used valve springs? -- Courtney Bolze, 12/16/2002
Are the springs new or used? Check with crane and see what they say about new vs used or broke in springs. Courtney Bolze. |
| | RE: valve spring pressure -- afret, 12/17/2002
It should work ok just like Royce said earlier. (Royce is one of the FE/427 Cougar experts in another FE forum.) I think you will have about 320-330 lbs open pressure with your cam. You just have to be careful to set the spring height since 1.92 seem a little high for standard FE heads unless the valve are sunk. You might need to get the +.05 keepers and shim from there to the correct height so you don't get too much spring pressure. If you look look at Crower they have two spring choices for their hotter hydraulic and solid cams. Your springs are like their second choice which gives 1000 or so more rpm potential than their other choice which is more like the springs Crane recommends. You might look at the Crower catalog. They recommend the stronger springs for limited street use and the weaker springs for daily use. I run a Crower hydraulic #16255 and run their stronger recommended spring. I used to run Isky 8005-a springs which has the same seat pressure at the recommended height but had more open pressure with no problems with this cam, a wilder Crower hydraulic and a Crane solid. Another thing to consider is valvetrain stability/strength when you go above 300# open pressure. It gets risky with stock rocker shafts and the stock aluminum stands. You might consider getting endstands to eliminate the chance for breakage of the shaft on the outboard ends. Another choice is to upgrade to stronger rocker shafts and split rocker stands-you can add endstands to this too and have a bullet proof valvetrain. Hope this is of some help. |
| Holley carb -- BILL, 12/16/2002
I have a holley carb off of a 1969 cj mustang. The primary metering block is not the correct one. The stamping no. Is 5673 does anyone out there have this metering block ? or does anyone know of one that will work ?? it has a metering block from a 600 cfm in it. And it does not work that well at all. Off idle flat spot. thank's bill. |
| | RE: Holley carb -- BILL, 12/16/2002
Address change wjp428cj@webtv. Net thank's. |
| Need help ID'ing a FE -- fordfan, 12/16/2002
A friend of mine just got back from buying a 'R' code '68 Torino for 1k! It has a 302 in it now, and the seller said a 460 went with it. Well, it has rectangular ports so a 460 it ain't. My friend seems to think it is a FE, and it is in the back of his truck, so seeing the numbers should be fairly easy. I am going to try to go see it tomorrow and would like to be able to ID it for him. I know it would be impossible to list all the numbers and variations, but if someone could tell me what a CJ should have I would appreciate it, and how to at least determine what year the motor is . Thanks alot |
| | You'll have to post the numbers here as... -- Dan Davis, 12/16/2002
...there are literally dozens on castings over the FE's lifespan. A quick way to tell if it is an FE is to look at the intake. If the valve cover bolts to it; if it looks like it is a third of the head, then it's an FE. Here's a drawing to illustrate:
Regards,
Dan
http://www.sea-tools.com/mpc |
| | | | Do the CJ heads have 4 holes per exhaust port? -- fordfan, 12/16/2002
He probably won't be that lucky ,but you never know Thanks for the information. He said the car was pretty solid, he bought it from a Mopar man, so I can't see how he could get hurt on this deal.He is missing the ram-air system. A lot of muscle cars are missing the original engine, how much do good CJ engines go for? It would probably be harder to find a '68 variety than the 69-70. |
| | | | | yes, 4 holes and all Cj motors are hard to get!n/m -- Peter, 12/16/2002
n/m |
| | | | | Yes, they do(4 bolts per port). Casting # C8OE-N, -- Paul M, 12/16/2002
located in the valley between the middle 2 spark plugs on each head.
Easy way to check the stroke is to use a piece of coat hanger, or something similar, down one of the spark plug holes. Find TDC on that cylinder, insert the wire. Turn the crank till that cylinder is BDC, then mark the wire again. Just make sure whatever you use doesn't fall in ;->
3.50 (3 1/2) inches is a 352/360 3.78 (3 3/4) is a 390 (or much less likely, a 406 or 427) 3.98 (4) inches is a 428 (or a 410- 390 bore w/ 428 stroke)
hope this helps! |
| | | No FE -- fordfan, 12/18/2002
The exhaust ports were rounded ovals, not rectangular as he said, ah well, it was dark at the time! The block # was DIVE-A2B, Head D3VE-A2A, casting # on the water pump was D8UE AA Anybody know what this is? thanks |
| | | | RE: No FE -- Barry B, 12/18/2002
D1VE-A2B = ‘71-’78 460 block
D3VE-A2A = ‘73-’74 460 head
I think that's right but I'm no 385 expert (or FE either!) |
| | | | | Yup, 73 429/460 or 74 460. [n/m] -- Dan Davis, 12/18/2002
nm |
| | RE: Need help ID'ing a FE -- spencer, 12/19/2002
I must say I am involed in the same delima, my heads have a casting number of D2TEAA but I can't find any info to determine if I can use them on a 428CJ |
| | | You could, but they need work, -- Paul M, 12/20/2002
If you want to run the D2 heads on a CJ, they'll need some porting, bowl work, and bigger valves.
The D2TE-A(A) and C8AE-H heads are emissions heads with smaller ports and runners, and standard valves. Put on the CJ as-is, and it wont be able to breath very well.
They would be good to bump up the compression, with the smaller chamber, however. All depends on how much you want to spend on them, as to whether it's worth the effort! |
| nos plate assembly -- Greg in Ontario, 12/15/2002
Come across a nos plate assembly for sale (not sure of correct name).It is the thin metal piece at back of engine and in front of bell housing that has the starter cut out in it.Guy says it will fit all FE motors.Is there a standard one for all FE motors?No Ford number on it,should there be?What would this be worth?He assures me it is Ford and nos.Thanks for your help. |
| | there are several different ones. N/M -- hawkrod, 12/15/2002
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| | Oddly enough, it called 'PLATE ASSY., engine rear'. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/16/2002
n/m |
| | Pretty common stuff. -- Dave Shoe, 12/16/2002
NOS is nice, but it won't bring much added value to an engine plate. They're very common.
As for engine fit, all versions are about the same. In some cases you'll have to drill some holes to clear the threaded oil plugs. Some plates were stamped for the flush-mounting press plugs, and others drilled to clear the protruding tapped oil plugs.
Many FEs from 1958 through about 1964 came without engine plates, so it's important that they not be added to an engine which is not supposed to have one, particularly an auto-tranny car, as the torque converter is supposed to be a set distance between both the tranny and the engine to prevent undue thrust on the #3 main bearing thrust surface, and also on the tranny front pump.
JMO, Shoe. |
| 428's bored to .040? -- James, 12/15/2002
I have a replacement block without the ribs dated for August of 69 with the "C" on the back of it. It has been bored .030 already. I will have it sonic tested before I bore it but what I am curious about is weather the .040 bore presents to many problems for street driving? Are they hard to keep under 200 degrees in the summer time and all? Thanks for your input. |
| | RE: 428's bored to .040? -- Pete's Ponies, 12/15/2002
your sonic test will say for sure. If it is thick enough, then there will be no problems with going .040. I run a 428 .030 over in a 69 F100 and never have overheating problems. When I built my 681/2 CJ Mustang, I went with .020 since that cleaned it up and it's best to stay as thick as possible. I just recently bored a 360 block to 428 standard specs as the sonic check came out good. You will just have to test it to know for sure. |
| | | RE: 428's bored to .040? -- Gary, 12/16/2002
I have found several manufacturers for pistons .030 and up but not .020. I also would like to stay as close to standard as possible for obvious reasons. What company offers a .020 quality forged piston or perhaps a .010 for a 428? Thanks--Gary |
| | | RE: 428's bored to .040? -- BILL, 12/16/2002
I have a 1970 f100 with a 360 that is standard and run's great. I was thinging of making it in a 428 but was unsure if it would work. I guess it would. Thank's for the info. What are you useing for a crank rod's and piston? cj ?? bill. |
| | | | RE: 428's bored to .040? -- BILL, 12/16/2002
Address change 428cj@webtv. Net thank's. |
| | | | | Bill dont start boring yet -- Ross, 12/17/2002
He didnt say it WILL work, he said he had it sonic checked and HIS worked. FE's werent built during ISO 9000 quality times LOL All the blocks vary to some degree. I would also add that MANY will not meet sonic check mins to go to a 428. Years ago some mag did a poor mans CJ and it took the 4 blocks to get one.
Bottom line, have yours, or a core checked THEN build one, dont just poke and stroke |
| | | | | | RE: Bill dont start boring yet -- BILL, 12/17/2002
Thank's we wiil have it checked |
| | | | RE: 428's bored to .040? -- Mike Upton, 12/17/2002
I have a cj crank with the lemans rods and pistons, if your interested mail me back. {for making in 428 from a 360 block} |
| | | | | RE: 428's bored to .040? -- rusty, 08/20/2005
what should it read ? the wall thickness after boring i have a sonic tester ...... |
| | RE: 428's bored to .040? -- Greg Westphall, 09/07/2005
My 428CJ is at .040 over. Am running the TRW forgings rated at 10.5:1 although I am not running anywhere close to that, I think it calculated out to 9.95:1 due to the deck height being well above the piston at TDC. To get to your question, I have overheating problems in traffic and on the highway. Am running 3.50 gears in a 1969 Cyclone CJ with C6 A/T and A/C. I have the factory fan clutch and fan blade but am only running a 3-core radiator. I will be switching to a 4-core over the winter. If I keep the highway speeds below 60 I am usually ok except on a very hot day. However, once I get above 65 the temperature slowly climbs. I have to back off the speed, then it will drop down. In traffic I am fine if I keep the car moving, however, I cannot idle long without overheating. I had a great deal of experience with this while driving 850 miles each way to Talladega and back from Chicago last fall for the Aero Warriors reunion. I am running 11-12 degrees initial advance and 40 degrees total advance with a full mechanical advance distributor, aluminum Performer RPM intake and cylinder heads and FPA tri-y ceramic coated headers. I suspect the aluminum heads are transferring more heat to the water jacket and the .040" overbore is allowing the same. The headers just add to the problem. I also suspect that the 4-core might not completely solve the problem. Overdrive, with a 4-core should solve the highway issues and an electric fan to boost airflow at stoplights will probably end up being the solution. I have not tried water wetter or anything like that an do not intend to. Hope this helps, Greg |
| Crank damper -- WAYNE S., 12/15/2002
Have damper on engine with c4ae-3316a number on it is it 428 crank damper and what year and is it external balancer |
| What is it? -- Sam, 12/15/2002
I have a D3TE X 105 block with a U2 crank. I realize this is a 360 block with a 390 crank and with a stock bore of 4.05 would be a 390. But my pistons have .040 on them and they measure 4.140. Can anyone tell me what this would be? This "thing" also has a 428 cam according to the numbers. Thanks |
| | RE: What is it? -- Dale, 12/15/2002
Something doesn'r add up. .040 over 390 pistons would be 4.09. A .040 over 428 piston would be 4.17. A .010 over 428 block would be 4.14 bore. a .090 over 390 block would also be 4.14 bore.I've heard that this has been done, but never actually saw one that took this bore and had cylinder walls left thicker than a sheet of paper. |
| | Possibly its a mixed-up, commercial rebuild. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/15/2002
n/m |
| | What is it? 2 -- Sam, 12/17/2002
I checked the block and Mr. F may be correct. This block has a Ford green remanufactured stick on it. It also has a brass tag "nailed" to the block casting. The tag has E70335 on it. Does anyone know how, who, or what to do to trace these numbers? Is there a archive at Ford that may have answers? I certainly could use any and all information that can be |
| | RE: What is it? 2 -- Sam, 12/17/2002
I checked the block and Mr. F may be correct. This block has a Ford green remanufactured stick on it. It also has a brass tag "nailed" to the block casting. The tag has E70335 on it. Does anyone know how, who, or what to do to trace these numbers? Is there a archive at Ford that may have answers? I certainly could use any and all information that can be |
| Price for '66 C-6 from 7-litre Galaxie? -- Craig Nelson, 12/14/2002
I've got a spare C-6 automatic transmission that came in the trunk of my '66 7 litre Galaxie parts car. I've been tripping over it in my garage now for almost two years and would like to put it up for sale. Any ideas on what the going rate for a C-6 is? |
| | 66's are the least desireable..... -- hawkrod, 12/15/2002
they made a lot of changes for 67 and the 66's are the weakest of all C6's and have a weird shift pattern like a cruisomatic. because of this they are kind of like a white elephant. you can and should upgrade them when rebuilding as it is only a few parts and the valve body and the stuff can come from any later C6 like a lincoln 460 trans. around here a known good C6 is 75.00 at the wreckers and at pick N pull they are 55.00 and you pull it. hawkrod |
| | What's it from? Post ID tag info, if known. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/15/2002
n/m |
| Knock, Knock ... -- Paul Prokop, 12/14/2002
Have a 63 Tbird with a 390 3X2 carb setup. Knocks like crazy under any kind of load.
Have checked all the usual items to no avail.
I have noticed that it knocks until the secondary carbs start to open - then knocking stops like you turned off a switch.
Any ideas on a cause or a fix? |
| | Detonation, maybe. What's the timing? Kind of fuel? [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/14/2002
n/m |
| | RE: Knock, Knock ... -- Paul Prokop, 12/15/2002
I'm thinking the center carb is running too lean.
Using 93 octane gas and 2 bottles of octane boost per tank.
Timing is supposed to be 6 degrees BTDC - I have it retarded all the way to zero. |
| | RE: Knock, Knock ... -- Dale, 12/15/2002
Also look for a big vacuum leak. You may be running ultra lean until the secondaries come in. Did this just start with no warning or any mods, etc.? |
| | RE: Knock, Knock ... Who's There, 100 octane or ? -- Ray, 12/15/2002
Because these fe's were built around a compression ratio 10 to 11 to 1, on 95 to 103 octane. These engines will undoubtedly ping if you put them together the way the book says. But there is a way around it, and one is lower the compression(not a good thing) if your old it's OK. Two, is to re-jet because timing mixture is relative to spark advance. The richer the mixture the less timing the engine will see, you will not have duel flame fronts to causing ping. Ping is a un-controled burn in the combustion chamber, another item I can't say enough about, is potronix -two veriable dwell unit. You can have your cake and eat to it justs take little work, good luck. Ray |
| | Using headers or stock, cast manifolds? [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/15/2002
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| | Knock, knock all gone! -- Paul Prokop, 12/18/2002
Based on your advice, sent the center carb out to our local overhaul man. He took it apart, cleaned it up, replaced the power valve, replaced all the gaskets and changed the jets from 56 to 59.
It's like magic - no more knock! Been running too lean ever since I bought the car 5 years ago.
Thanks for the guidance. |
| | | RE: Knock, knock all gone! -- Joel, 12/19/2002
It'd be nice if all knocks were taken care of so easily. |
| Internal stroker balance with a SCAT crank? -- 60sIron, 12/13/2002
There's a 4.125" SCAT crank on e-bay and the seller claims that this crank can be used without external balance weights.
Has anyone tried this? Can it be done? |
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