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 |  questions on rockers -- curt, 12/08/2002
I have some questions on rocker arms. I am putting in a 282s compcam in to my 428 with ae-r heads. My question is that i have found out that i have to have adjustables. If i get some should i replace the rockers or if they look fine would it be ok to use. do these require a different push rod? Next question is, how do you know if you need a new distributor. the one i have came off the engine and it ran fine and looks ok, is there something that i can do to test it? or should i just get a new one. thanks for your help
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|  | RE: hmmm. -- Gerry Proctor, 12/09/2002
"Adjustable" rockers are, well, adjustable and of a completely different design than the non-adjustable rockers. Which means that if you need adjustable rockers then you have to get new "adjustable" rockers. Adjustable rockers also require new pushrods since the non-adjustable rockers use a ball-and-ball pushrod. Pushrods for adjustable rockers are a cup-and-ball design. Your question on "adjustable" is very confusing (to me, anyway) so I hope I answered correctly.
As far as the distributor goes, as long as the shaft doesn't exceed specifications for play side-to-side or up and down, it should be fine. In other words, chances are if it worked well before you pulled it and you didn't do anything to it, it will work fine when you install it. |
| |  | RE: rockers -- Mike McQuesten, 12/09/2002
There are numerous suppliers of adjustable rockers/pushrods for the FE. All of the major cam grinders, Crane, Comp., Crower, Isky provide them. You can even get them from NAPA I think. I did a few years back. They offer a standard replacement of the B8A(1958 on up) 1.76 Ford adjustable rocker. They also have the cup/ball pushrod you'll need.
The rockers I'm using with my Comp 282S I bought from Rocker Arms Specialty in CA, www.rockerarms.com. I did send 16 adjustable core rockers and they sent me 16 refurbished/bushed 1.76 adjustable stud & lock nut. I do not like the Ford standard self locking adjustable stud. I have had them lose their self locking ability and they back out thus offering a potential disastrous situation. I tend to listen carefully to my FEs and I was able to detect something wrong from the tell tale "clatter" before the pushrod jumped out of the rocker.
Then again you can go even bigger $ and go with roller rockers. Numerous companies provide these too, again Comp., Crane, Dove, etc. I've never run roller rockers yet but many who read this forum have and maybe they might give advice on these.
RAS also sold me a set of their HD rocker shafts which are obviously much thicker than the standard Ford shafts. In addition I went for their aluminum end supports and solid spacers replacing the springs. This system came fully assembled and ready to bolt on. Rocker Arm Specialty was very professional and responsive.
Another thing I did was to use rocker shaft studs instead of the standard Ford bolts. These I bought from Rob at Blue Oval Performance. Another great place to do business with. They also provided the Crower shell lifters/correct length pushrods to run on the 282S. The shell lifters aren't that important but I like them because I "think" they're lighter and just ..... cooler. No one gets to see them but still it was important to me for this Ford-Edsel. |
 | T-10 tranny?? -- stangs_fer_blud, 12/08/2002
Hello again. I am in the process of trying to put together a `67 sportroof. Nuttin fancy, but with a 390 of course. I just picked up a tranny that I was told would work in this application. The only numbers on it I could find are T10 H-1, W.G. DIV, W-1-K8, and on the side cover T10-148B. It looks like a Ford tranny, kinda, only there are no ford casting numbers on it anywhere. Will this work for what I am trying to do? Also, whats a decent price for this kinda tranny? |
| | RE: T-10 tranny?? -- Gerry Proctor, 12/09/2002
This is just my opinion, but that is not the transmission you want to use in your application, asuming that it would fit.
First, I don't know if it will actually bolt up in your car since all you have are some codes that don't identify the application for that transmission.
Second, you have selected a transmission that hasn't been manufactured in well over 30 years (not including the Super T-10, which that trans is not) which means that unless it has been professionally refurbished, its status is very questionable. Even if it is somewhat fresh, it is an inferior transmission when compared to the strength of the toploader and it's longevity under hard use behind your big block is questionable at best.
Third, your '67 would have come with a toploader specific to a Mustang with an FE and I really doubt that the T-10 will fit in your car unless it was purchased aftermarket specifically for your combination (odds are more likely that you'll be struck by lightning than that trans will actually fit).
Finally, you have a conflict. What's it worth? A couple hundred if it has an OEM application that someone actually has a need for. If it doesn't fit your car, then it's only worth as much as a heavy weight door stop would be worth. It's hard to tell from your question as to whether you've purchased the trans yet or not. If not, then you have been given a second chance at life. |
| | | RE: T-10 tranny?? -- Mike McQuesten, 12/09/2002
I couldn't agree with Gerry more.
Personal experience with B-W T-10s...all bad. First one I had was stock in a '62 Galaxie 390/401(an early production HP390!!). This car had been run hard and put away wet countless times by the time I bought it off of Sandy Blvd., Portland OR, '67. For the measly price I bought it for I didn't expect a sweet running '62. But it actually turned out fine with exception of the T-10. It would grind into second nearly every shift. Then I had a '63 Sprint family mobile in the seventies. Again the T-10 was a regular grinder into 2nd. Not one to learn too quickly I picked up a '64 'lane/289/T-10. Great car except .... you guessed it! The T-10 was a pain. Even had it completely pro rebuilt and it only took a couple of power shifts and it was right back to where my other T-10s were.... grinders.
I've had a few toploaders. Never a bad one in the bunch.
Please just shop and get a correct toploader for your 390 Mustang. |
| | | | RE: T-10 tranny?? -- stangs_fer_blud, 12/09/2002
Thanks guys, and yea, I did get the thing already. Now I know why the fella just gave it to me. (Sure glad this website is here to ask people my silly questions.) Thanks again. |
| | | | | RE: T-10 tranny?? -- Pete's Ponies, 12/09/2002
it will fit. I have seen T-10s in 67/68 Mustangs behind FEs. However, they are not as strong a transmission as a toploader. A toploader is practically bullet proof. |
| Cj 428 -- Ron Linthicum, 12/08/2002
Who is the best supplier for FE engine parts?
I used to use Ford Power Parts, but it seems they are no longer in business |
|  | they just moved, i don't have their address N/M -- hawkrod, 12/08/2002
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| | RE: Cj 428 -- Bob Sprowl, 12/09/2002
Try DCS Motorsports in Anza 909-763-9765 & web address www.dcsmotorsports.com.
I like then better as they quickly deliver what they promise at reasonable prices. |
| | | RE: Cj 428 -- Ron Linthicum, 12/09/2002
Thanks for the info. |
| | RE: Cj 428 -- Ken M., 12/24/2002
Check out this site.
http://www.gessford.com/
I haven't done busines with them yet but they look pretty knowledgable. |
| | RE: Cj 428 -- fredcummings, 12/27/2002
FPP has moved, they are now located in BP - just down the freeway from where they used to be. New phone no. is (714) 5237900 |
| 1955 ford with 390 fe -- Bob Ward, 12/08/2002
Finally finished my vintage round track car with a 390FE. With the FE forum I was able to find the good heads c6 with the big runners. It's a flat top .030 over with the performer RPM intake and a 750cfm duble pumper holly. Found a FE distributer with dual point and roller bearings that can the dwell can be set through the window like the bow tie boys. Did all my oil mods from information off the forum also ran windage tray with remote oil filter. Did my own head work gasket matching and lite massage of the passages. Ran a 284/514 hydraulic with adjustible rocker purches off the FE forum. The motor is very torky in this 2940 pound car with the drive and full of fluids. Heres a picture. Thanks for all the help.
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| | RE: 1955 ford with 390 fe -- Bob Sprowl, 12/08/2002
Neat! Could you send me some pictures of the engine compartment.
What headers are you using?
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| | | RE: 1955 ford with 390 fe -- Bob, 12/09/2002
Yas I have pictures of the engine compartment. Won't be very helpful to any one it is sitting on a Chevell frame tubed out on both ends with about 8" set back. The headers I used were headman shortys for a truck If that is any help. If you still want the pictures I can get them for you. |
| | | | RE: 1955 ford with 390 fe -- Bob Sprowl, 12/09/2002
I've considered sticking a 390-416 into a Camaro or Chevelle and going to Super Chevy Sunday and pissing off a bunch of die hard chebbie guys.
So send the photos to bsprowl@bellsouth.net and tell us about the installation in that chassis. |
| | | | | RE: Wow! -- Mike McQuesten, 12/09/2002
What a great '55 Bob! Thanks for sharing an inspirational build.
When you have time I'd like some pics too. The one you've provided is great but it's too small to print and hang on the shop wall. I wanna a full size.
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| | | | | | RE: Wow! -- Bob, 12/09/2002
Trying to post a bigger picture but unable to. E-mailed a few to Bob Sprowl. |
| Anyone have a spare std 391 truck crank core? -- Mike, 12/08/2002
Crank grinder had a screwup with one we had, so I'm scrambling to locate another. I don't want to go with a Scat crank. Please email prveqty@comcast.net if you can help. |
| C4AE-G Are they good heads? -- Chuck Brandt, 12/07/2002
I've got a couple of 352s to work with and I want to build a motor for my '66 F-100. One is a '65 4V with the C4AE-G heads and the other is a '66 2V with C6AE-R heads. Did I read somewhere on here that the C4AE-G heads are fairly good or am I just wishful thinking? What kind of porting can I do myself to make them better. My goal is around 300-350HP and will do a cam, intake and headers.
Thanks for your thoughts, Chuck |
| starter killer -- anthony, 12/07/2002
i seem to be going through an awful lot of starters they seem to last about a month apiece. all three bolts that hold the starter in are nice and tight. car cranks good for about 20 starts and then the starter will start to whir and when i change it the nose of the starter is loose and the teeth are chewed up. the ring on the flywheel is new and has not been damaged any ideas of what may be causing this has anyone else had this happen motor is 390 four speed |
| 64 galaxie Q-code in my hood -- jr, 12/06/2002
this guy has a 64 ford it has long headers cast
it is a 4 speed its black . white int xl he said
it no longer had a 427 in it it has a 66 428 i looked
it does use the flywheel with a balance cast in
he priced it to me for 8500 not shure i wont it
it has no rust and the trunk is clean lower back
glass has no rust around it .the 5 digt on vin is a Q
is this a good price
thanks jr |
| | RE: opinionated appraisal -- Mike McQuesten, 12/06/2002
I think a '64 Galaxie Q code in rust free condition as you describe is well worth $8,500. It very likely has the new and truly improved for '64 T&C Toploader 4 speed. Some early '64s were still factory equipped with the problem plagued Borg Warner T-10. But even if this '64 you're looking at had a T-10 I wouldn't turn it down for what is currently a very good buy.
Buy it Jr. !! |
| | | A rust free "Q" code, and you dont want it?!?!?! -- kevin, 12/06/2002
come on, you must be young. If you crawl underneath,and verify that around the sheetmetal and frame are sound, and look in the trunk, under the mat above the tank for pin holes, as well as the end of the trunk lid, along with the rear bumper, its worth that without an engine!. The 428 will be hard to tell from the 427 for performance. It will feel better with the original 3.50 gear. Go look at what you get for 10k in an import, LOL! |
| | RE: 64 galaxie Q-code in my hood i bought it= -- jr, 12/06/2002
thanks for all the help guys it has a top loder an
the shifter is fact lock out tipe it has a weard shape
the car has a slectair ac unit it works is there a shifter
i can buy it has an s shape ? the power brakes
are ok but think i need disk on front . |
| | | RE: 64 galaxie Q-code in my hood i bought it= -- Travis Miller, 12/07/2002
Power brakes on a 427 Q-code? Where is the brake line routed from the left side to the right side on the frontend of the car? |
| | | RE: 64 galaxie Q-code in my hood i bought it= -- John Saxon, 12/07/2002
Also the factory air sounds suspicious,does the car have power steering too? |
| | | | RE: 64 galaxie Q-code p/s,pb for real -- jr, 12/07/2002
the air ,p/s were dealer installed options when
the car was less than 6 mths old i talked to a guy
that rembered the car when he worked at marsh-
grizzle ford it has been closed for several years
it was cool to talk to him and get some history on my car
thanks jr
ps: it has the same vaccumn system the 390 used on the wagon. and it used the wide shoes and drums. |
| | | | | Good for you, good buy...... -- kevin, 12/09/2002
you will love it. Now I have some questions for you. Is the power assist cylinder lowered, or the motor mounts shimmed (washers under the stud) to get the needed clearance between the cast longs, and the cylinder? You can put discs on, using all Ford parts, and I highly recommend it. Now the owner must have had a tender foot to order that booster to be put in. There were two types, a Bendix and a Midland. You can get the 428 to pretty much equal the 427 performance for the weight of the car, and still be a pleasure to drive. Does it include the original 5.5" wheels? Any pics? |
| | | | | | RE: Good for you, good buy...... -- jr, 12/09/2002
it dont have power sterring i thought it did it turns
real easy it dose have bower brakes ,ac . im sory
bought that and send e mail i will try to send some
pics got a new camra gotta fig it out
gerald |
| | | | | RE:64galaxie Q-code ac,pb for real sory not p/s -- jr, 12/09/2002
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| cam suggestions? -- curt4nu, 12/04/2002
ok here is what i have and would like some suggestions on which cam everyone has had luck with and would suggest for me to use. I have a 66 2dht fairlane, it has a 428 cj block and crank, c6ae-r heads, performer rpm manifold and i am going to be getting some headers for it also. it will have a holly 650 or 750 double pumper. it has the original c6 auto tranny but it has been rebuilt too. i am going to be getting a 3:50 trac loc for the rear. I want this car to be a strong runner but on the street and maybe a time or 2 on the track but is mainly a weekend car that i can get some black stripes in my rear view. are there any other suggestions for me with this car. thanks for your help. i have learned much from here and check the board several times daily.
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| | RE: cam suggestions? -- Mike McQuesten, 12/04/2002
Hey Curt this sounds like a great plan! In my opinion one of the best '60 FoMoCo bodies(come to think of it, I liked them all - even Mustangs!) with a perfect engine/powertrain combo. The 3.50s with your C-6 will be ideal for street and occasional strip. Ford found the 3.50 to be an all around gear set for the standard CJ packages of '68-'70.
You didn't mention tourque convertor and I think it will be important to match the cam you select with the convertor. The wilder the cam the higher stall convertor will be needed.
I've said it before and here goes again, cam selection can be emotional and highly opinionated based on lots of variables. Based on what you're saying your intended use will be, be sane. Don't be going for the big lope.
I still really like the C6OZ-6250-B that was stock with '67 428 PI & Shelby GT500, '66-'68 390GT, and our vaunted 428 Cobra Jet but great(I still can't bring myself to say the CJ was standard) and super CJ. I know Royce will not support this shaft but I'm still thinking about your intended usage. Why not a repro of this cam which Comp and Crane grind with a set of Edelbrock's antipump-up lifters and regular adjustable rockers? I speculate that these lifters and adjustables would allow you to make horsepower to 5,800-5,900 rpm with the smooth old C6OZ-B. I can't help it! I always recommend this old smoothy.
I ran the one cam Ford still offers for the FE through there current Off road parts program or whatever it's called now? I don't have the number handy but your Ford parts counter guy will have it. SVO? SVT? Mustang Cobras Be Us? But anyway this cam worked very well in a 428CJ I ran in a Galaxie and an F100. It would pull hard right to 5,900 but was done and over at 6,000. This with their recommended lifters and my preferred regular B8 adjustable rockers.
I also think a nice solid lifter shaft still is a great way to go. All of the FE grinders provide them. Comp has a 282S that is my current choice but it's still not running. So no advice/opinion on that until.....I hope this spring.
And I'd like to hear more facts based on experience with the Edelbrock RPM cam. It looks serious on paper but how does it really work in a well put together coordinated package?
Again, best wishes. What a great car this is going to be. |
| | | RE: cam suggestions? edelbrock rpm? -- curt4nu, 12/05/2002
ya, that was one of my questions, was wondering if anyone else has used the edelbrock rpm cam or not. would like experinces with it and the 282s comp cam
curt |
| | | | RE: E'brock RPM cam? -- Mike McQuesten, 12/06/2002
It seems no one here has tried this cam curt. You might offer this specific question to a couple of other FE forums. There's got to be someone out there who is running this cam. And I'm talking about running on a real drag strip to give true information on how it works. |
| | | | | RE: Comp Cam -- 427kevin, 12/20/2002
I'm running a 427, 10.25:1 compression, Edelbrock 427 heads (out of the box), headers, 4:30 gear and I believe the 282S comp Cam. It's the Comp Cam with .570 lift 236 @ .050". It runs great, but the HP peaks at 5600RPM. Also, have a Holley 750 DP. I'm a little disappointed that the HP peaks so soon. Not sure if its the cam, valve springs or what, But I've heard the same from others with that cam. It should be good in your application though. (BTW, it is a solid cam too) I've managed to run a 12.90 with it in a 63 Galaxie. Just want more! Good luck |
| | | | | | RE: Comp Cam -- 427kevin, 12/20/2002
I forgot to mention, that i'm running the Edelbrock RPM Performer intake too. No work done to it. :(
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| 66 428 -- mike s, 12/04/2002
yes we talked before what i want to know is what it came out of the block # are c6m3 the date code is 6c7 on the back of the block the flywheel end is the letter A looks like someone welded it on i was told it is a 428 is it or not thanks mike |
| | Re: 66 428 -- MikeMcQ, 12/04/2002
It might be a 428. The block # is probably C6ME and it was cast on March 7, 1966. It could also be a 352 or a 390 or a FT 361/391. You'll have to provide more information to tell. Just C6ME(I have one of those and it's a 391FT) and 6C7 is not enough. |
| | Re: 66 428 -- Pete's Ponies, 12/04/2002
the only way to really know if it is a 428 or not is to measure the bore. They, Ford, used the same casting numbers on mant different blocks. The casting time provided us with a time that it could be a 428: March 1966. It is not a CJ block as they were not made then, but still could be a 428. But, maybe not too :o) |
| | | RE: Re: 66 428 -- Greg, 12/04/2002
It is most likely a '66 standard 428 from a T- bird or the like. The A gives it away.
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