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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15185&Reply=15185><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>pi, a, c scratch blocks differences?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>curt, <i>11/08/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>i have searched the messages and have found alot about the different blocks.  From what i have read the cj (c scratch) block is made of a higher grade of iron, how much of a difference does that make as compared to the other A block 428.  I know the c block has more webbing.  Is that a weak point in the A block?  The c block that i had was cracked on (2) of the mains where the bolts enter the block at the mains.  now i am getting an A block is there anything major that i should be aware off for this block.  Any help would be great, i love all the knowledge in this place it amazes me.<br>curt </blockquote> pi, a, c scratch blocks differences? -- curt, 11/08/2002
i have searched the messages and have found alot about the different blocks. From what i have read the cj (c scratch) block is made of a higher grade of iron, how much of a difference does that make as compared to the other A block 428. I know the c block has more webbing. Is that a weak point in the A block? The c block that i had was cracked on (2) of the mains where the bolts enter the block at the mains. now i am getting an A block is there anything major that i should be aware off for this block. Any help would be great, i love all the knowledge in this place it amazes me.
curt
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15198&Reply=15185><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: pi, a, c scratch blocks differences?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>rick, <i>11/09/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>hi curt,<br>good questions - i also have the 'A' block - std. from a t-bird - from those i questioned there isn't a whole lot of difference to be concerned with - some claim that if your going into the 6500 rpm range it may - i don't plan on doing that - and if i were to i wouldn't go there without trying to convert to four bolt mains - now it gets way to expensive - i plan an occasional trip down the 1/4 - the rest will be street beatin' - i hope others respond to this thread - the more info. the better... good luck.   rick </blockquote> RE: pi, a, c scratch blocks differences? -- rick, 11/09/2002
hi curt,
good questions - i also have the 'A' block - std. from a t-bird - from those i questioned there isn't a whole lot of difference to be concerned with - some claim that if your going into the 6500 rpm range it may - i don't plan on doing that - and if i were to i wouldn't go there without trying to convert to four bolt mains - now it gets way to expensive - i plan an occasional trip down the 1/4 - the rest will be street beatin' - i hope others respond to this thread - the more info. the better... good luck. rick
 RE: pi, a, c scratch blocks differences? -- curt, 11/09/2002
that is basically my need too, i would like for my fairlane to be 95% hot street 5% 1/4 mile if i want, not a barn burner but something that will turn heads. just want to know that i am putting together the right components.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15183&Reply=15183><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Any 500hp {dynoed} combos out there 428SCJ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike U., <i>11/08/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Today I finished tearing down my 428. I think the bores, crank, ect. are still standard,  so everything looks good for a rebuild. I am wondering if anyone has a combination making over 500hp and what parts that combination has. I have a 393w stroker that is making 537hp so with 35 extra cubes it shouldnt be that hard........ </blockquote> Any 500hp {dynoed} combos out there 428SCJ? -- Mike U., 11/08/2002
Today I finished tearing down my 428. I think the bores, crank, ect. are still standard, so everything looks good for a rebuild. I am wondering if anyone has a combination making over 500hp and what parts that combination has. I have a 393w stroker that is making 537hp so with 35 extra cubes it shouldnt be that hard........
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15226&Reply=15183><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Any 500hp {dynoed} combos out there 428SCJ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joel, <i>11/11/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>It depends on what sort of usage you want to build for.  Street, strip, or some combination of the two.  A set of headers, and a full roller setup with a medium performance cam should bump you to 450HP very streetable HP.  A single plain intake with an 850cfm carb running at 6500rpm (I noticed the SCJ) should achieve 500 not quite as streetable HP.  It would probably require a little more cam to get it done.  It's going to cost you torque down low.  I'm no expert, I'm just regurgitating some knowledge I've learned from this website.  Hopefully one of the others will confirm or deny my analysis. </blockquote> RE: Any 500hp {dynoed} combos out there 428SCJ? -- Joel, 11/11/2002
It depends on what sort of usage you want to build for. Street, strip, or some combination of the two. A set of headers, and a full roller setup with a medium performance cam should bump you to 450HP very streetable HP. A single plain intake with an 850cfm carb running at 6500rpm (I noticed the SCJ) should achieve 500 not quite as streetable HP. It would probably require a little more cam to get it done. It's going to cost you torque down low. I'm no expert, I'm just regurgitating some knowledge I've learned from this website. Hopefully one of the others will confirm or deny my analysis.
 RE: Any 500hp {dynoed} combos out there 428SCJ? -- mike u., 11/11/2002
I am planning to use the eldebrock heads with the victor intake and an 850cfm demon carb with 1 3/4 primary headders. I guess what I really need is someone running a combo like this to lend some cam part numbers or spec. to pull around 500 or more hp. I will be using this motor in a street vehical, but I dont think with the near 4 inch stroke I will be loosing too much torque with a roller mechanical cam.
Why 500 plus horsepower? Well, there are some really hot street machines crusing the roads today and I like having something that will hold its own.
I built a 393W this summer for a 65 mustang fastback. I built the motor exactly like the one in a mustang magizine. The motor in the magizine put out 537hp @6000rpms and around 507ftlbs of torque at 5k rpms. This {at least to me} is easier than mixing and matching parts. If you dont have access to dyno your power figures is just a guess {and if your like me, your guesses might be a tad optimistic}. Thanks again.....
 C3AE-E FE Block ID -- Paul Prokop, 11/08/2002
Can anyone ID the following block, please:

C3AE 6015 E
2L15
VS
 C6AE 6380B 427 Flywheel? -- Josh, 11/08/2002
I have a FE flywheel with 12 7/8 pressure plate bolt pattern, 11.5 disc, and 184 teeth. It has the fomoco logo on it and "C6AE 6380B" cast into it. Is this a 427 flywheel?

I also have a set of FE cast header. The passenger side has "C0AF-9430-B" cast into it and "C2AE8431-G" cast into it. Any idea what these headers came off? They are shorties.

Thanks as always,
Josh
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15176&Reply=15176><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>shelby</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Charlie, <i>11/08/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote> Hi all,<br>  This is special for my husband, one of his things in life is to meet Carol Shelby or get a piece of his 67 fastback signed  I have looked everywhere and so far have had no luck. I would really like to make this happen. If anyone has any suggestions I would really appreacite it it would be a once in a lifetime present. If you can help please send info to Piratehobbes@attbi.com Thanks Again Lisa   </blockquote> shelby -- Charlie, 11/08/2002
Hi all,
This is special for my husband, one of his things in life is to meet Carol Shelby or get a piece of his 67 fastback signed I have looked everywhere and so far have had no luck. I would really like to make this happen. If anyone has any suggestions I would really appreacite it it would be a once in a lifetime present. If you can help please send info to Piratehobbes@attbi.com Thanks Again Lisa
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15177&Reply=15176><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I have had friends tell me that...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dan Davis, <i>11/08/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>...one can send in items to be signed by Mr. Shelby for a fee.  I am not sure of the details.  Maybe try asking here: <a href="http://www.shelbyamerican.com/contact.asp">http://www.shelbyamerican.com/contact.asp</a><br><br>Cheers,<br>Dan </blockquote> I have had friends tell me that... -- Dan Davis, 11/08/2002
...one can send in items to be signed by Mr. Shelby for a fee. I am not sure of the details. Maybe try asking here: http://www.shelbyamerican.com/contact.asp

Cheers,
Dan
 RE: I have had friends tell me that... -- Rick Thompson, 11/08/2002
I believe the fee is $25 and it is tax deductible because it goes to the Carroll Shelby Children's Heart Fund, a very worthy cause and you get his signature. On a 67, I recommend the panel above the glove box.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15179&Reply=15176><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: shelby</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mustangoldtimer, <i>11/08/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>you should be able to send things to the foundation..I had a couple of dashs signed at a SAAC convention a couple of years ago $100 each..Have pictures of grand daughters shaking his hands that was pulished in Mustang Illustrated a once in lifetime thing...Go for it  hubby will love it....before it gets too late.. </blockquote> RE: shelby -- mustangoldtimer, 11/08/2002
you should be able to send things to the foundation..I had a couple of dashs signed at a SAAC convention a couple of years ago $100 each..Have pictures of grand daughters shaking his hands that was pulished in Mustang Illustrated a once in lifetime thing...Go for it hubby will love it....before it gets too late..
 RE: shelby -- TOM, 11/08/2002
what about David Pearson and Cale i want them to sign my Cyclone anything i can do about that?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15171&Reply=15171><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b> FE? Found In a barn</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>TWB, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>These are the numbers found on a FE? Block in a barn. Exhaust Manifold had  8AE9431-B<br>Other numbers in and around block were Q7MA, and 7M26.<br>I hope these numbers helps someone inform me with what it is. Thanks </blockquote>  FE? Found In a barn -- TWB, 11/06/2002
These are the numbers found on a FE? Block in a barn. Exhaust Manifold had 8AE9431-B
Other numbers in and around block were Q7MA, and 7M26.
I hope these numbers helps someone inform me with what it is. Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15174&Reply=15171><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>It's a 1968 FE or FT block.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>The C7ME is common to all FE and FT block castings, whether 330FT, 352, 360, 361FT, 390, 391FT, 410, 427, or 428.<br><br>The one you found is from the 1968 model year, so it won't be a 352 or 410, but it could be any of the other displacements.<br><br>You'll want to look on the flywheel face of the block for any large "scratched on" text characters which protrude from the block about an eighth of an inch nad are generally 2" tall or more.  An "A", "C", or "X", indicates a 428 block.<br><br>If the rear face has "66-427" marked on it, it might be a 427, but more likely it will be a regular FE displacement which used the 427 rear panel only,as there are lots of these castings out there.  If it is a real 427, it'll also have tall scratch marks such as "I", "II", or "H" on the rear face.  Don't get your hopes up, however.<br><br>Check the bore diameter.  That'll get you close to the intended application.  If you have a drill bit, use a 15/64" bit to "feeler gauge" between all the cylinder jackets (gotta remove all six core plugs).  If it fits between the cylinder at any single reachable location, it's likely a 360/390 block, if you cannot find even a single location that the drill bit fits, it may be a 361/391/428 block.<br><br>This info is just for starters.  Further isolation of the block can be done by inspecting the cranksaddle webbing and looking for text on the floor of the water jacket inside the center core plugs or opposite the long coolant slot in the deck.<br><br>Good luck.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> It's a 1968 FE or FT block. -- Dave Shoe, 11/06/2002
The C7ME is common to all FE and FT block castings, whether 330FT, 352, 360, 361FT, 390, 391FT, 410, 427, or 428.

The one you found is from the 1968 model year, so it won't be a 352 or 410, but it could be any of the other displacements.

You'll want to look on the flywheel face of the block for any large "scratched on" text characters which protrude from the block about an eighth of an inch nad are generally 2" tall or more. An "A", "C", or "X", indicates a 428 block.

If the rear face has "66-427" marked on it, it might be a 427, but more likely it will be a regular FE displacement which used the 427 rear panel only,as there are lots of these castings out there. If it is a real 427, it'll also have tall scratch marks such as "I", "II", or "H" on the rear face. Don't get your hopes up, however.

Check the bore diameter. That'll get you close to the intended application. If you have a drill bit, use a 15/64" bit to "feeler gauge" between all the cylinder jackets (gotta remove all six core plugs). If it fits between the cylinder at any single reachable location, it's likely a 360/390 block, if you cannot find even a single location that the drill bit fits, it may be a 361/391/428 block.

This info is just for starters. Further isolation of the block can be done by inspecting the cranksaddle webbing and looking for text on the floor of the water jacket inside the center core plugs or opposite the long coolant slot in the deck.

Good luck.

Shoe.
 Thanks -- TWB, 11/08/2002
I hope to get into it a bit more and see just what it is.
And see also if it is able to be rebuilt, which brings me to this. Are there economical rebuilds available for all that you listed, and since it is a '68, and can't be a 352 or 410. But since it is a FE ( the FT's you listed I suppose are Truck engines?) could it be turned into a 390 etc? For I suppose since it is in a barn, it could very well be a FT engine. But sure could entertain the idea of rebuilding it to 390 specs and placing it in a 67 Cougar I have with no driveline right now. Thanks again for the input and any more input you may have.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15155&Reply=15155><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>real basic question on "open" rear axles</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>holliday, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>If you jack up the rear of a car (both back tires off the ground) that has an "open" rear end, start the car and put it in gear, should both tires turn or only one? My car has an open rear end and only one tire (drivers side) turns in this situation. Is this normal?  Thanks for any help. </blockquote> real basic question on "open" rear axles -- holliday, 11/06/2002
If you jack up the rear of a car (both back tires off the ground) that has an "open" rear end, start the car and put it in gear, should both tires turn or only one? My car has an open rear end and only one tire (drivers side) turns in this situation. Is this normal? Thanks for any help.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15157&Reply=15155><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Rollie H., <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>  If the brake shoe is dragging a little on one side then the results are what you described with an open rear end. One may turn faster than the other at first until they even out even with no brake drag.  <br>  With the car in park and the rear wheels off of the ground (engine off) spin one tire by hand. If you have an open rear then the opposite tire will turn the opposite direction. With a posi/limited slip rear end neither side will turn performing this same test unless you put the tranny in nuetral and then they will turn the same direction when you turn one by hand.  These test are based on good brakes (no dragging brake shoes)  </blockquote> RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles -- Rollie H., 11/06/2002
If the brake shoe is dragging a little on one side then the results are what you described with an open rear end. One may turn faster than the other at first until they even out even with no brake drag.
With the car in park and the rear wheels off of the ground (engine off) spin one tire by hand. If you have an open rear then the opposite tire will turn the opposite direction. With a posi/limited slip rear end neither side will turn performing this same test unless you put the tranny in nuetral and then they will turn the same direction when you turn one by hand. These test are based on good brakes (no dragging brake shoes)
 RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles -- mustangoldtimer, 11/06/2002
open rear end...turn one wheel the other will turn the the opposite direction. engine off driveshaft not turning
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15165&Reply=15155><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>holliday, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for the info. I will double check, but I am pretty sure that the brake is not dragging. I will look for the tire/wheel/brake/axle hanging up somewhere. Something isn't right. I hope it's the brake as that would be the easiest! </blockquote> RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles -- holliday, 11/06/2002
Thanks for the info. I will double check, but I am pretty sure that the brake is not dragging. I will look for the tire/wheel/brake/axle hanging up somewhere. Something isn't right. I hope it's the brake as that would be the easiest!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15166&Reply=15155><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Darel, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>If I were you I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Maybe one wheel bearing has more grease in it or something trivial like that.  With an open diff it takes very, very little difference in friction to cause one wheel to spin.  In fact, you can probably rest a (thickly gloved) hand on one wheel to get it to stop and the other spin.<br>Not a big deal, it doesn't really mean anything is wrong.<br>Darel </blockquote> RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles -- Darel, 11/06/2002
If I were you I wouldn't worry about it too much. Maybe one wheel bearing has more grease in it or something trivial like that. With an open diff it takes very, very little difference in friction to cause one wheel to spin. In fact, you can probably rest a (thickly gloved) hand on one wheel to get it to stop and the other spin.
Not a big deal, it doesn't really mean anything is wrong.
Darel
 RE: real basic question on "open" rear axles -- holliday, 11/07/2002
That is exactly what it is like, the tire will just barely move and seems like it it just slightly hung up. I will take a quick look at it but not spend too much time, thanks for the help!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15152&Reply=15152><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>C6 dip stick TUBE/390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Leroy, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote> The end that goes into the tranny is a friction fit  with the help of a O-ring, Got that, Now, <br>The bracketed end, does that attach to the back of the motor, or the exhaust manifold? I was lead to believe It went to the manifold. </blockquote> C6 dip stick TUBE/390 -- Leroy, 11/06/2002
The end that goes into the tranny is a friction fit with the help of a O-ring, Got that, Now,
The bracketed end, does that attach to the back of the motor, or the exhaust manifold? I was lead to believe It went to the manifold.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15153&Reply=15152><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C6 dip stick TUBE/390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>afret, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>On a Fairlane/Mustang the bracket bolts on to the back of the passenger side head. </blockquote> RE: C6 dip stick TUBE/390 -- afret, 11/06/2002
On a Fairlane/Mustang the bracket bolts on to the back of the passenger side head.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15154&Reply=15152><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Leroy, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>O.K. then, Can I use a dip stick TUBE from a C4? </blockquote> RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390 -- Leroy, 11/06/2002
O.K. then, Can I use a dip stick TUBE from a C4?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15156&Reply=15152><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mustangoldtimer, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>i would think any matching stick and tube for a c6 would work . c4 tube and stick may not read correctly. i can measure the lenghts for you of a correct one,if you would like. my 2 cents for today ray </blockquote> RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390 -- mustangoldtimer, 11/06/2002
i would think any matching stick and tube for a c6 would work . c4 tube and stick may not read correctly. i can measure the lenghts for you of a correct one,if you would like. my 2 cents for today ray
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15158&Reply=15152><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Leroy, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ive got the stick from the (old)390 t-bird  C6,  and I've got GT heads and manifolds on the motor and not  quite sure what the * I need now.<br>Ray, you got a spare (set-up) laying around? </blockquote> RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390 -- Leroy, 11/06/2002
Ive got the stick from the (old)390 t-bird C6, and I've got GT heads and manifolds on the motor and not quite sure what the * I need now.
Ray, you got a spare (set-up) laying around?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15160&Reply=15152><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mustangoldtimer, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>no spares, have a tbird and a mustang tube off cars will measure the difference </blockquote> RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390 -- mustangoldtimer, 11/06/2002
no spares, have a tbird and a mustang tube off cars will measure the difference
 RE: C4/C6 dip stick TUBE/390 -- Leroy, 11/06/2002
I'm at the edge of my seat......
 They differ in length, contours & attaching strap. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/06/2002
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15144&Reply=15144><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>ID on dizzy?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul M., <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Stamped # on the face is C4AF-N with a cast 12127 in between.<br><br>On the opposite side it has an earlier casting #, B9AF-12131-A.<br><br>I have tried searching various forums and came up with nothing, so far.<br><br>Any ideas?<br> </blockquote> ID on dizzy? -- Paul M., 11/06/2002
Stamped # on the face is C4AF-N with a cast 12127 in between.

On the opposite side it has an earlier casting #, B9AF-12131-A.

I have tried searching various forums and came up with nothing, so far.

Any ideas?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15146&Reply=15144><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>'C4AF-N' = '64 390 4v; Galaxie, Mercury & T-Bird. [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/06/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> 'C4AF-N' = '64 390 4v; Galaxie, Mercury & T-Bird. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/06/2002
n/m
 RE: 'C4AF-N' = ....Thanks for the info, Mr F. n/m -- Paul M., 11/06/2002
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15141&Reply=15141><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>balancer</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Eddie, <i>11/05/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>How far is the harmonic-balancer supposed to go on yhe crank of a 428scj? I have the counter weight on is the balancer supposed to fit flush with the end of the crank? I seam only to be able to get within a quarter of an inch from being flush. Thanks for any help. </blockquote> balancer -- Eddie, 11/05/2002
How far is the harmonic-balancer supposed to go on yhe crank of a 428scj? I have the counter weight on is the balancer supposed to fit flush with the end of the crank? I seam only to be able to get within a quarter of an inch from being flush. Thanks for any help.
 RE: balancer -- Travis Miller, 11/06/2002
If the crank came out to the edge of the balancer, the washer on the bolt would bottom against the crank snout leaving the balancer loose. I am not sure how deep the crank sets back in because I have always just torqued the bolt to the proper specs pulling it in till it bottoms.
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