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 |  Rocker Shaft Studs? -- Mike McQuesten, 09/11/2001
Does anyone know of a company that produces/sells FE rocker shaft studs? Please don't tell me to check with ARP. I have. They don't.
Thanks. |
|  | RE: Rocker Shaft Studs? -- John, 09/11/2001
Ford Power Parts advertise them under P/N 3420 for about $40 per set, and P/N 3421 and 3422 for 427 High and Med Riser engines. Good Luck with FPP when it comes to: 1/ trying to get through to them 2/ having the item in stock 3/ ever getting the item 4/ and ever getting help should you need it after the purchase.
You might try Harland Sharp. He makes rockeer shafts and rockers for the FE,...he might be able to supply studs. Check the Summitt catalog or web-site for help. |
 | Carb -- Gary L, 09/11/2001
I have just located a 1968 Cougar XR7G (Hertz), it is in my girlfriends mothers garage (she is 88) since 1989. I am in the process of getting it running and at the same time trying to return it as much as possible to stock (kinda). It has a Holley double pumper on it now, looks like an 850. Does anybody have an idea of what the original Carb on this beast was, I am not happy about using one this big much less mechanical instead of vacuum. The motor is the 390 as all G models were. |
| | RE: Carb -- Mr F, 09/11/2001
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I have just located a 1968 Cougar XR7G
(Hertz), it is in my girlfriends mothers garage (she is 88) since 1989.
Hey - neat find! What's the story behind it?
How'd it get there?
I am in the process of getting it running
and at the same time trying to return it as much as possible to stock
(kinda). It has a Holley double pumper on it now, looks like an 850. Does
anybody have an idea of what the original Carb on this beast was, I am not
happy about using one this big much less mechanical instead of vacuum.
The
original carb was a 600cfm Holley with vacuum secondaries. I've attached a typical image of
one, below.
The motor is the 390 as all G models
were.
Yep - the good old '390GT'. For more info check
out this
detailed spec sheet, one of the many you'll find in our Obsolete Engines
Textbook.
As the work progresses, please be sure to keep
us in mind for parts or literature. Our main business here at
Fomoco.com is selling Genuine Ford stuff for classic cars. Best of luck
with your new Cougar. |
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| |  | RE: Carb -- Gary L, 09/12/2001
She and her deceased husband bought the car in 1972. She still has all of the receipts the previous owner had for the car as well as her own. I do not have any information on who the previous owner bought oit from. In 1989 the husband bought a Beemer and was going to use the XR as a trade in. His wife flipped and told him to keep his hands off her car. So, although she was a little to physically unstable to drive the car she still wanted it and put it in the garage under cover. It had 13 gallons of gas in it and I thought it would have turned to jelly by now, instead it all drained out easily. The only problems in the car are: rotted battery box, missing AC compressor and bracket, and missing hood pin plates and one pin. There may be some disparity in the valve cover and air cleaner from the original but I am not concerned about that. Pulled the battery box last night, what a pain, and will order one of those today. I have total use of the car as long as I give her a ride in it. She still refuses to sell it. |
| Are these numbers right for a 67 390 engine? -- Ken R, 09/11/2001
The trany is still attached to the engine so I couldn't get numbers off the back. The exhaust manifolds are still on the engine so it was hard to find numbers on the side of the block.
The head numbers are C7AE & DIF
In front of the engine below drivers side head it looks like the number 352
The pass side of block number is CGME-A
The intake has a LARGE S and then the numbers C6AE & 9425G
Thank you in advance for any information you can give.
Ken R |
| | Yes, in sorts... -- Gerry Proctor, 09/11/2001
Like the block would be C6ME-A, which is just a read error. It looks like an S-code 390 if the engine is virgin. Check the specs on Mr. F's "engines" page. |
| | | I agree. -- Dave Shoe, 09/12/2001
That's a '67 engine.
The C7AE-A heads (cast at Dearborn Iron Foundry) , the Equal runner "S-marked" intake is correct in either 2V or 4V form.
Shoe. |
| | | | Is there anything special about this engine? -- Ken R, 09/12/2001
or is this the way all 67 390ci engines were made?
The people that are selling the car say this is a "rare" S code car. Are all 67 390 cars considered S code cars or is this a rare car like they say?
Gerry and Dave, thank you for the information.
Ken |
| | | | | RE: Is there anything special about this engine? -- Gerry Proctor, 09/12/2001
It's a relatively common engine used in GT Mustangs and Fairlanes and wouldn't, by most definitions, be considered rare. I think your sellers are gilding the Lilly just a wee bit. As unbelievable as it sounds, the 390 2V engine in the Mustang is a rare option but this doesn't mean it's a more valuable car because of it.
If they claim it's rare, ask them to quote production numbers. A better engine option for rarity would be the last year option for the K-code 289 HiPo. |
| | | | | | RE: Is there anything special about this engine? -- Ken R, 09/12/2001
Gerry, Thank you for the information.
I too thought as you said, they were "gilding the lilly".
The car is a rolling chassy. It is straight, gutted and in primer. The engine & tranny are also out of the car. The only problem I see with the car is a half dollar sized hole in the trunk.
It has a lot of new parts including new Magnum 500s and tires.
One thing that has me stumped is that it has an 8" posi in it. I would think that it should have a 9" with the 390ci 4 speed combo.
Again thank you for the help.
Ken |
| | | | | | | I doubt it's an S-code 390GT engine. -- Dave Shoe, 09/12/2001
I mentined it's an "S"-marked intake, but that has NOTHING to do with it being an S-code engine. These are two DIFFERENT S's.
By virtue of production numbers, the heads most likely have the 8-bolt vertical exhaust manifold pattern. This says it's a Galaxie engine. Also, the 390-2V high-compression engine wasn't available in 1967, but the 390-2V econo engine was available in the Fairlane.
Any 390 block (2V, GT, whatever) is gonna be a solid starting point. There is no reason to hunt out a 390GT engine. as all GT-specific items would be replaced during a rebuild anyway.
The 8" rear has small-block written all over it. What kind of car are we talking about.
JMO,
Shoe. |
| | | | | | |  | Hey, Shoe, check the General Forum. -- Gerry Proctor, 09/12/2001
He's the one that asked for a VIN decode. It's a 390 car for sure, but with the wrong rearend. Bubba has laid hands on Ken's car. |
| | | | | | | | RE: I doubt it's an S-code 390GT engine. -- Ken R, 09/12/2001
Dave, again, thank you for the info. This engine has a 4 barrel carb and chrome air cleaner with a 390 sticker on it.
As for the exhaust, I'm not sure what the bolt pattern is but the manifold on the drivers side is kinda Y or triangle shaped. It covers up a lot of the engine block. It looks a lot like a 428 manifold I saw on a car in a magazine. The passinger side looks more log shaped.
Are all 390 cars considered GT?
Ken |
| | | | | | | | | In '67, 390 and 'GT' were separate options. [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/12/2001
n/m |
| | | | | | | | | | It now sounds like a 390GT. -- Dave Shoe, 09/12/2001
A stock 1967 4-barrel 390 with Fairlane/Mustang with chrome air cleaner lid and the exhaust manifolds you describe is a 390GT engine.
The main difference between the 390GT and all the other 390s that year is the GT got a nice cam and stiff valve springs. It also got a 600CFM Holley carb instead of the 450 CFM Autolite, a free-breathing air cleaner, a slightly recurved distributor advance, and maybe a better fan blade. California cars got Thermactor. Nothing else is special. That's right - no heavy-duty stuff - it's not neededwith the sturdy 390 components. All 390 Fairlane/Mustang exhaust manifolds are dogs, so don't expect any performance outta them.
The 390GT was only available from 1966 to 1968.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | | | | | | RE: It now sounds like a 390GT. -- Ken R, 09/13/2001
Dave, Gerry and Mr F, Thanks for all the help and info.
I didn't pay much attentsion to the carb. It is a Holley w/ vac. secondaries. It had a nice finish so I wouldn't think it was original.
Do you have any idea what numbers would have been on the original carb?
Thanks
Ken |
| | | | | | | | | | | RE: Carb correction. -- hrdtail, 09/13/2001
The correct carb for a 67 S code Mustang would be a 735 Holley. I may have the numbers at home on the Pony Carb rebuilt one I have. Will check later.
hrdtail |
| | | | | | | | | | | | 600 CFM for 390, 735 for Q or R 428 -- Gerry Proctor, 09/13/2001
It's a C6OE prefix. Suggest you search the archives since the particular part number differs for various options. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 600 CFM for 390, 735 for Q or R 428 -- Ken R, 09/14/2001
Thank you for the help.
Have a great weekend
Ken R |
| Exhaust gasket P/Ns -- John, 09/10/2001
I need an answer quickly. Am putting engine back in car Thursday, and after opening the exhaust gasket set I found the store had given me exhaust heat shields instead. They are a Fel-pro #MS95000 kit consisting of a 1-90353 and a 1-90354 steel heat shield type thing. The www.fel-pro.com site doesn't seem to be available, and I don't have a catalog. Does anybody know the right Fel-Pro P/N for the ehaust manifold gaskets?...the kind that looks like a "perforated" metal sandwich.
ps: these metal heat shields look like they'd be a real eyesore in the engine compartment once they start to rust etc. were they meant to be used with a gasket, or as a stand-alone thing? |
| | Maybe it's 9906, maybe 9066. -- Dave Shoe, 09/10/2001
I assume you are referring to a head with the 8-bolt vertical mounting pattern.
Felpro has given this perforated silver/black gasket a crappy part number.
If you hold it upright, as it would be mounted on the engine, the number is 9066.
The pisser is that 3" to the right is an upside-down "R1" imprint, made just like the part number. Makes ya wanna flip the gasket upside down to read the 9906 part number.
I think the thin steel gaskets are mean't to be installed without sealer between the head and the exhaust manifold. They were used on the production line. I don't think they work very well unless it's either a new motor, or the exhaust manifold had been freshly milled flat. Heck, sometimes Felpro silver/black crushable gaskets don't seal well on unmilled log-type exhaust manifolds, either.
Hope this helps.
Shoe. |
| | | Holy Cow! I just took a look at these gaskets. -- Dave Shoe, 09/11/2001
Before you install any FelPro FE exhaust gaskets, you'll want to check the bolt alignment with the head, as it relates to the port match of the gasket.
If you have C6AE-J, C6AE-L, C6AE-U, C7AE-A, C8AE-H, or D2TE-AA castings (i.e.: most 66-67 and all 68-later), you DEFINITELY want to mount these gaskets upside down. Other FE heads get them right side up.
I really wish the manufacturers would clarify how to mount their FE gaskets, or at least design the 8-bolt vertical pattern manifold gaskets to universally fit any FE exhaust port.
Shoe.
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| | | | Thank-you Shoe -- John, 09/11/2001
I'm off to the parts store to check it out. Thank-you |
| | | | | RE: Thank-you Shoe -- John, 09/11/2001
P/N is 9906. On indefinate backorder...so am going with Detroit Gasket. Will be in tomorrow. Thanks for the 9906 P/N, as there were an awful lot of Fel-Pro P/N's for 352 to 428 FE's. And I thought all the exhuast ports were pretty much the same cept for bolt spacing...you learn something new every day |
| 428 Cobra Galaxy -- Ray, 09/10/2001
How common was this particular cobra engine in the ford cars, the one that I have came out of a 1967 Galaxy 500. Ray |
| | Super rare. Non-existent, in fact. -- Dave Shoe, 09/10/2001
The 428 Cobra Jet was a 1968-1/2 invention. Before this, you could get slightly modified 428 PI engines in GT500 Shelbys and 1967 AC Cobras.
The 1967 Galaxie could be had with the plain 428 engine, the fancied-up plain 428 (7-liter option), and the 428 PI hydraulic lifter/alum intake motor. None of these were called a "Cobra" motor.
I suspect you are thinking of the 7-liter 428 package. This was a duded-up 428 with fancy trimmings and such.
Can you tell us more about what you've found? I may SOUND like I know what I'm talking about, but I'm regularly corrected in these forums.
Shoe. |
| | RE: 428 Cobra Galaxy -- Mr F, 09/11/2001
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How common was this particular cobra engine
in the ford cars, the one that I have came out of a 1967 Galaxy
500.
I presume you mean Ford's "passenger car
428", coded as "Q" in the VIN. It was also marketed as the
7-Litre
engine in 1966 and early 1967. You'll find they were poor sellers in '67
and so have become fairly rare today.
About
this "Cobra" business: although most of the 1966 Cobra roadsters came
through with a 427, its an open secret that some were sold with
428s instead. And this was not
some kind of sneaky
move to defraud unususpecting playboys of their inheritance. Shelby even
published a sales brochure that plainly refers to the "428 Cobra" engine.
And this brief moment in the sun is the reason why Ford still referred
to it as the "Cobra" for a short time, thereafter.
Mr
F | |
| | | RE: 428 Cobra Galaxy -- Ray, 09/11/2001
When I saw it, I knew that it was a 428. When I saw the cobra emblem on the air cleaner, it throught me! Now I'am on #'s run to varifiy what I have, i'ts a complete engine from air conditioning to air cleaner. Appreciate your help Mr F. Ray Tirri PS I'am building three engines for my 69 mock 1, now this one going to be the forth, one is a 482" FE. |
| | | | RE: 428 Cobra Galaxy -- John Saxon, 09/15/2001
Please give some more information on the 482"FE such as bore stroke what block what crank and what rods.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks John |
| | | | | Want 428 specs? See this page... -- Mr F, 09/15/2001
index.asp?Dept=4&Tool=0&Eng=26 |
| | | | | RE: 428 Cobra Galaxie -- Ray, 09/15/2001
John,
I'll get to the #'s as soon as I can. This FE thing is really taking off. I have 4 engines as well as misc. machine work incluging my own.
It's fun getting back into the 60's nostalgia stuff since that was my time period. I have raced plenty of Fords and others back then with my English Anglia Thames (Ford).
Check out my Website at: http://sites.netscape.net/puudog1/homepage
~Ray
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| | | | | RE: 428 Cobra Galaxy -- Ray, 09/15/2001
About the 482" F.E., 427 center oiler. 4.250 x 4.250, I'am useing 428 I.U. crank ground excentric, 6.800 rods, J.E. pistons, new type of total seal rings .700"lift roller cam. Dynos on my computer @ over 700 H/P! We will have to see when it finished. Ray
PS It's only half done, I'am getting nervise |
| | | RE: 428 Cobra Galaxy -- Skip C., 09/13/2001
Good Scoop Mr. F. Where did the "Jet" in "Cobra Jet" come from ?? The carb is the only thing on the car with a jet (that I can think of). Is it because they were equipped with a Holley carb ?
Skip |
| | | | | RE: No problem. Check out this old response... -- Skip C., 09/17/2001
Thanks, great scoop. I have a feiend with a 1970 428CJ Cougar convertible with Ram Air. Should his car have the "snake" valve covers ?? His are plain, aluminum w/ fins. |
| Changing plugs in a CJ -- Ron, 09/10/2001
I have a 428 Cobra Jet in a '68 Mustang. Is it
possible to change the plugs without pulling
the engine?? Any hints? |
| need a exploded view of steering column -- mikeb, 09/10/2001
assembly for a 69' fairlane cobra
Can anyone post one?
thanks
mikeb |
| Intake Manifold Height -- David Shelton, 09/08/2001
How much taller is an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake than a stock 428 Cobra Jet intake? Does anyone think it will work on a Cougar with Ram Air setup, or is it too tall? Thanks. |
| | RE: Intake Manifold Height -- Paul M, 09/08/2001
it should work, as I've been told that the RPM is the similar in height with the CJ/PI intakes.
But, if you have a CJ intake you can measure, go here:
http://edelbrock.com/automotive/index.html
On the left side, click on "Intake manifolds" and at the intake index, click on "Checking for Hood Clearance".
This shows how to measure your stock intake, then compare to the various Ebok intakes.
Performer RPM #'s are: A-4.89", B-6.04" according to their catalog.
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| Grommets -- Wayne Gulley, 09/07/2001
I'm looking for a part number for the brake line grommets that got through the shock towers on a '69' 428 CJ Mustang? |
| Port size on Offy Port-O-Sonic intake?!? -- Joshua Carroll, 09/07/2001
Thanks |
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