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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7865&Reply=7865><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Pertronix vs. stock electronic distributor</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Earl Wood, <i>08/28/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am building a 75 390 truck engine  and wondered if I would be better off to use the stock 75 electronic distributor or use a Pertronix? Neither have ever been installed on this particular vehicle so I do not have the control module. Wouldn't an earlier unit (Pertronix) have a better advance curve? </blockquote> Pertronix vs. stock electronic distributor -- Earl Wood, 08/28/2001
I am building a 75 390 truck engine and wondered if I would be better off to use the stock 75 electronic distributor or use a Pertronix? Neither have ever been installed on this particular vehicle so I do not have the control module. Wouldn't an earlier unit (Pertronix) have a better advance curve?
 RE: Pertronix vs. stock -- Paul M, 08/29/2001
Pertronix Pertronix Pertronix. ;->

The advance curve, I believe, is still set with the distributor, not the module.

But if you have your choice, go with the Pertronix in a older style distributor. It will be more accurate than the Dura-Spark. Just as a precaution, keep a set of points in the glove box (I always carry a spare set even though I'm still running points!) because, some day it WILL fail. Might be a long time coming, but it's simple enough to put the points back in and get home!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7864&Reply=7864><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>C4AE-G heads</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Earl Wood, <i>08/28/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I saw a listing on ebay for a set of C4AE-G heads and listed them as Police Intercepter heads. I have a 65 F-100 (352 ENGINE) with these heads and it appears stock. Whats the real scoop on these heads. Are they worth anything (ie. on a 66 390 4bbl engine)? </blockquote> C4AE-G heads -- Earl Wood, 08/28/2001
I saw a listing on ebay for a set of C4AE-G heads and listed them as Police Intercepter heads. I have a 65 F-100 (352 ENGINE) with these heads and it appears stock. Whats the real scoop on these heads. Are they worth anything (ie. on a 66 390 4bbl engine)?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7869&Reply=7864><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C4AE-G heads</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul M, <i>08/29/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Do a search with the above search button for "C4AE-G" in the message body.  I found lots of answers!  Basically they are good flowing heads, and will accept CJ size valves well, but lack the bosses necessary to run GT or CJ style exhaust.<br><br>Could pose a sticky problem trying to use them in a Mustang!<br><br>With your truck, they should do well be it on your 352 or a 390 transplant. </blockquote> RE: C4AE-G heads -- Paul M, 08/29/2001
Do a search with the above search button for "C4AE-G" in the message body. I found lots of answers! Basically they are good flowing heads, and will accept CJ size valves well, but lack the bosses necessary to run GT or CJ style exhaust.

Could pose a sticky problem trying to use them in a Mustang!

With your truck, they should do well be it on your 352 or a 390 transplant.
 RE: C4AE-G heads -- Mike McQuesten, 08/29/2001
Those heads were fairly common from mid '64 into '65. Could be found on 352s and 390s. As Paul has indicated, they are great heads to build. I ran a set of these with CJ/low riser valves on a '64 427. Excellent running engine. Still is. As for their value.....not much yet. Might be someday. Still fairly easy to find in the bone yards, back yards, back forty, back building, etc. Build 'em and they'll flow like C8OE-Ns.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7863&Reply=7863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Timing gears for  FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Earl Wood, <i>08/28/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Is the timing gear set the same for 66 as for 75? I was told that on the later models, the gears retarded the timing. Is the truck the same as the car? I am building a 75 truck 390 and wondered if the early timing set (if different) would be better. </blockquote> Timing gears for FE -- Earl Wood, 08/28/2001
Is the timing gear set the same for 66 as for 75? I was told that on the later models, the gears retarded the timing. Is the truck the same as the car? I am building a 75 truck 390 and wondered if the early timing set (if different) would be better.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7866&Reply=7863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Timing gears for  FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mel Clark, <i>08/28/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Somewhere around '71-'72 Ford retarded the cam timing by 4* for a better emissions rating by changing the position of  the key slot in the crank gear.<br>You would be best off if you bought a double roller chain that has steel gears on the cam as well as at the crank. These are usually available with straight up timing or either 4* advance or retard at the crank, this gives you the option of fine tuning. If  you are only interested in everyday performance you should set the gear straight up.  </blockquote> RE: Timing gears for FE -- Mel Clark, 08/28/2001
Somewhere around '71-'72 Ford retarded the cam timing by 4* for a better emissions rating by changing the position of the key slot in the crank gear.
You would be best off if you bought a double roller chain that has steel gears on the cam as well as at the crank. These are usually available with straight up timing or either 4* advance or retard at the crank, this gives you the option of fine tuning. If you are only interested in everyday performance you should set the gear straight up.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7867&Reply=7863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Doesn't Ford Motorsports' timing set do that?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul M, <i>08/29/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Seems to me, IIRC &lt;can't find my catalog&gt; that the double roller they sell had 3 keyways for that purpose.  Any other brands that are better, by chance? </blockquote> Doesn't Ford Motorsports' timing set do that? -- Paul M, 08/29/2001
Seems to me, IIRC <can't find my catalog> that the double roller they sell had 3 keyways for that purpose. Any other brands that are better, by chance?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7870&Reply=7863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Doesn't Ford Motorsports' timing set do that?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mel Clark, <i>08/29/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>If they do I'm sure they would be as good or better than the rest. </blockquote> RE: Doesn't Ford Motorsports' timing set do that? -- Mel Clark, 08/29/2001
If they do I'm sure they would be as good or better than the rest.
 RE:Yes on FoMoCo's M-Sports -- Mike McQuesten, 08/29/2001
Yes, you're right Paul, the Motorsport timing set for the FE does have the multi-index feature. It's a good set. Worked well on a old CJ of mine.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7878&Reply=7863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Timing gears for  FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ray, <i>08/29/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>All the same, use a double roller so you can advance the cam 2 degrees! It should run hard on the bottom at 2. Ray </blockquote> RE: Timing gears for FE -- Ray, 08/29/2001
All the same, use a double roller so you can advance the cam 2 degrees! It should run hard on the bottom at 2. Ray
 RE: Timing gears for FE -- Earl Wood, 08/29/2001
Thanks for the input. I think I found my answer!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7856&Reply=7856><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>427 screw in freeze plugs</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bill White, <i>08/27/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>HELP, I am looking for a set of 427 screw in freeze plugs, any idea where I can find some. I have tried all of the plumbing stores looking for 1 1/2 tapered NPT block plugs but have only found the cast plugs with the external sqaure heads not the internal hex. What size are the Ford MOTORSPORTS? Even those only have the internal square. ANY help would be appreciated. </blockquote> 427 screw in freeze plugs -- Bill White, 08/27/2001
HELP, I am looking for a set of 427 screw in freeze plugs, any idea where I can find some. I have tried all of the plumbing stores looking for 1 1/2 tapered NPT block plugs but have only found the cast plugs with the external sqaure heads not the internal hex. What size are the Ford MOTORSPORTS? Even those only have the internal square. ANY help would be appreciated.
 RE: 427 screw in freeze plugs -- Mel Clark, 08/27/2001
If you cannot find the correct screw in core plugs you could have some made by any competent industrial machine shop. If I had to have them made I would use brass or bronze. I believe they are out there, I just haven't seen any. When you are looking for a block the screw in plugs are an indication of the blocks made of the high nickel ore and they are tougher than the earlier blocks. These blocks came with the 7,000 rpm kits as well as the medium and high riser engines. They were also the block used for the SOHC engines.
 RE: 427 screw in freeze plugs -- Dave Shoe, 08/27/2001
I don't know if these are identical to the factory plugs, but they are apparently compatible with them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593353846

You might give BB a jingle at the fordfe.com forum and ask.

Shoe.
 RE: 427 screw in freeze plugs -- Mel Clark, 08/28/2001
This may be your lucky day! The Ford part number for the core plugs you want is; #378838-S. The description is; Plug, Pipe 1 1/2" core holes in block sides. You need 6@ of these. Do you play Lotto? You may have a better chance there. Good luck.
 RE: 427 screw in freeze plugs -- Mark Talbot, 08/28/2001
Maybe one of these places can help: Autogear fasteners 1-800-221-1206 or Pittsburgh Plug & Products 724-538-4022 Ext.21 Mark
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7873&Reply=7856><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 427 screw in freeze plugs</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Andy, <i>08/29/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>have a set for 427, new , never installed  all  6<br><br> $ 20<br><br>www.427comet.com<br><br><br> </blockquote> RE: 427 screw in freeze plugs -- Andy, 08/29/2001
have a set for 427, new , never installed all 6

$ 20

www.427comet.com


 RE: That's a good deal! -- Mel Clark, 08/29/2001
Sounds good to me!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7852&Reply=7852><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>cruse</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>nick, <i>08/26/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>is the cruse o matic  a decent transmition for a mildy built moter or should i swap in  c4 or so </blockquote> cruse -- nick, 08/26/2001
is the cruse o matic a decent transmition for a mildy built moter or should i swap in c4 or so
 RE: cruse -- Mike McQuesten, 08/27/2001
Yes, the cruisomatic is a very decent transmission for a mildly built FE. You'd have a difficult time adapting a C-4 but it has been done. You probably are referring to a C-6 which became available in 1966. Just have your cruisomatic rebuilt with a shift improver kit. Stock torque convertor. With a mild 352/390, it works great.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7848&Reply=7848><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Oil Pressure</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Big Daddy, <i>08/26/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Im running a fresh 390 30 over, forged pistons, complete Edelbrock Performer RPM package with all the goddies ...everything is new from the ARP bolts to the MSD ign ... When I start it up I have @50 lbs of pressure, but as soon as the thing warms up it drops to @25-30 lbs at highway speeds. When I slow to stop and idle it drops to 10-15 lbs ...what can be the problem? Is it a problem?  </blockquote> Oil Pressure -- Big Daddy, 08/26/2001
Im running a fresh 390 30 over, forged pistons, complete Edelbrock Performer RPM package with all the goddies ...everything is new from the ARP bolts to the MSD ign ... When I start it up I have @50 lbs of pressure, but as soon as the thing warms up it drops to @25-30 lbs at highway speeds. When I slow to stop and idle it drops to 10-15 lbs ...what can be the problem? Is it a problem?
 RE: Oil Pressure -- Tom G, 08/26/2001
Change your brand of oil. Or the viscosity I had a 66 428 do similiar things it was a fresh rebuild or so I was told till one day I flooded the cylinders with a holley leakdown or stuck float. It then developed a knock and low oil pressure when it got hot. I even replaced the oil pump and pump shaft which by the way have a tendency of rounding off. Still to no avail on oil pressure problem I did find what looked like a piece of rod bearing material in the oil pan. I ended up selling the truck and the motor. I would take a look at the oil pump drive shaft first though.
Good luck
Tom G
 RE: Oil Pressure -- John R. Barnes, 08/26/2001
You need about 10 psi per 1000 rpm. May have overtightened the oil pump and extruded a gasket and did you restrict the oil passage to the rockers. May need to thicken the oil to compensate for wide rod side clearance. Good luck.
 RE: Oil Pressure -- John, 09/02/2001
Well.....hmmm...I hate to disagree, but first of all, I doubt the brand of oil will affect the pressure. Second, 10 psi per 1000 rpm is not right for these engines. It is OK for Chevs, but not for Fords. Any type of engine requires about the same pressure at the bearings, regardless of type. But we don't measure it there. It is measured usually just after the oil filter before the oil galleries. Fords have small restrictive oil galleries compared to a Chev. Therefore, you need more pressure at the gauge in order to have the same pressure at the bearings. Now, you should have over 40 psi at 2000 rpm with the engine hot. You don't seem to have anywhere near this. Main bearing wear is the most likely culprit, although since your engine was just rebuilt, it is unlikely you have much wear. I suspect something is leaking inside....loose pick-up, loose oil pump, loose cam retaining plate bolt (which seals off a gallery), loose or popped out oil retaining plugs, excessive wear on the rocker shafts allowing pressure loss, etc. At any rate, it doesn't sound good, and I think I would take the engine back to the guy who rebuilt it and have it torn down before major damage/wear occurs.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7845&Reply=7845><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>hp</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>nick, <i>08/25/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>if my 65 352 has 250 horse stock what is the torqe  and  is it bhp . also if i put a mild com an intake and a double pumper and a set of hesders would that give me around 350 or not  </blockquote> hp -- nick, 08/25/2001
if my 65 352 has 250 horse stock what is the torqe and is it bhp . also if i put a mild com an intake and a double pumper and a set of hesders would that give me around 350 or not
 Re: not -- Mel Clark, 08/25/2001
> if my 65 352 has 250 horse stock what is the torqe and is it bhp . also
> if i put a mild com an intake and a double pumper and a set of hesders
> would that give me around 350 or not

 RE: hp -- Neppy, 08/26/2001
Stock torque in a '66 was 352 at the flywheel. I'm pretty sure it was the same in '65. And just for knowledge sake, the compression was 9.3:1, the HP peaked at 4400 RPM and the torque peaked at 2800(I think).
I doubt there were enough, if any, changes between '65 and '66 that would effect it very much.
 RE: hp -- Paul C., 08/28/2001
At top of page hit engines, look it up!!
 250 hp ? -- nick, 08/25/2001
if the 65 352 has 250 horse than wat was the torque rating . and was it bhp or at the flywheele
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7841&Reply=7841><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>can the '69 Cobra handle the pressure?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mikeb, <i>08/25/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>would like to have input on on whether or not it would be wise to use a pressure washer , 2000psi, to clean underneath the car, or would this remove my undercoating too?<br>thanks </blockquote> can the '69 Cobra handle the pressure? -- mikeb, 08/25/2001
would like to have input on on whether or not it would be wise to use a pressure washer , 2000psi, to clean underneath the car, or would this remove my undercoating too?
thanks
 It'll prob peel off the rubbery seam sealer n/m -- Ross, 08/25/2001
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7829&Reply=7829><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Looking for....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mel Clark, <i>08/25/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone out there have a '64 Ford or Mercury with an "M" engine code? That they might want to dispose of? </blockquote> Looking for.... -- Mel Clark, 08/25/2001
Does anyone out there have a '64 Ford or Mercury with an "M" engine code? That they might want to dispose of?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7854&Reply=7829><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:M code?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>08/27/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Was there really such a '64 Ford/Mercury built?  I haven't got my "resources" with me but I'm guessing from memory that you are asking about the fabled '64 390 tri power option?  I have heard about this package that was supposedly made available on a limited basis.   Then I read a few years ago that the "package" was nothing more than the P code police package with a dealer installed tri power induction system that was available over the counter.  I'd really like to know more about this M code.   </blockquote> RE:M code? -- Mike McQuesten, 08/27/2001
Was there really such a '64 Ford/Mercury built? I haven't got my "resources" with me but I'm guessing from memory that you are asking about the fabled '64 390 tri power option? I have heard about this package that was supposedly made available on a limited basis. Then I read a few years ago that the "package" was nothing more than the P code police package with a dealer installed tri power induction system that was available over the counter. I'd really like to know more about this M code.
 RE:M code? -- Mel Clark, 08/27/2001
Shop Tips Vol. 11 #2 of Oct 1972 lists this engine as a 396 cid 4V. That's why I'm looking and have been for years.
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