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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7561&Reply=7561><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Holley street dominator</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bear, <i>08/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone hqave any information on this intake.  I pickerd one up for $75 dollars at a swapmeet.  I have naver seen one for and FE before so I bought it.  What is it's RPM range is basically what I want to now.  Thanks.  </blockquote> Holley street dominator -- bear, 08/10/2001
Does anyone hqave any information on this intake. I pickerd one up for $75 dollars at a swapmeet. I have naver seen one for and FE before so I bought it. What is it's RPM range is basically what I want to now. Thanks.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7566&Reply=7561><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>does anybody know this intake n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bear, <i>08/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> does anybody know this intake n/m -- bear, 08/11/2001
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 Off idle through 6000 rpms...n/t -- Flack_Jack, 08/11/2001
 RE: Holley street dominator -- Mel, 08/11/2001
I'm new to this site but, I have lots of FE experience. Can you post a pic or give a detailed description? Does it have a Ford part number? Is it a Holley made intake manifold? Many Ford made intakes will flow well beyond 8,000rpm. The real question should be, can your engine handle it?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7579&Reply=7561><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Holley street dominator</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ross, <i>08/12/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>That manifold is all done by 6000.  Its basically a copy of the Edelbrock streetmaster with a little more port and plenum, but not much.<br><br>I run one on my truck, (.040 390, 9.5:1, 280H Comp Cam, 600 Holley, headers, CJ valves in early 390 heads)  Its all done by 5800 or so, but so is my cam/carb combo.<br><br>By opening up the plenum and port matching, they can spin a little higher, but its not a race manifold.  That and the Edelbrock Streetmaster were designed to be high velocity, small runner single plane manifolds for street use.  <br><br>Its absolutley worth 75 bucks, and in nice shape will bring about 200 in Ebay circles </blockquote> RE: Holley street dominator -- Ross, 08/12/2001
That manifold is all done by 6000. Its basically a copy of the Edelbrock streetmaster with a little more port and plenum, but not much.

I run one on my truck, (.040 390, 9.5:1, 280H Comp Cam, 600 Holley, headers, CJ valves in early 390 heads) Its all done by 5800 or so, but so is my cam/carb combo.

By opening up the plenum and port matching, they can spin a little higher, but its not a race manifold. That and the Edelbrock Streetmaster were designed to be high velocity, small runner single plane manifolds for street use.

Its absolutley worth 75 bucks, and in nice shape will bring about 200 in Ebay circles
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7582&Reply=7561><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Holley street dominator</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mel, <i>08/12/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>The 360 degree type of manifolds were originally designed for high rpm operatio, they are reputedly no good for normal street use but many, including myself, have found the opposite to be true.  </blockquote> RE: Holley street dominator -- Mel, 08/12/2001
The 360 degree type of manifolds were originally designed for high rpm operatio, they are reputedly no good for normal street use but many, including myself, have found the opposite to be true.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7586&Reply=7561><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Holley street dominator</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ross, <i>08/12/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>The Street Dominator and the Streetmaster from Edelbrock are not your normal single plane intake though.  They were made for low-mid range.  If you look at the runners, they are tiny, smaller than a standard intake, but the straight runners made decent power up to about 5500.<br><br>I run an Offy Portosonic on my 427, and that too is a single plane, but an entirely different animal.  Big runners, big plenum, and will spin above 7000 all day long.  The streetmasters and dominators were made for regular old car and truck motors, they arent racing manifolds, but they do run goos and certainly save a pile of weight </blockquote> RE: Holley street dominator -- Ross, 08/12/2001
The Street Dominator and the Streetmaster from Edelbrock are not your normal single plane intake though. They were made for low-mid range. If you look at the runners, they are tiny, smaller than a standard intake, but the straight runners made decent power up to about 5500.

I run an Offy Portosonic on my 427, and that too is a single plane, but an entirely different animal. Big runners, big plenum, and will spin above 7000 all day long. The streetmasters and dominators were made for regular old car and truck motors, they arent racing manifolds, but they do run goos and certainly save a pile of weight
 RE: Holley street dominator -- Mel, 08/12/2001
I agree, the aftermarket intake manufacturers were just trying to sell manifolds. A 360 design that has small runners is really just a weight saver and an ego booster. The 427 Fords run great with a tunnel wedge manifold on the low and medium riser heads, rpm and horse power is limited by the carbs that are run. When I was drag racing I ran the medium riser with the tunnel wedge intake and a pair of 660 center squirters. This was great for the track but didn't like the street, the 780s were much more at home on the street.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7603&Reply=7561><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Run one on my 67 Shelby</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Morgan, <i>08/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I switched from factory dual carbs, to a Holley Dominator intake with a Holley 750 vac secondary carb. My life has been a lot easier.  Good intake, but it does not have the low end power that the factory dual carb intake had.  The dual carbs did look good but this runs so much better than two worn out Holley's.  </blockquote> RE: Run one on my 67 Shelby -- Morgan, 08/13/2001
I switched from factory dual carbs, to a Holley Dominator intake with a Holley 750 vac secondary carb. My life has been a lot easier. Good intake, but it does not have the low end power that the factory dual carb intake had. The dual carbs did look good but this runs so much better than two worn out Holley's.
 Thanks for the INFO N/M -- bear, 08/13/2001
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 Ran across this while surfin -- Gus, 08/08/2001
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7551&Reply=7551><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Eric's '66 F-lane Z code</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>08/08/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've been away a few days and in reading over the forum I noticed that Eric indicated that he had a Z code '66 Fairlane that was supposedly equipped with 4.11s.  He figured out with the shop manual that that was not likely (notice that I'm getting better at not making bold statements of what I "thought" were facts..unsound opinions?).   From what I know and have learned over these many years, Fairlane GT 390 cars(S code) and or 390-4V(300 horse standard mill) with stick shifts, (The 3 speed w/floor control in a GT was standard) or 4 speeds came factory installed with 3.25s.   I think 3.00s were optional but I'm not sure on this and why would anyone want to go that high anyway?  Oh ya, state cruisers with Fairlane stick/big blocks......?  Anyway, with all the Fairlanes I've owned, both GTs and Z codes and Y codes, I'm talking just 390 'lanes now and not the numerous 289/200 cars, I've never seen one that with anything lower than 3.25 rear gearing.   FoMoCo offered all the gear ratios could you imagine but they were dealer/owner installed.  There are a lot of strange combos out there though.   I have seen two factory 4.11 cars for sure, one was a Z code '61 Galaxie Starliner that was/ still is actually, a 390 HP/375 horse, that had the stick and overdrive with 4.11 Equa-lock, the other car was a '64 Fairlane 289HP/271 horse car, that had a code indicating a 4.11 open rear set.   But I'm real skeptical about any Fairlane 390 in '66 or '67 that got put on a convoy trailer from an assembly plant with anything steeper than 3.25s.   But I'm open to anyone willing to share their VIN plate info with us to expand my horizons.  Anyway Eric, good luck with building that Z code 'lane into a great runner with your Performer RPM plans.  Our annual All Ford show is this weekend and I'm excited because it's being held in conjunction/cooperation with the National Fairlane Club hosting a mini Nationals meet.   I'm proud to have been one of the founding members of the Fairlane Club many many years ago.  It was formed mainly thanks to Glenn Packard in Pennsylvania.   I've fallen away but will always admire all things Fairlane, any year, any body.    </blockquote> Eric's '66 F-lane Z code -- Mike McQuesten, 08/08/2001
I've been away a few days and in reading over the forum I noticed that Eric indicated that he had a Z code '66 Fairlane that was supposedly equipped with 4.11s. He figured out with the shop manual that that was not likely (notice that I'm getting better at not making bold statements of what I "thought" were facts..unsound opinions?). From what I know and have learned over these many years, Fairlane GT 390 cars(S code) and or 390-4V(300 horse standard mill) with stick shifts, (The 3 speed w/floor control in a GT was standard) or 4 speeds came factory installed with 3.25s. I think 3.00s were optional but I'm not sure on this and why would anyone want to go that high anyway? Oh ya, state cruisers with Fairlane stick/big blocks......? Anyway, with all the Fairlanes I've owned, both GTs and Z codes and Y codes, I'm talking just 390 'lanes now and not the numerous 289/200 cars, I've never seen one that with anything lower than 3.25 rear gearing. FoMoCo offered all the gear ratios could you imagine but they were dealer/owner installed. There are a lot of strange combos out there though. I have seen two factory 4.11 cars for sure, one was a Z code '61 Galaxie Starliner that was/ still is actually, a 390 HP/375 horse, that had the stick and overdrive with 4.11 Equa-lock, the other car was a '64 Fairlane 289HP/271 horse car, that had a code indicating a 4.11 open rear set. But I'm real skeptical about any Fairlane 390 in '66 or '67 that got put on a convoy trailer from an assembly plant with anything steeper than 3.25s. But I'm open to anyone willing to share their VIN plate info with us to expand my horizons. Anyway Eric, good luck with building that Z code 'lane into a great runner with your Performer RPM plans. Our annual All Ford show is this weekend and I'm excited because it's being held in conjunction/cooperation with the National Fairlane Club hosting a mini Nationals meet. I'm proud to have been one of the founding members of the Fairlane Club many many years ago. It was formed mainly thanks to Glenn Packard in Pennsylvania. I've fallen away but will always admire all things Fairlane, any year, any body.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7553&Reply=7551><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Fairlane Legacy.  (And Galaxies too!)</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul M, <i>08/08/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I remember growing up, being a teen in the late `70's early `80's, seeing and hearing trash talk about Galaxies and Fairlanes; How ordinary, boxy, dull, and boring cars they were, and noone (well, very, very few) wanted them, preferring the the GM styles, or even Mopars.  It wasn't necessarily about performance, either, mostly just styles, and looks.<br><br>Silly, foolish people they were.<br><br>Makes me wish I could have afforded the few good ones that came along in the want-ads, because it seemed that those that DID like them, held on to them like glue.  And now I know why, wishing to beat-all that I could afford one now.  If anything, my appreciation and love for those old Fords, as WELL as the early Mustangs, has done nothing but grow over the years.  And 2 years ago, I was almost ready to start my collection.   But, <br>a serious work injury, and a year+ unemployment later, I have to start all over again, from ground zero, and drool all over what cars you folks are all fortunate enough to enjoy.<br><br>But that's okay, my time's coming, and I am patient enough to wait.  In the meantime, the more I learn, the better I'll be for it, and the more I can laugh at Brand X owners who JUST DONT GET IT!<br><br>So, keep building them, keep racing them, keep doing whatever it is you feel the desire to do, as long as we get to here about it, that makes me happy!<br><br><br> </blockquote> Fairlane Legacy. (And Galaxies too!) -- Paul M, 08/08/2001
I remember growing up, being a teen in the late `70's early `80's, seeing and hearing trash talk about Galaxies and Fairlanes; How ordinary, boxy, dull, and boring cars they were, and noone (well, very, very few) wanted them, preferring the the GM styles, or even Mopars. It wasn't necessarily about performance, either, mostly just styles, and looks.

Silly, foolish people they were.

Makes me wish I could have afforded the few good ones that came along in the want-ads, because it seemed that those that DID like them, held on to them like glue. And now I know why, wishing to beat-all that I could afford one now. If anything, my appreciation and love for those old Fords, as WELL as the early Mustangs, has done nothing but grow over the years. And 2 years ago, I was almost ready to start my collection. But,
a serious work injury, and a year+ unemployment later, I have to start all over again, from ground zero, and drool all over what cars you folks are all fortunate enough to enjoy.

But that's okay, my time's coming, and I am patient enough to wait. In the meantime, the more I learn, the better I'll be for it, and the more I can laugh at Brand X owners who JUST DONT GET IT!

So, keep building them, keep racing them, keep doing whatever it is you feel the desire to do, as long as we get to here about it, that makes me happy!


 Well stated!! n/m -- Ed Jenkins, 08/08/2001
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7554&Reply=7551><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Eric's '66 F-lane Z code</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Eric, <i>08/08/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for the info, Mike.  Now if I may pick your brain a little more,  I've never had a rear apart and she's a leaker so I'm gonna have to put seals int it.  Is there  any foolproof way to count teeth or anything and find my ratio?  also, just to be on the safe side, what should I look out for while I'm in there.  As always, I appreciate the support and all the advice. </blockquote> RE: Eric's '66 F-lane Z code -- Eric, 08/08/2001
Thanks for the info, Mike. Now if I may pick your brain a little more, I've never had a rear apart and she's a leaker so I'm gonna have to put seals int it. Is there any foolproof way to count teeth or anything and find my ratio? also, just to be on the safe side, what should I look out for while I'm in there. As always, I appreciate the support and all the advice.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7557&Reply=7551><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Eric's '66 F-lane Z code</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>08/09/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>To find the gear ratio with the rearend out of the car, mark a tooth with a crayon and start counting.  Divide the number of teeth on the pinion gear into the number of teeth on the ring gear.  That will give you the gear ratio. </blockquote> RE: Eric's '66 F-lane Z code -- Travis Miller, 08/09/2001
To find the gear ratio with the rearend out of the car, mark a tooth with a crayon and start counting. Divide the number of teeth on the pinion gear into the number of teeth on the ring gear. That will give you the gear ratio.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7558&Reply=7551><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Thanks!  N/M</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Eric, <i>08/09/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>N/m </blockquote> Thanks! N/M -- Eric, 08/09/2001
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7560&Reply=7551><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Thanks!  N/M</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>08/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Sorry to have not gotten back quicker.....it's more difficult being home on vacation!  My wife has so many things she wants done... and we do all we can to please 'em.  Travis hit it right on of course with counting the  pinion cogs and dividing them into the ring gear cogs.  Nothin' to it.   We even used to count driveshaft revolutions vs. rear wheel revs on our street cars we couldn't just pull the rear on.....naw, another time.   And hey Paul, you did say it clean.  Nice job.  It'll go your way now and you'll get the Fairlane/Galaxie/'stang you need. </blockquote> RE: Thanks! N/M -- Mike McQuesten, 08/10/2001
Sorry to have not gotten back quicker.....it's more difficult being home on vacation! My wife has so many things she wants done... and we do all we can to please 'em. Travis hit it right on of course with counting the pinion cogs and dividing them into the ring gear cogs. Nothin' to it. We even used to count driveshaft revolutions vs. rear wheel revs on our street cars we couldn't just pull the rear on.....naw, another time. And hey Paul, you did say it clean. Nice job. It'll go your way now and you'll get the Fairlane/Galaxie/'stang you need.
 No wife....... -- Eric, 08/10/2001
Therefore I have my toys. I think I'm coming out ahead. Good luck finding what you're looking for, Paul
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7546&Reply=7546><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>its alive</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mikeb, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>after years of sitting, i shot some starting fluid to my cj, had my wife out there to avoid a possible christine situation,and it cranked but would not hit.  I knew she wouldn't hang around for a point change so i quickly sanded the old ones, put more starting fluid to it and it hit and wanted to go.i quickly had her shut it off, worried as i am about the lightweight valves,which i hear get brittle with age.   I guess the ole Cobra wants to get out! What a happy boy i was to see it wanted to go! </blockquote> its alive -- mikeb, 08/07/2001
after years of sitting, i shot some starting fluid to my cj, had my wife out there to avoid a possible christine situation,and it cranked but would not hit. I knew she wouldn't hang around for a point change so i quickly sanded the old ones, put more starting fluid to it and it hit and wanted to go.i quickly had her shut it off, worried as i am about the lightweight valves,which i hear get brittle with age. I guess the ole Cobra wants to get out! What a happy boy i was to see it wanted to go!
 Congrats Dr. Frankenstein! -- Ed Jenkins, 08/07/2001

Glad to here it! and I though that my old 352 starting up after setting 2 months in the cold winter weather on a -5 degree day was an accomplishement!
 Another snake hissing in the grass. Cool! <n/m> -- Paul M, 08/08/2001
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 RE: its alive -- Mel, 08/11/2001
If you have the light weight valves you really should not run the engine above an idle after sitting for a long time. My '67 Cyclone sat for 15 years without starting and I have no worries as I'm using Donovan stainless steel. I have never heard of a Donovan valve breaking. The sodium Ford valves will fall apart just sitting in the original box. They are filled with salt and will corrode from the inside out. Save your investment and buy a set of Ferrea valves. Not cheap, but worth the expense.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7542&Reply=7542><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>460 Motor Swap, need parts and Info</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>L J Ranch, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Have removed the 400-M, V-8 from my 1972 Ranchero.<br>I'm going to install a 460 V-8.<br><br>I,m trying to locate the required parts, i.e. motor mounts, oil pan, flex plate, Alt. & Pwr. Str. brackets, ect.<br><br>If you've done this swap or have the parts required and information, I'd like to hear from you. ..... LJ  </blockquote> 460 Motor Swap, need parts and Info -- L J Ranch, 08/07/2001
Have removed the 400-M, V-8 from my 1972 Ranchero.
I'm going to install a 460 V-8.

I,m trying to locate the required parts, i.e. motor mounts, oil pan, flex plate, Alt. & Pwr. Str. brackets, ect.

If you've done this swap or have the parts required and information, I'd like to hear from you. ..... LJ
 RE: 460 Motor Swap, need parts and Info -- Paul, 08/08/2001
http://network54.com/Forum/85220

Try this site!!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7536&Reply=7536><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Carb Info ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote> C3AF9510-BK    is this a carb off a 427  medium riser 2X4 intake?  Front or rear?  How many CFM's   Thanks for the help! </blockquote> Carb Info ? -- John, 08/07/2001
C3AF9510-BK is this a carb off a 427 medium riser 2X4 intake? Front or rear? How many CFM's Thanks for the help!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7537&Reply=7536><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Carb Info ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>According to my copy of the Autolite - Ford High Performance Parts List dated March 1, 1968 the C3AF9510-BK was sold as a pair for 8V use with the C3AF9510-BJ. They were rated by Ford at 600CFM apiece. Original applications are '63-64 427 Low Riser and '67 Shelby GT500 but most were probably sold over the counter.  The Holley list number is 2804 and it is the front carburetor.<br><br>                                   Royce Peterson </blockquote> RE: Carb Info ? -- Royce Peterson, 08/07/2001
According to my copy of the Autolite - Ford High Performance Parts List dated March 1, 1968 the C3AF9510-BK was sold as a pair for 8V use with the C3AF9510-BJ. They were rated by Ford at 600CFM apiece. Original applications are '63-64 427 Low Riser and '67 Shelby GT500 but most were probably sold over the counter. The Holley list number is 2804 and it is the front carburetor.

Royce Peterson
 RE: Carb Info ? -- Mel, 08/11/2001
I have the Holley parts specs and break down of your carb. I'll e-mail it to you if you want and you can print it out.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7526&Reply=7526><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b> Problem with oil sending unit connecter on 66 352</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ed Jenkins, <i>08/06/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I'm fed up with having to clean the connecter all the time. <br><br>Is there supposed to be a cover on this? <br>The part that I'm talking about slips on and I think that it is part of the warning light system. This wire goes on top of the sending unit and then connects with the coil wire and then one wire goes back to the dash<br><br><br>I have a <br>1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Convertible with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, orginal 15 inch "safety" steel wheels, 7 Liter wheel covers, 352 Cubic Inch Ford Edsel V8 (with C6AE-R heads), 600 CFM Autolite 4100 4v Carb, Cruise-O-Matic FX 3 speed automatic transmisson, Ford Nine Inch with 3:1 ratio, and dual Trush Turbo flow Glass packs. All mechanical components are rebuilt factory orginal. <br> <br>This thread, so far... <br> </blockquote>  Problem with oil sending unit connecter on 66 352 -- Ed Jenkins, 08/06/2001
I'm fed up with having to clean the connecter all the time.

Is there supposed to be a cover on this?
The part that I'm talking about slips on and I think that it is part of the warning light system. This wire goes on top of the sending unit and then connects with the coil wire and then one wire goes back to the dash


I have a
1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Convertible with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, orginal 15 inch "safety" steel wheels, 7 Liter wheel covers, 352 Cubic Inch Ford Edsel V8 (with C6AE-R heads), 600 CFM Autolite 4100 4v Carb, Cruise-O-Matic FX 3 speed automatic transmisson, Ford Nine Inch with 3:1 ratio, and dual Trush Turbo flow Glass packs. All mechanical components are rebuilt factory orginal.

This thread, so far...
 RE: Well, I'd try! -- RC Moser, 08/08/2001
I think their was a plastic cover, but I can't remember either. How about silver sodiering it and covering it up with RTV. Sounds crude and probably will look Sh@@ but, will probably not loose connection any more. Maybe you could find a single pronge cover at a pull a part junk yard off another make of car the might work. That's about all the suggestions I've can think of..
 RE: Problem with oil sending unit connecter on 66 352 -- Mel Clark, 08/13/2001
If I rember right, the sending unit you're asking about has a wire that just pushes onto a brass stud. The way it works is there is a low voltage signal sent from the gauge/light and the amount of current the unit allows to complete the circut signals the gauge/light to indicate the oil pressure. This is the way most fuel level gauges work also. These units are prone to leak in the area where the plastic and aluminum are sealed, usually due to heavy wrenching. If the problem is just that the push on connector is very easy to remove all you need to do is give it a gentle squeeze with pliers.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7523&Reply=7523><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Flat top 454 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>08/06/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Just wondering about something.  Every 454 (428 crank in a 427 .030 over block) I have ever seen has had domed pistons.  I have always thought that a flat top pistoned 454 would make lots of power.  I thought about this because Ford did not put domes on the 428CJ pistons.  Has anyone ever built one of the 454's with flat top pistons?  If so how did it run? </blockquote> Flat top 454 FE -- Travis Miller, 08/06/2001
Just wondering about something. Every 454 (428 crank in a 427 .030 over block) I have ever seen has had domed pistons. I have always thought that a flat top pistoned 454 would make lots of power. I thought about this because Ford did not put domes on the 428CJ pistons. Has anyone ever built one of the 454's with flat top pistons? If so how did it run?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7583&Reply=7523><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Flat top 454 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mel, <i>08/12/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ford recommended forged flat top pistons for E/SS racing with 69cc cylinder head volume and the SS shim type head gasket. This combo made 11.6 to 1 compression. This info is for the 428 SS class race engine. <br>I run an engine like the one you describe with flat top pistons and it runs great. The cylinder heads you use are the most critical item when going the high compression route. </blockquote> RE: Flat top 454 FE -- Mel, 08/12/2001
Ford recommended forged flat top pistons for E/SS racing with 69cc cylinder head volume and the SS shim type head gasket. This combo made 11.6 to 1 compression. This info is for the 428 SS class race engine.
I run an engine like the one you describe with flat top pistons and it runs great. The cylinder heads you use are the most critical item when going the high compression route.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7591&Reply=7523><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Flat top 454 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>08/12/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>One of the reasons I had thought that a flat top 454 FE would be good is because Ford with their 428 CJ and Chrysler with their 440 could have put domed pistons in them but did not.  Maybe it was so they could warranty their engines.  Ford could done it when they built the lightweight all out race version of the '68 428 CJ.  <br><br>Just thinking that I have seen many 454 FE's with domes and they run okay, but no flattop versions.  Glad to hear that yours does run good.   What heads did you use?    </blockquote> RE: Flat top 454 FE -- Travis Miller, 08/12/2001
One of the reasons I had thought that a flat top 454 FE would be good is because Ford with their 428 CJ and Chrysler with their 440 could have put domed pistons in them but did not. Maybe it was so they could warranty their engines. Ford could done it when they built the lightweight all out race version of the '68 428 CJ.

Just thinking that I have seen many 454 FE's with domes and they run okay, but no flattop versions. Glad to hear that yours does run good. What heads did you use?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7595&Reply=7523><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Flat top 454 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mel Clark, <i>08/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>427 M.R.. <br>Check out "Ultimate FE?" further in this board and you will see my combination.<br>Ford combustion chambers were small enough and clean enough to go with flat tops. Really high compression, 12.5 or better required domes. 11.5 was and is still about the max. for street use. </blockquote> RE: Flat top 454 FE -- Mel Clark, 08/13/2001
427 M.R..
Check out "Ultimate FE?" further in this board and you will see my combination.
Ford combustion chambers were small enough and clean enough to go with flat tops. Really high compression, 12.5 or better required domes. 11.5 was and is still about the max. for street use.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7600&Reply=7523><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Flat top 454 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>08/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Great combo Mel.  I had to go to the archives to find the post about your "Ultimate FE".  Anyone wanting to find it go to search and type Ultimate FE.  I copied it for future use. For all you guys wanting a "torque monster" for your heavy Galaxie, this budget flat top 454 FE looks like the way to go.  <br><br>I would say that a set of 428 CJ heads and a PI intake would work on top of a flat top 454 FE just fine.  While it would not run like Mel's did with the tunnel port heads and 2-4's, it would be a lot cheaper to build.  Talk about a sleeper! </blockquote> RE: Flat top 454 FE -- Travis Miller, 08/13/2001
Great combo Mel. I had to go to the archives to find the post about your "Ultimate FE". Anyone wanting to find it go to search and type Ultimate FE. I copied it for future use. For all you guys wanting a "torque monster" for your heavy Galaxie, this budget flat top 454 FE looks like the way to go.

I would say that a set of 428 CJ heads and a PI intake would work on top of a flat top 454 FE just fine. While it would not run like Mel's did with the tunnel port heads and 2-4's, it would be a lot cheaper to build. Talk about a sleeper!
 RE: Flat top 454 FE -- Mel Clark, 08/13/2001
It is a great combination. When I ran it in My 500KR at 70 mph I could just floor it and the car would down shift to first and try to go sideways, it would then run up to about 8500 RPM and repeat the performance. I never held it to the floor all the way through second, I tried once and the carbs made too much noise and I was gettin scared of a visit to the judge and my car being towed. I just found a pair of NOS NASCAR tunnel port heads and manifold(s) that I'll install when my car gets home from the restoration shop.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7514&Reply=7514><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joshua Carroll, <i>08/06/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone have any experience with Offenhauser's Port-O-Sonic intake for FEs?  I have a 390 with 10 to 1 compression, 428 cj valves, 390HP cam, holly double pumper.  The current Edelbrock intake that is on the motor falls on its face around 4,500 - 5000 rpm!  I am thinking about buying the Port-O-Sonic but thought I would get some advice first.  If anyone has a good used one they want to sell let me know.  Thanks.<br><br>Josh  </blockquote> Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!? -- Joshua Carroll, 08/06/2001
Does anyone have any experience with Offenhauser's Port-O-Sonic intake for FEs? I have a 390 with 10 to 1 compression, 428 cj valves, 390HP cam, holly double pumper. The current Edelbrock intake that is on the motor falls on its face around 4,500 - 5000 rpm! I am thinking about buying the Port-O-Sonic but thought I would get some advice first. If anyone has a good used one they want to sell let me know. Thanks.

Josh
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7528&Reply=7514><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ross, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I run an Offy P-sonic on my 427.  Its a great manifold for mid-high range, however, it wont do much unless you have a good cam and heads ported to take advantage of it.  WIth that being said, there is probably a lot you can do before buying a 300 dollar used intake.  P-sonics arent cheap<br><br>The 390HP cam if you mean 390GT/CJ cam, is not that wild, and .050 numbers are extremely low compared to modern cams of the same adv duration.  This leads to low-ish vacuum and not much power, where newer grinds make much more power and still hold good vacuum and low end.  You can do much better and pull higher in the RPM scale.  Remember though, without porting the heads, even with good valves you'll be done by 5700-6000 IMHO<br><br>Also, if your current manifold is an Edelbrock Performer, cut the middle plenum out under the carb and add a 1 inch open spacer, it'll add quite a bit of midrange, it wont be revolutionary, but you'll definitely feel it.  If its an Edelbrock Streetmaster, open the plenum to the same shap as a standard Holley base gasket and add a 1 inch spacer (per Edelbrock in their original Streetmaster instructions for racing)<br><br>If you are spending money, I'd go with the Edelbrock RPM, you can buy it cheaper new than a used P-sonic and it will pull to 6000+, but do a cam change at the same time and you'll see the most gain.  <br><br>Bottom line, first thing I'd do is a spacer and grind the plenum divider, then I'd go with more cam.  If I had the cash during the cam swap, I'd buy an Edelbrock RPM.<br><br>You didnt mention headers, but for an FE they are almost a requirement to "run upstairs" </blockquote> RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!? -- Ross, 08/07/2001
I run an Offy P-sonic on my 427. Its a great manifold for mid-high range, however, it wont do much unless you have a good cam and heads ported to take advantage of it. WIth that being said, there is probably a lot you can do before buying a 300 dollar used intake. P-sonics arent cheap

The 390HP cam if you mean 390GT/CJ cam, is not that wild, and .050 numbers are extremely low compared to modern cams of the same adv duration. This leads to low-ish vacuum and not much power, where newer grinds make much more power and still hold good vacuum and low end. You can do much better and pull higher in the RPM scale. Remember though, without porting the heads, even with good valves you'll be done by 5700-6000 IMHO

Also, if your current manifold is an Edelbrock Performer, cut the middle plenum out under the carb and add a 1 inch open spacer, it'll add quite a bit of midrange, it wont be revolutionary, but you'll definitely feel it. If its an Edelbrock Streetmaster, open the plenum to the same shap as a standard Holley base gasket and add a 1 inch spacer (per Edelbrock in their original Streetmaster instructions for racing)

If you are spending money, I'd go with the Edelbrock RPM, you can buy it cheaper new than a used P-sonic and it will pull to 6000+, but do a cam change at the same time and you'll see the most gain.

Bottom line, first thing I'd do is a spacer and grind the plenum divider, then I'd go with more cam. If I had the cash during the cam swap, I'd buy an Edelbrock RPM.

You didnt mention headers, but for an FE they are almost a requirement to "run upstairs"
 RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!? -- John, 08/07/2001
I use an Offy 2X4 360 intake with very good success. Carb idle circuit work is required when using 2 carbs, but everything works fine. The only problem I have is a little backfire out the exhaust sometimes when I let off the gas. The ports don't match very well, so maybe some gas is "balling" up and igniting in the mufflers. This intake is not a port-o-sonic I guess, but seems fine, and if I have just a little bit of loss in low end torque, it just makes the car more tractable (i.e. driveable) at low speeds around town.
 RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!? -- Joshua Carroll, 08/13/2001
Ross,
Thanks for the advice. A new Edelbrock RPM is within the budget. What cam do you suggest? Is the cam Edelbrock suggests using with the PRM intake any good? I have headers and 428cj valves on /in the motor now. The current cam is pretty mild. It is for the early 60s 390HP motors and the 427 center oilers. These cams ran pretty high rpms in the early 427s right?!? Thanks for all the help.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7559&Reply=7514><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ray, <i>08/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Its probably the cam as well as the springs, you need some modern #'s for the cam and good springs to make  6000!  Here's two from Elgin.... E-966-P mild ?. E-965-P less mild, mind runs @ 6500. RAY </blockquote> RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!? -- Ray, 08/10/2001
Its probably the cam as well as the springs, you need some modern #'s for the cam and good springs to make 6000! Here's two from Elgin.... E-966-P mild ?. E-965-P less mild, mind runs @ 6500. RAY
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7604&Reply=7514><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joshua Carroll, <i>08/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ray,<br>Thanks for the advice.  Are you using the E-965-P and hitting 6500?  How rough is the idle?  What springs are you using?  Not familiar with the name Elgin..?!?  Thanks.<br>Josh </blockquote> RE: Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic Experience?!? -- Joshua Carroll, 08/13/2001
Ray,
Thanks for the advice. Are you using the E-965-P and hitting 6500? How rough is the idle? What springs are you using? Not familiar with the name Elgin..?!? Thanks.
Josh
 Elgin -- Ross, 08/13/2001
I have had horrible luck with Elgin stuff. Every Elgin hyd lifter I ever put in had at least one noisy one and wore quicker than I'd expect them to. I never ran Elgin solids, but got oil pumps full of dirt and metal, overall I consider them to be low budget quality.

I'd buy a name brand. For a specific cam for a hot street 390, solid lifters, I like Lunati 40508, its 230@.050 and .525 lift It has a pretty steep ramp angle and makes a lot of mid range and upper end. The quality of Lunati is always good. It would be a great match for the Edelbrock RPM with a 750 carb. Stock springs may live at .525, but I'd recommend a good new matching set and "let it rev" It'll be an animal

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7513&Reply=7513><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Piston identification?  Thanks Shoe for replying!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>08/06/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>  These pistons come from a engine I got from the junkyard. It was not in a vehicle. I believe it is a 330 MD. The only castings besides the mirror image 105 is 8F23.  The engine had a 2T crank, C7TE-A rods, and D2TE AA heads. My guess is someone put the heads on after the factory, but I don't know. My main question is what kinda pistons have I got   : C8AE611OAA   also they have 360 casted on the side.Are they a 360 piston? They have eyebrows on top and slipper skirts. Any help on this engine and piston identity would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks </blockquote> Piston identification? Thanks Shoe for replying! -- John, 08/06/2001
These pistons come from a engine I got from the junkyard. It was not in a vehicle. I believe it is a 330 MD. The only castings besides the mirror image 105 is 8F23. The engine had a 2T crank, C7TE-A rods, and D2TE AA heads. My guess is someone put the heads on after the factory, but I don't know. My main question is what kinda pistons have I got : C8AE611OAA also they have 360 casted on the side.Are they a 360 piston? They have eyebrows on top and slipper skirts. Any help on this engine and piston identity would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
 RE: Piston identification? Thanks Shoe for replying! -- Paul M, 08/06/2001
That would make it a 360. The crank #, 2T, and the pistons stamped 360 tells the tale.

I've seen other 360's with the C7TE-A rods, as they are the same length as the 330MD, and were made quite plentiful for the big truck engines.

As the 360 came out in `68, and the rods were readily available, it would have been easy for them to be used.

But then, it is hard to tell. You might just have a frankenstein motor. ;-)

 Glad the email helped. -- Dave Shoe, 08/06/2001
I'm a bit too swamped to dig up any other info right now.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7531&Reply=7513><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Another ? for Paul, Shoe and others!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>  I am trying to build a 390. If this thing is a 360 then it would be a good block to use for this. If it is a 330 MD then I don't think there is enough meat to bore away. Can anyone tell me a definite way of knowing ? Would a 360 have been a mirrior 105 casted engine? </blockquote> Another ? for Paul, Shoe and others! -- John, 08/07/2001
I am trying to build a 390. If this thing is a 360 then it would be a good block to use for this. If it is a 330 MD then I don't think there is enough meat to bore away. Can anyone tell me a definite way of knowing ? Would a 360 have been a mirrior 105 casted engine?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7532&Reply=7513><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Another ? for Paul, Shoe and others!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul M, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Very possible.  And, very likely it isn't a 330, because of the aforementions parts.  There were alot of 105 blocks that were bored out to 428 dimensions, as service blocks, and many 360/390's (same bore) as well.<br><br>Considering you had 360 pistons in it, you've already got the same bore as a 390.<br><br>What you need now is a 390 crank, rods, and pistons.  The flywheel is supposedly 1/2 inch bigger surface for the clutch disc on the 390, (compared to a 360) but this I don't know for sure;  that's if you're running a manual trans.<br><br>Otherwise, you'll need to find a 390 flexplate, as I believe the 330md was a different tooth count. (I wont SWEAR to it, though!)<br><br>Best to have the block sonic mapped if you intend to do anything serious with it, and if it has enough wear (taper) in the cylinders.  It's not necessary, but it's cheap insurance. </blockquote> RE: Another ? for Paul, Shoe and others! -- Paul M, 08/07/2001
Very possible. And, very likely it isn't a 330, because of the aforementions parts. There were alot of 105 blocks that were bored out to 428 dimensions, as service blocks, and many 360/390's (same bore) as well.

Considering you had 360 pistons in it, you've already got the same bore as a 390.

What you need now is a 390 crank, rods, and pistons. The flywheel is supposedly 1/2 inch bigger surface for the clutch disc on the 390, (compared to a 360) but this I don't know for sure; that's if you're running a manual trans.

Otherwise, you'll need to find a 390 flexplate, as I believe the 330md was a different tooth count. (I wont SWEAR to it, though!)

Best to have the block sonic mapped if you intend to do anything serious with it, and if it has enough wear (taper) in the cylinders. It's not necessary, but it's cheap insurance.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=7541&Reply=7513><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Thanks Paul!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>08/07/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>  I believe you are probably correct. I can't find any sign of the block being bored out, so this leads me to believe that it was born a 360. I hope so, this will give me a good foundation  for my project.  Thanks again! </blockquote> Thanks Paul! -- John, 08/07/2001
I believe you are probably correct. I can't find any sign of the block being bored out, so this leads me to believe that it was born a 360. I hope so, this will give me a good foundation for my project. Thanks again!
 Glad to help! <n/m> -- Paul M, 08/07/2001
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 RE: Piston identification? Thanks Shoe for replying! -- Mel Clark, 08/13/2001
That 2T crankshaft causes me to ask if it has a large snout where the vibration dampner goes on or if it is the same size as the passenger car's. I would be interested in acquiring that crank if it's the large snout model.
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