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| help with crank id -- Greg, 11/18/2002
O.K. I've looked all over this crank, and checked in the interchange manual. The only numbers on this crank are on the foremost throw and read 23 on one side and 24 on the other. It's supposed to be a 360 block that I had plans on stroking to 390 with the right crank and rods. But now I wonder. The block also has four motor mount holes. Any ideas on the crank? Thanks Greg |
| | I'll take a S.W.A.G. at it. -- Dave Shoe, 11/22/2002
It sounds like the crank is late enough to make an accurate identification using the flywheel flange features. Note this does is not accurate with 1965-earlier cranks, but I'm thinking you've probably got a later crank.
This info is probably accurate from 1966-later, but since you're talking 360, I'll constrain the dates to the 360 era which started in 1968.
If the flywheel flange has a 1/4" square cutout and six threaded holes, it's a 390 crank.
If the flywheel flange has the above mentioned features PLUS a crescent (half moon) about an inch diameter cut into the flange to create clearance for the drill bit that hollows out the rear crank throw. Note that the early 390s also got this crescent, until the engineers realized the 390 throw was long enough that there was no need for the extra machining step. I think this epiphany hit when the 410/428 crank was being designed.
Shoe. |
| Lifter Tick 428 -- Rick, 11/18/2002
428 CJ (hydraulic Cam / lifter) rebuilt motor 5000 miles ago. Shortly after rebuild (500 miles or so) it started having a severe lifter tick when motor hot and restarted, but only lasts a minute or so. I replaced the oil pump with a Melling HP+HV pump - alittle better but still there (it did pull the pressure up from 18 at hot idle to 26 and from 40 hot 2000 RPM to 65. I have tried several wghts of oil including synthetic - same results . I have changed lifters - same results I know oil press is a hereditary problem on the FE's BUT THIS IS AGGRIVATING ! Do you know the solution ? |
| big block heater heat shield -- holliday, 11/18/2002
I saw a heater heat shield for sale on e-bay this weekend and am wondering if you guys can tell me about them. I am working on a '67 GT500 and have seen these on some cars and not others. This is the metal bracket that mounts to the firewall and covers the heater motor. Should my car have this? A post on the main page of this forum said they may have been to protect the heater motor during installation of the engine and then removed. Any information would be appreciated. Also, the part sold for $60 in good shape, is this about right for value? Thanks! |
| 67 390 ?Confused with Rods and Pistons? -- Wilson, 11/18/2002
I put new pistons in my 390. I dodnt get know rods but now that I have the engine apart I am not sure which way the rods are supposed to face or which hole they are supposed to be in? Can anybody help me with this? Also the new pistons are numbered. They are Identical so how could it matter which cylinder they go in? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks |
| | RE: 67 390 ?Confused with Rods and Pistons? -- Bill, 11/18/2002
pass side
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8
driver side |
| | The bevel on the rod faces the crank [n/m] -- Dan Davis, 11/18/2002
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| | RE: 67 390 ?Confused with Rods and Pistons? -- Rollie H., 11/19/2002
There is an oiling hole in the small end of the rod which allows oil to get to the wrist pin. It should be pointing toward the top inside of the engine and not down and out. Maybe it could work the other way ok, but Ford didn't do it that way. The C clips used to keep the wrist pin in the piston go in a certain way also. Install them with the smooth rounded edge side against the pin and the rougher sharper edge side to the outside. |
| c0ae-d heads -- jr, 11/16/2002
what are they they have a hart chamber and i was told they are real hard to find ,hipo heads is this true an can i traid thim for cj heads some one please help im not shure what i have thanks a holelot . jr. |
| | Re: 352/390hp -- Mike McQuesten, 11/18/2002
The COAE-D head is correct for 1960 HP352 and 1961 HP390.
They are increasingly difficult to find just like 406, 427 and 428 Cobra Jet heads.
You can trade them for CJ heads if you can find someone who is willing.
The COAE-D does have a 58cc combustion chamber. If run with a flat top piston the compression ratio would be too high for available at the pump fuels. I'm running a set with C3J marine/industrial pistons that have a dish similar to the '61-'62 390. This provides a 10.5:1 compression ratio which will be marginal with 92 octane unleaded. |
| Just acquired a pair of heads -- Dave Moran, 11/15/2002
Hi everybody, I just acquired a pair of heads that came off a Cobra replica with a 428. The first head wears the casting #C3AE-6090-J, and the second head has C4AE-6090-H. I have no idea what these heads came off. Can somebody help?? Thanks.....Dave Moran |
| | RE: Just acquired a pair of heads -- Travis Miller, 11/15/2002
C3AE-6090-J is a 1963-64 427 Low Riser head.
C4AE-6090-H is a late 1964 and early 1965 427 Low Riser head. |
| Water pump lower left leak on 67/390? -- Phil J, 11/14/2002
I have a 67 GT with a 390 and air. I had a leak coming from the lower left attaching bolt. I removed the pump, checked all mating surfaces and even replaced the pump. All was okay for a while (4 months) then it started leaking again,same spot.Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions or cures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Phil J |
| | RE: Water pump lower left leak on 67/390? -- afret, 11/14/2002
I know the passenger side lower bolt goes into the water passage. You have to make sure you put sealer on the bolt threads or a leak will develop. |
| | RE: Water pump lower left leak on 67/390? -- Todd Bolzer, 11/19/2002
Is it the gasket leaking or is antifreeze coming out from under the bolt? Three of the bolts that retain the water pump have lock washers permanently fastened to the bolt. The fourth bolt does not use a washer and has a special seat right under the head. This was Ford's way of sealing that bolt that goes through to the water jacket. |
| | Thanks all, I believe Todd hit it,................ -- Phil J, 11/19/2002
on the head. Three bolts do have lock washers, bit there is no sealing washer on the problem bolt. Thanks much for all the input.
Phil J |
| 390>67 Mustang Swap(again) -- Mike, 11/14/2002
Hey guy's I read alot othe archives on this but still missing alot of info. Just wondering if I did this what would be involved? Right now my car has new 620 coils and wondered if those will need swapped. I was just wondering how good a stock 390 is for a daily driver and weekend cruise ins. I have read that the FE have some oil problems. I am brand new at Big Blocks Thanks for any help Mike
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| | The oiling problems you've heard are wrong. -- Dave Shoe, 11/15/2002
The FE does have one oiling problem, but it's not related to all the BS that's been written over the years.
The only weak spot in the FE oiling system is the 5 quart front sump pan, because a hard accelerating FE can dump the oil to the rear of the pan causing the pump to suck air.
Oversized oil pans in performance FEs and avoidance of performance oil pumps in stock panned slower FEs are keys to longevity.
Lots has been spoken on this topic in this forum. An factory FE race engine flows as much as 12 gallons a minute at 7000 RPM, and a stock volume pump will flow twice this amount at 7000 RPM.
The 390 is a great street engine for a Mustang. If you seek performance in a Fairlane or Mustang, you'll NEED to remove the stock exhaust manifolds and install headers which port match the particular head you are running. There are two port positions in FE heads, and none of the header manufacturers (except FPA) seem to be clued in as to which type of port a car has, so you'll also want to verify you've selected the correct headers before buying them.
Search keyword "mismatch" or maybe "reversion" to find the exhaust port topic, and "sucking" or maybe "quart" to find the oiling topic.
Shoe. |
| | | RE: The oiling problems you've heard are wrong. -- mike, 11/15/2002
Thanks Shoe. I wondered about all that ...talk. I guess from a bunch of die hard small blockers(J/K) I really would like the 390 in my car and a stock build would be enough for me. I am going tomorrow to look at a few. Guy has 2 or 3 he said. Probably all truck motors. Thanks again mike |
| | | | RE: Background? -- Courtney Bolze, 11/15/2002
Mike, what is that in the back ground of the photo of that springtime yellow '67? I say go for the 390 in your '67, I have a "stock" 390 in my mach1 with basic mods, CI CJ intake, k&n xtream top and filter, 600 edelbrock carb, grocery getter comp 260 cam, FRED jones duraspark dist and FPA headders, I try to drive it 2 to 3 times a week. Runs smooth and docile until I stomp the 2ndairies :-) Any questions about the swap can be answered here if it has not been allready. Courtney. |
| | | | | Looks like an AC Cobra....N/M -- John, 11/15/2002
N/m |
| | | | | it's a 68 MGB that was...... -- Mike, 11/15/2002
....my mgb with 302 project. I inherited a Dodge P/U and we moved and the wife said one to many and.... Just kidding. I had one to many projects as I had a 73 B as my daily driver and the 68 had to go as it was low on the priority list. The funny thing is that when we moved, I found the lil B in the woods where the guy bought it. Only 4 or 5 houses away! weird. Thanks for the help. I'm excited about my 390 install and build up MIke
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| | | | | | RE: Gotta like that 16 valve upgrade n/m -- Courtney Bolze, 11/15/2002
:-) |
| intake -- Chuck, 11/14/2002
C5AE-9425-B Can anyone identify this intake and what engine it was on. Thanks |
| | If it's cast iron... -- Dave Shoe, 11/14/2002
...it came on all 1965 FEs including 352 pickup trucks.
I don't recall whether it's a 2V or 4V version, but both were exactly the same, other than the carb flange. Also, I believe some of these intakes had large holes for the thermostat, and some had small holes, but the casting number may have been the same for both hole sizes.
If I recall, the oil filler had disappeared from the intake manifold after 1964, and only a trace of where the filler tube was positioned remained in the manifold casting. By 1966 the oil filler features had fully disappeared.
Note the 1965 manifold was basically identical to the 1958-64 manifold, except in minor detail such as position of fittings and such. The 1965 intake was used only one year.
Because of new State and Federal emissions laws, 1966 marked a whole new era for the FE intake. The design was markedly changed in 1966, and two distinct designs resulted.
Shoe. |
| | | RE: If it's cast iron... -- Chuck, 11/14/2002
Thanks Dave, At the time I posted I did'nt know anymore about it, but have since found out its a 2 barrel. A friend called me wanting to know about it because it was in a dump truck. That seems odd that it would be a 2 barrel. Your knowledge is amazing. Thanks agian. |
| | | | If it's in a dump truck, it's an FT. -- Dave Shoe, 11/14/2002
The FT engine was found on 500-800 series Ford trucks, the FE on 100-300 series. Most dump trucks were F500 or larger. Not many used the F300 series truck.
The FT intake will have no value in an FE application, primarily because the runners are dinky and the heat riser port is postioned incompatibly with FE heads.
I suspect the truck has a 330 CID FT, though if it's a larger series truck it might have a 361FT, or an optional (extra cost) 391FT. The 391 was a 4-barrel (the best I can remember), so you're dealing with a 330FT or 361FT.
FT blocks, 361 cranks, and 391 cranks are desirable in car applications. A couple other parts can also be ported over to performance applications, but not the heads or intakes.
Note that 330FT blocks typically bores out to 352 and 390 displacements with ease, but they don't have the cylinders to go out to 428. Most 361/391 blocks can go out to 428 dimensions, sonic map permitting.
As always, my observations may contain errors. Use with caution.
Shoe. |
| | | | | Oops. I'm wrong. -- Dave Shoe, 11/14/2002
It's an FE intake off a 352 truck. The part number verifies it's not an FT intake.
Shoe. |
| Performance potential of a 352? -- 352for $50, 11/14/2002
It is out of a '63 Galaxie, 2bbl motor,Does this motor respond well to bolt ons, and maybe a different cam? would it at least be as strong as a 350 chevy with similar modifications? thanks |
| | RE: Performance potential of a 352? -- Joel, 11/14/2002
Give these guys the head casting number, that might help with the analysis. I'd guess that since it's a pre-emissions motor, a dual plane manifold, 4 barrel carb, and a set of headers would bump the power output up some. It's probably got smallish valves (~2.02/1.55) and low compression (~7:1) which would limit it some. |
| | | RE: Performance potential of a 352? -- 352for$50, 11/14/2002
it would seem that 2.02/ 1.55 valves would be plenty big for 352 cubic inches, given that for years the hot 350 chevy head was the 2.02 valve head.I don't know how the porting is on a 2bbl 352 head though. But it's only $50. thanks |
| | | | RE: Performance potential of a 352? -- Joel, 11/14/2002
If your mostly concerned with performance, it would be wise to find a good 390 4V for a build-up. Intake, carb, headers, and cam would probably get you close to 350HP. |
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