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| value of chriscraft 427 centeroilier's.. -- Mike, 12/21/2002
saw two availble 427's today, still in the boat with fresh water colling sytems, they had the side oiler galley machined and where april 1967 motors, screw type freeze plugs, what i didn't like was the boat had couple inches of water sitting in the haul, thanks for any thouhgts. |
| | RE: value of chriscraft 427 centeroilier's.. -- david thayer, 12/23/2002
if these engines were not in salt water, they could be ok. wide open on the cc throttle was only about 3800 rpm! many of these engines will clean up and stay std. bore. The bolcks are the only thing of value as the heads are low perf heads and cast 390 cranks. Very few cc engines were machined as side oilers thoug they used the so casting. No performance issues unless you think they might let you run one at lemans.
value is $100-$2500 with the low end $ being a salt water block that is only good for the cross bolts & caps, $2500 for a low hour fresh water block that will stay std bore |
| | With paired engines, one counter-rotates. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/24/2002
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| C6 ID help needed.......... -- Ed Jenkins, 12/21/2002
I found a C6 for my Galaxie. It has a tag with the #'s PGB BB1 EA..... on it. Anyone know what it was orginaly from? |
| | can't find a PGB BB1 but... -- hawkrod, 12/21/2002
PGB B and PGB B1 are 67/8 fullsize ford and mercury applications. hawkrod |
| mallory, accel, vs. msd -- Curt, 12/21/2002
I am wondering which distributor and or setup works the best with the fe. I want to go pointless. any comments would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
curt |
| | My favorite method for a street/strip car is... -- Dan Davis, 12/21/2002
...to use a Ford DuraSpark distributor to trigger an MSD 6A (or similar). Cheap and virtually bulletproof! I have put thousands of miles on vehicles so equipped.
Regards, Dan Davis http://www.sea-tools.com/mpc |
| | | I agree, even without the MSD -- Ross, 12/22/2002
I like the Duraspark, I run one on my 390 truck (PI intake, 750 Edelbrock, 280H cam, headers, CJ valves, etc) I dont have an MSD on that one and it'll spin as high as I need it and it burns clean
I run a Mallory Unilite on the Mustang with an MSD< and it works great, but thats just because I got a deal on the setup. The only bad thing about the unilite is you have to be real careful with jump starting and/or welding on the vehicle, you need to unplug it or it will burn th bulb |
| | | | Another choice -- John, 12/22/2002
I use a mallory distributor with points, however the Mallory is a bad choice as the drive gear shear pin breaks esaily with a HV oil pump. I had to modify mine. As far as points go, why not try a Pertronix unit. They make one for almost any existing distributor. I think I will try one. They're cheap and available from Summit. |
| | | | | Pertronix -- Greg, 12/25/2002
I can't say enough about the pertronix units. The one I installed in my '69 machI w/428cj has worked flawlessly for over a year now. |
| | | | | | RE: Pertronix -- Craig, 01/15/2003
Listen to the man. Petronix is the best thing out there. |
| original tach hookup to MSD ignition -- cody edwards, 12/20/2002
i have a 67 shelby mustang with a 427 side-oiler. i have been trying to figure out how to get my factory tach to work with an MSD Electronic Ignition. I have a MSD distributor, MSD blaster ss coil, MSD 6AL box and a MSD tach adapter. I have tried many ways but i cannot get my tach to respond. If any body can give me suggestion on how i could get my tach to work. it will be very much appreciated. Cody |
| 390 turnin into a boat anchor -- matthew s., 12/19/2002
have 390 pretty much stock and was havin some troubles with the autolite on it(C6AF-L 1.12) have an offy 360 intake on it right now , i have a edlebrock 600 i can stick on it but kinda like the autolite. problem is i'd like to run a spacer but can get it just right, either has flat spots or secondaries are weak. rpm's never get above 5000 even if i hammer it? <-carb? any help or tricks to the autolite much appreciated. |
| | Induction ain't the problem. -- Dave Shoe, 12/19/2002
I'm only guessing, but I suspect your valve springs are not up to the task.
I believe it may be time to disassemble the engine to do a complete analysis of what it's condition is.
If you want to rev, it's important to have a good feel of the entire engine's condition.
Can you tell us more about the engine?
Shoe. |
| | | RE: Induction ain't the problem. -- matthew s., 12/20/2002
sure, what i know about it. the numbers leading me to believe "z" code 1968. intake is offenhauser 360, heads are h code, aftermarket coil, everything else is bone stock. engine was refreshed about 50,000 ago. engine runs pretty good just not as good as it should. it's a daily driver i maintain it constantly. problem is the rpm's it will hual ass up to 4500 or so and drop off, i had a leak around my carb the other day i fixed but didn't see an improvement. thought i space it regap my points and plugs and adjust timing to see if it helped, open to suggestions. i'm out the door right now to check my springs. |
| | RE: 390 turnin into a boat anchor -- Bob Sprowl, 12/20/2002
Be sure the secondarries are opening all the way. Just put some modeling clay or something similar on the linkage and then take a drive where you can get the secondaries to open up. The clay will smear, etc, and you can see if they are opening all the way.
Many times they are not. |
| | | RE: 390 turnin into a boat anchor -- salid, 12/22/2002
what adout the exhaust and what valves? If you are running the stock log type manifolds, you might expect to go a little flat at 5 grand. Here is a cool site that explains why you may want headers if you're trying to turn higher rpm, http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/b/s/bsprowl/Exhaust/Exhaust.htm |
| | Get rid of that intake -- Caleb, 12/22/2002
Try a performer RPM when I had a 360 degree equaflow on mine it just generally wasn't that great, had good low RPM power, but the RPM had better upper, the 360* has really small ports that have sharp angles and weird lumps in the ports, I'd suggest the new intake or a good tuneup and agree with Shoe on replacing the valve springs |
| C6 id -- Gary, 12/18/2002
I have a C6 tranny that supposedly came out of a 68 Shelby GT 500KR. I know the person that owned this car and he swears it is the transmission that was pulled from the Shelby because of a bad planetary gear. Here is the info I have gotten off the case: 1) Tail shaft housing is aluminum. 2) Serial number on top of case is 8T016748 . 3)Servo cover has a "H" on it. 4) The tag bolted to the servo cover reads PGB W 010260. My friend sold this car years ago and doesn't have any records where I could find a Vin # for the car. Can anyone help with the ID? Thanks--Gary |
| | well the books says NOT... BUT... it says..... -- hawkrod, 12/18/2002
you have a much rarer 427 cougar trans for a 68 GTE! maybe it was put in the shelby due to a lack of correct parts. the shelby should have had a PGB-AF with the cast iron tailshaft housing. the ID number you gave us is a metuchen built ford number so my bet is it was from a shelby but was the wrong one (maybe it was one of the first CJ cars?) or he had a GT500 not a KR (i'm guessing and i can't be sure, my book doesn't have a trans application for GT500's!). hawkrod |
| | | Hawk makes a good point.... -- Royce Peterson, 12/19/2002
It could very well be a transmission for a GT500 as these cars used the GTE transmission. Or one could say visa versa, the GT500 Shelbys are much more common than a 427 GTE Cougar.
I bet the VIN is for a GT500. Check with Kevin Marti at: kmartkmart@aol.com
Royce |
| | PGB-W might be 1968 Cougar 427 -- Dave Shoe, 12/18/2002
My Motor's manual lists it as a 1968 Cougar 427 with column shift. Other 1968 Cougar C6s were for floor shift 390s.
The only Mustang listed for 1968 is the PCA-P2 with a 390-4V.
I'm sure my list is incomplete.
I know the 1969 CJ and PI tails were iron, but I don't know about the earlier versions.
Shoe. |
| | | I just looked at the Lincoln Mercury MPC... -- Dan Davis, 12/19/2002
...and found that indeed the PGB-W is from a 1968 Cougar w/427 engine. It should have the cast iron tailshaft. It has the "F" band apply lever, but not the "R" servo cover. Not sure which letter it has, but the service part number is C6AZ-7D027-A. Nice find.
Regards, Dan Davis http://www.sea-tools.com/mpc |
| | | | RE: I just looked at the Lincoln Mercury MPC... -- Royce Peterson, 12/19/2002
Dan,
The Cougar GTE 427 transmissions have the extra plates and steels, different valving and torque converter but the tailshafts are aluminum. You are correct regarding the servo cover .
Royce |
| | | | | | Is that the 1975 revision? -- Royce Peterson, 12/19/2002
There is no reason to believe by looking at the original cars that any ever came with an iron tailshaft. I recently was privelaged to help get a low mileage two owner GTE out of Rip Van Winkle storage and like all the other 427 GTE's it has an aluminum tail shaft housing.
I am wondering though if anyone has the earlier L-M master part catalogue. There are some parts in the 1975 revision that have superceded earlier ones, this might be one of those.
Would love to hear Kevin Marti's report on the VIN, the more I think about it the more likely it seems this was a GT500 (not KR).
Royce |
| | | | | | | Yes, 1975 revision. The reasons you state... -- Dan Davis, 12/19/2002
...are why I believe you more than printed matter in this case. It does seem odd that this trans does NOT have a Fe tailshaft housing. Having worked for Ford and privledged enough to see tests of drivelines at speed, it is little wonder that the HiPo trans have a stronger tailshaft housing. The amount of movement (harmonics) of the driveshaft at higher rpms is amazing!
Regards, Dan Davis http://www.sea-tools.com/mpc |
| | | | | | | | But GT/Es have hydraulic lifters = low revs. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/20/2002
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| | | | | | | the aug 67 parts book..... -- hawkrod, 12/20/2002
makes no mention of the cast iron tailshaft housing so it was an item added during the year after production began. my bet is that it was introduced along with the CJ engine. hawkrod |
| | | RE: PGB-W might be 1968 Cougar 427 -- Gary, 12/19/2002
This is very interesting. The remember the car well and it was a 500KR with a Cobra Jet engine. At least that is what the air cleaner and stripes read. Won"t really know unless I can trace down that Vin. Maybe the trans was replaced before my friend bought the car as he was the 2nd owner. Seems like the trannys for the 427 GTE would also carry a cast iron tail housing. If indeed it was the original trans out of the Shelby, the owner of the car now would probably like to know this info. Again, thanks guys for the info.--Gary |
| | | | Check that stamped number (8Txxxxxx) and... -- Dan Davis, 12/19/2002
...see if you mistyped it. This is a shortened version of the vehicle's VIN. Ford did not start with zero, so something is amiss.
Regards, Dan http://www.sea-tools.com/mpc |
| | | | | RE: Check that stamped number (8Txxxxxx) and... -- Gary, 12/19/2002
No mistake about the number. It is stamped very clear- 8T016748. Can't find any other I.D. markings or numbers on outside of case. Took the tail housing off and found no I.D. outside or inside. |
| | | | | | Odd. Must be a Shelby thing then [n/m] -- Dan Davis, 12/19/2002
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| | The answer is right in front of you.... -- Royce Peterson, 12/19/2002
Kevin Marti can tell you if it came from a Shelby since you have the VIN stamping. Give him what you have and he will give you a report on the whole car.
The trans was originally intended for a Cougar 427 GTE. These transmissions did not come with the cast iron tail shaft originally. I own two Cougar GTE's right now.
Shoe's Motor manual is confused regarding column shift, as far as I know there were no column shift Cougars until the 1974 model year.
This looks to me like a factory error but it would not detract from the value of the transmission. Many GTE owners would pay good money for it. The owner of that Shelby would like to have it also I suspect. |
| | | RE: '68 PI C6 aluminum tail shaft -- Courtney Bolze, 12/19/2002
I pulled a C6 from a '68 SC highway patrol car and the tail shaft is aluminum with the H servo. I changed the seals, shift linkage, fluid and reprogrammed the valve body before I installed it in my MACH 1. Courtney Bolze. |
| | | | Cool. Was the P/C equipped with a 428? [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/20/2002
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| | | | | RE: Cool. Was the P/C equipped with a 428? [n/m] -- Courtney Bolze, 12/20/2002
The P/C was original from the wing nut down to the drain plug. It was in a junk yard in the middle of no where, 'bout 40 miles south of the largest nuclear burial site in the east. We asked if he had any old 390's, said no but I got a 428 in a big ford. We jumped it off and I drove it from the back 40 to the front as I wanted to make sure the C6 was good and my buddie wanted the engine worst' than me. We about stole it from him for what we paid. It was a 428CJ short block, had the big thick J or C cast behind #4, heads are down stairs and have the big chambers with 1 piece retainers, C7AE intake and the autolite carb is with the heads. The drive shaft was bigger than a truck's, 9 3/8 2.80 gear and the 31spline axels are with the heads too. It had the 140 MPH cal cert speedo and P engine code in the vin. Courtney. |
| | | | | | Do you want to sell the Autolite carb? -- Ed Jenkins, 12/22/2002
I collect old Autolite carbs. Do you want to sell this item? |
| | RE: C6 id -- Don Bell, 09/23/2005
What ever happened on this tranny? I've been looking for one! Thanks. |
| C6 shifting problem -- Rollie H., 12/18/2002
I have a 428 with a C6 in a 1976 F100. I am having some strange downshift problems. If I am accellerating to get onto the highway and need to speed up a bit more to merge with traffic this C6 will drop into 1st gear. This happens at or around 45 miles per hour. This downshifting into 1st gear at this speed is smooth, but it is obviously at the wrong time. I admit I hand fabricated this downshift rod. Is there a way to check this linkage and set to proper specs? Any help is appreciated |
| | RE: C6 shifting problem -- Joel, 12/18/2002
The downshift rod should only come into play at WOT. Part throttle down-shifts should be handled by the vacuum modulator. Pull the vacuum hose off the modulator and make sure there is no tranny fluid leaking out. To adjust the downshift rod, press the accelerator to the floor and hold it there (use a pole or friend). The downshift lever on the tranny should have a little bit of play before it reaches it's stopping point. Also, once adjusted, have a friend actuate the pedal to ensure proper movement of the downshift lever. At part throttle, the downshift lever should not have moved much. If adjusted inproperly, it will cause poor performance and could damage the trans. |
| | | RE: C6 shifting problem -- Rollie H., 12/18/2002
Thanks! I'll be checking it out today and see what kind of adjustments it needs. I may wind up shortening this rod. |
| | RE: C6 shifting problem -- greg(australia), 12/19/2002
Do you have a spring on the carb end to hold the kickdown rod in the off position until activated by the linkage.If not,the kickdown could be activating at part throttle . |
| | | RE: C6 shifting problem -- Rollie H., 12/19/2002
Yes, all of the linkage on the carb is there with the spring too. I have been looking at this rod I made and it is too long. I made it from scratch and didn't have one to copy. It appears to engage too early. I am going to shorten it today and test drive to see what effect That has on it. |
| Intake gaskets revisited. -- James Dodson, 12/18/2002
First I will tell you what it is doing. The 428CJ is very thirsty on oil. It pasted a leak down test with 10% leakage on each cylinder witch is good concidering that getting any street car under 15% is considered above average. The only explination that I can come up with that fits the criteria of this problem is that the bloody Felpro Printo seal gaskets on the intake are letting it drink right from the lifter valley. The car runs soooo good...I mean really stought but it smokes and uses oil.
Does this fit a scenerio that any of you have experienced with the Printo seal gaskets?
The hardware is a 428 with Edelbrock heads and a PI intake. Thank you gentlemen for all your help in the past. It is a priveledge just to interact with you on our favorite subject. |
| 360 stroking and transplant -- Matt B., 12/17/2002
I have a 1962 F-100 unibody and a 1973 F-100 with a 360. I want to take the 360 and put in a 390 crank, rods, and pistons; then put it in the '62. I would appreciate any other tips on building the engine as far as heads, cam, intake, ignition, and most importantly oiling suggestions. Also any info on mounting the engine in the '62 would be appreciated. Right now i plan to cut the crossmember out of the'73 and use that to mount the engine. Is this safe? Thanks |
| | What kind of performance do you seek? -- Dave Shoe, 12/19/2002
It's tough to offer opinions on an engine build unless we have an idea what you pllan to do with the truck.
What kind of gasoline do you plan to run? Will it be a daily driver? How quiet do you want it to be? How fast? What kinda mileage, what kinda tires?
These wil get us into the ballpark.
As for the transplant, I'm no wiz on truck transplants, go the www.Ford-Trucks.com forum, or perhaps the main forum at this website (click "general subjects" text on left of screen), may be able to offer technical specifics on the refit.
Shoe. |
| | | RE: What kind of performance do you seek? -- Matt B., 12/20/2002
I want to build the engine for good low end torque and mid range power. I would like to be able to run regular unleaded, but as this won't be my daily driver this is not a must. it doesn't matter how loud it is, i live in a small farm town where every truck is loud. I would probably run a tire size of 28-30". It would be great to be capable of 140mph eventhough i would never take it that fast. I would like the combination to be capable of at least 120mph, though. |
| | | | RE: What kind of performance do you seek? -- Matt B., 12/20/2002
I thought it might also be helpful to know that i intend to use the c6 from the donor truck after having it rebuilt and a shift kit installed. |
| different castings of R heads -- Curt, 12/16/2002
I just purchased another set of C6AER HEADS. These heads are different than the others. one of the heads has c6ae 3080 R on it with adate of 5L12. the mate to it has just the c6aer on it with the same date. neither of them have the 14 holes the are just the standard 8 holes drilled for the exhaust. They also do not have the brass plugs, what ever they are call on the top of the exit port. the other heads are both c6aer and have dates of 5L2 and 5L3. They both have 14 exhaust manifolds holes and the brass plugs. they also have different numbers on the cast. like casting numbers. Ok, now with my question. What are the holes with the brass plugs in them for. Are there any other differences in them. other than the exhaust holes. Just was kinda shocked to see that they were so different. but still an R head. thanks
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