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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23525&Reply=23525><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>piston to valve clearance</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Greg Westphall, <i>12/13/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone know for sure if the following Crane cam has any piston to valve clearance issues.  I am running stock rod length 428CJ short block with TRW forged 10.5:1 pistons with out of the box Edelbrock aluminum heads, 1.76:1 rockers, .040 compressed thickness head gaskets and the deck has been left alone except for a minor dusting to assure a flat surface and good seal.<br><br>Crane Part Number: 349521 <br>This is a hydraulic Roller camshaft with the following specs:<br><br>Grind Number: HR-222/332-2S-10 <br>  <br>352-428 C.I. V   <br> <br>Valve Setting: Intake .000 Exhaust .000 HOT <br> <br>Lift: Intake @Cam 332 @Valve 584 All Lifts are based <br>on zero lash and theoretical rocker arm ratios. <br>  Exhaust @ Cam 345 @Valve 607 <br>Rocker Arm Ratio 1.76     <br> <br>Cam Timing: TAPPET @.004 <br>Lift:   Opens Closes ADV Duration <br>  Intake 33.0 BTDC 71.0 ABDC 284.0 ° <br>  Exhaust 76.0 BBDC 34.0 ATDC 290.0 ° <br>      <br> Recommended RPM range with matching components <br>Minimum RPM 2500 <br>Maximum RPM 6000 <br>Valve Float 6500 <br> <br>Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050 <br>Lift:   Opens Closes Max Lift Duration <br>  Intake 6.0 BTDC 36.0 ABDC 105 222.0 ° <br>  Exhaust 49.0 BBDC (1.0) BTDC 115 228.0 ° <br> <br>Any feedback would be appreciated<br>Thanks,<br>Greg <br> <br> <br> </blockquote> piston to valve clearance -- Greg Westphall, 12/13/2004
Does anyone know for sure if the following Crane cam has any piston to valve clearance issues. I am running stock rod length 428CJ short block with TRW forged 10.5:1 pistons with out of the box Edelbrock aluminum heads, 1.76:1 rockers, .040 compressed thickness head gaskets and the deck has been left alone except for a minor dusting to assure a flat surface and good seal.

Crane Part Number: 349521
This is a hydraulic Roller camshaft with the following specs:

Grind Number: HR-222/332-2S-10

352-428 C.I. V

Valve Setting: Intake .000 Exhaust .000 HOT

Lift: Intake @Cam 332 @Valve 584 All Lifts are based
on zero lash and theoretical rocker arm ratios.
Exhaust @ Cam 345 @Valve 607
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.76

Cam Timing: TAPPET @.004
Lift: Opens Closes ADV Duration
Intake 33.0 BTDC 71.0 ABDC 284.0 °
Exhaust 76.0 BBDC 34.0 ATDC 290.0 °

Recommended RPM range with matching components
Minimum RPM 2500
Maximum RPM 6000
Valve Float 6500

Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 6.0 BTDC 36.0 ABDC 105 222.0 °
Exhaust 49.0 BBDC (1.0) BTDC 115 228.0 °

Any feedback would be appreciated
Thanks,
Greg


Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23528&Reply=23525><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: piston to valve clearance</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>lucas, <i>12/13/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The only sure way to know your minimum piston/valve clearance is to assemble one bank and insert some clay into the piston crown, turn the engine over TWICE and remove the clay, section it and measure the clearance directly.  A pain in the rear, for sure,<br>but much less hassle than smacking some<br>valves around with the pistons!   </blockquote> RE: piston to valve clearance -- lucas, 12/13/2004
The only sure way to know your minimum piston/valve clearance is to assemble one bank and insert some clay into the piston crown, turn the engine over TWICE and remove the clay, section it and measure the clearance directly. A pain in the rear, for sure,
but much less hassle than smacking some
valves around with the pistons!
 RE: piston to valve clearance -- Greg Westphall, 12/14/2004
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I understand what best practices are. However, I am looking for some insight here. A roller cam is already a large investment (cam, lifters, distributor gear, pushrods and probably valve springs). If piston to valve clearance is an issue then there is the additional expense of fly-cutting the pistons, rebalancing, and gaskets. Before I even make the purchase it would be nice to know if someone on this site has run this cam and what they had to do to run it safely. The engine is in the car and running fine so there is really not any other reason to pull it.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23523&Reply=23523><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 Rebuild questions</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John M. Sutton, <i>12/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>All:  I lurk here on the board, and have come to highly respect Shoe, Hawkrod, Mr. F, Kevin Marti and others.  I appreciated so much how ths board handled recent allegations against a very upstanding man,  and therefore I trust your thoughts.  <br>My '66 F-100 is named Sweet Southern Comfort.  (No relation to the liquor, as I learned about later!) She spun a rod bearing last week, and I need to rebuild her motor.  I would like some advice on the rebuild, because money is tight, but I want to do what is good for the long run.  <br>Here is the situation, and I would really appreciate your thoughts and input. <br>First, here are my questions; read on down below for the details behind the questions:<br>1. Which block and rotating assembly should I use for rebuilding, a '66 Galaxie 390, a '69 torino block with C-7AE heads,  or a '74 truck mirror 105 390 with D2T heads?<br>2. Which set of heads should I use?<br>3. What externals do you all recommend?<br><br>Here is what I have now:<br>'66 352 2V with original block, but with re-worked C8AE car heads (about 30K ago. They will need freshening, due to stripped exhaust bolt holes.) Behind it is a C-6, a Doug Nash overdrive (similar to a Gear Vendors or US Gear overdrive), and a 3.50 9" rear.<br>Accessories already include power steering and air conditioning.<br><br>Here is what I have available to me:<br>1. A mirror 105 390 block, with D2T heads, out of a '74 or so F-250. It had a cast iron 4 bbl on it originally. (Price: $100)<br>2. A '66 4bbl 390 out of a '66 Galaxie.  (Price:  Free)<br>A '69 4bbl 390 from a torino, with C7AE heads. Cross hatching is still visible.  (Price $400)<br><br>These are my intentions for using Comfort:<br>She needs to run on regular gas.<br>I will use the stock manifolds, with the current dual exhaust on her right now. (I don't like tube headers, and I cannot afford the cast shorties.)<br>Also, I will use the stock pushrods and rocker arms. I don't see the need for adjustable ones in this application at all.<br>I intend to rebuild it with a 4bbl aluminum intake, and put a brand new (not rebuilt) 4bbl carb on it to for good mileage, but have the power in the secondaries if needed. Edelbrock has come highly recommended over Holley for this purpose.<br><br>I would like to consider fuel injection, but I think that multipoint injection is beyond my price range right now. If the cost of gas stays pretty much the same, I don't know if a system such as the Holley Proinjection (sp?) unit will pay for itself soon enough.  I don't know if it will be worth the savings.<br><br>I intend her primarily for street use, occasional towing of medium level things, and no racing or the like.<br>I do not intend to haul heavy things except rarely; I keep a camper shell on it to preserve the bed.<br>The motor rebuild must be kept economical, but I don't want to scrimp so that I spend more in the long run.<br><br>I've been following the other FE forums about FE rebuilds, and they have some great ideas, but most of them seem to get a little carried away spending other people's money!<br><br>This list is the consensus I have pulled from other forums; I would like to hear from you all about this.<br>KB-Silvolite 1131 cast pistons, with the 1.76" compression height.<br>Edelbrock Performer RPM intake<br>Edelbrock 600 cfm carb<br>OR, the Holley Proinjection setup<br>Crane 343941 cam (with new lifters, of course)<br><br>Thanks for your thoughts.<br>banjopicker66 at hotmail dot com. </blockquote> 390 Rebuild questions -- John M. Sutton, 12/12/2004
All: I lurk here on the board, and have come to highly respect Shoe, Hawkrod, Mr. F, Kevin Marti and others. I appreciated so much how ths board handled recent allegations against a very upstanding man, and therefore I trust your thoughts.
My '66 F-100 is named Sweet Southern Comfort. (No relation to the liquor, as I learned about later!) She spun a rod bearing last week, and I need to rebuild her motor. I would like some advice on the rebuild, because money is tight, but I want to do what is good for the long run.
Here is the situation, and I would really appreciate your thoughts and input.
First, here are my questions; read on down below for the details behind the questions:
1. Which block and rotating assembly should I use for rebuilding, a '66 Galaxie 390, a '69 torino block with C-7AE heads, or a '74 truck mirror 105 390 with D2T heads?
2. Which set of heads should I use?
3. What externals do you all recommend?

Here is what I have now:
'66 352 2V with original block, but with re-worked C8AE car heads (about 30K ago. They will need freshening, due to stripped exhaust bolt holes.) Behind it is a C-6, a Doug Nash overdrive (similar to a Gear Vendors or US Gear overdrive), and a 3.50 9" rear.
Accessories already include power steering and air conditioning.

Here is what I have available to me:
1. A mirror 105 390 block, with D2T heads, out of a '74 or so F-250. It had a cast iron 4 bbl on it originally. (Price: $100)
2. A '66 4bbl 390 out of a '66 Galaxie. (Price: Free)
A '69 4bbl 390 from a torino, with C7AE heads. Cross hatching is still visible. (Price $400)

These are my intentions for using Comfort:
She needs to run on regular gas.
I will use the stock manifolds, with the current dual exhaust on her right now. (I don't like tube headers, and I cannot afford the cast shorties.)
Also, I will use the stock pushrods and rocker arms. I don't see the need for adjustable ones in this application at all.
I intend to rebuild it with a 4bbl aluminum intake, and put a brand new (not rebuilt) 4bbl carb on it to for good mileage, but have the power in the secondaries if needed. Edelbrock has come highly recommended over Holley for this purpose.

I would like to consider fuel injection, but I think that multipoint injection is beyond my price range right now. If the cost of gas stays pretty much the same, I don't know if a system such as the Holley Proinjection (sp?) unit will pay for itself soon enough. I don't know if it will be worth the savings.

I intend her primarily for street use, occasional towing of medium level things, and no racing or the like.
I do not intend to haul heavy things except rarely; I keep a camper shell on it to preserve the bed.
The motor rebuild must be kept economical, but I don't want to scrimp so that I spend more in the long run.

I've been following the other FE forums about FE rebuilds, and they have some great ideas, but most of them seem to get a little carried away spending other people's money!

This list is the consensus I have pulled from other forums; I would like to hear from you all about this.
KB-Silvolite 1131 cast pistons, with the 1.76" compression height.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
Edelbrock 600 cfm carb
OR, the Holley Proinjection setup
Crane 343941 cam (with new lifters, of course)

Thanks for your thoughts.
banjopicker66 at hotmail dot com.
 RE: 390 Rebuild questions -- giacamo, 12/14/2004
don,t forget new springs for the.533 .563 lift cam don,t skimp on the heads new exaust seats and gides cast gides for the streat not brounze. i,d use the newest crank and block if in good shape i,d use fed flattop cast pistones new rod bolts tap all oil gallery plug holes and install allenplugs tose the pushin tipe plugs, a melling hv pump a deap pan and windage tray if racing, i,d can go on and on but make shure the heads are right ive sean so many fe heads crap out because por workmanship it would make you sick......
 RE: 390 Rebuild questions -- big dave, 12/22/2004
my suggestion, use the mirror 105 block (they are really strong) and use the C7AE heads and get a performer 390 edelbrock. A 650 or 700 carb should work nicely
 RE: 390 Rebuild questions -- McQ, 12/23/2004
This sounds like a very common sense rebuild that should work well for your intended use. Both giacomo and big dave have made some good recs., i.e., quality workmanship, 600 CFM carb, E'brock Performer instead of the RPM intake.

Just a few more opinions from me:

Have all three blocks "checked-out" thoroughly. Select the best. There's really nothing too special or different between the three. I've also heard that the mirror 105 blocks may have thicker cylinder walls but that's all....hearsay. Have them sonic tested for thickness and let us know what you find out.

You don't provide the actual specs on the cam that has been recommended. But whatever it is make sure it's a nice mild grind designed for torque/low RPM power in a 4,000 lb. vehicle. You will appreciate a cam that idles well at 600 RPM and makes good power/torque to 4,000-4,500. I'd even consider the Edelbrock Performer shaft(NOT the RPM).

Which leads to my rec of the Performer intake over the RPM intake. The Performer was designed for your described needs and intentions. It works very well from idle to 5,000 RPM. And the E'brock 600 CFM carb is as easy as a carb can be to bolt on right out of the box and if tuning is necessary....easily done with their booklet and their kit with all jets, step-up springs, metering rods available. Makes you feel like a real "tuner" to be able to dial in a carb that doesn't leak, stumble or bog.

C7, C8, or D2 heads? They're all basically the same. Use the best, easiest to rebuild. And, yes, you should have hardened exhaust seats installed with the rebuild.

Stock exhaust manifolds? Sure if they're not cracked. Have them surfaced along with the surface of the head and you shouldn't even need manifold gaskets which tend to blow out anyway. I've had no troubles runnng the ex. manifolds without gaskets as long as both surfaces are true.

I'm running a somewhat similar 390 in my '68 F100. I even have a cast iron 4V intake, a mild(C6OZ-B "GT-CJ" cam. I do run the Hedman headers. My pistons are stock cast 4V flat tops. I've got 3.50's with a mild shifting C6. It hauls trash very well.

Good luck with your '66 SSC. You're laying the plans for a great old Ford pick-up.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23514&Reply=23514><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Alternator questions</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dale, <i>12/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I was driving my project 68 Mustang GT 390 the other day and the alternator light came on out of nowhere.  I tested the system to the best of my ability and determined that it was not charging.  <br><br>My tech suggested a new alternator, so a quick trip to NAPA and a acquired one.   As usual with electrical problems, the thing is never the thing.  He then suggested a new regulator which I purchased and he installed.<br><br>Now the light is still on, but very dim, not the bright light it was when it came on.  It is the same dimness whether the car is running or the key in just the "on" position.<br><br>The battery is still not charging.<br><br>Any help or suggestions with this problem would be greatly appreciated.<br><br>Dale<br> </blockquote> Alternator questions -- Dale, 12/12/2004
I was driving my project 68 Mustang GT 390 the other day and the alternator light came on out of nowhere. I tested the system to the best of my ability and determined that it was not charging.

My tech suggested a new alternator, so a quick trip to NAPA and a acquired one. As usual with electrical problems, the thing is never the thing. He then suggested a new regulator which I purchased and he installed.

Now the light is still on, but very dim, not the bright light it was when it came on. It is the same dimness whether the car is running or the key in just the "on" position.

The battery is still not charging.

Any help or suggestions with this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Dale
 RE: Alternator questions -- raycfe, 12/12/2004
Corroded terminals, or ground at the regulator, or a shorted radio capacitor, would be things to check .
 RE: Alternator questions -- John, 12/12/2004
Oh-oh.....sounds like a bad regulator caused one of the diodes in your new alternator to go. By the time you got your new regulator installed, it was too late. By the way, many alternator/regualtor problems are originally caused by a bad battery.....not counting worn alt bearings. Suggest taking the car to a shp specializing in alternator/starter repair. Will take the guess work out of swapping parts....er...well, it should.
 I'd have tested the regulator & cables, first. Read these... -- Mr F, 12/12/2004
http://www.fomoco.com/forumMain/reply.asp?ID=138951&Reply=138712
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23513&Reply=23513><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390+ ideas</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>cable dave, <i>12/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>ok guys and gals I got it home it's a 390 and it's got a $3500 budget. I need mid range power for my 72 mustang grande. All ideas will be helpfull to me as I have not built an FE before.<br>I am a mech working on heavy equip and underground boring equip so I have some machining in the shop. <br>I also picked up a 2xbbbl open plenum intake and carbs (maybe use maybe sell who knows).<br> I also aquired a pair of 460 bbf and trans for them. I also have access to some exotic parts for fe engines and other stuff as well.  500 hp should be enough. So how do I get there with no nos and an auto trans? You guys know the parts and tweaks for these.THIS WILL NOT BE A STOCK PROJECT MUSTANG...!!<br> All help is thanked for in advance. <br>CableDave </blockquote> 390+ ideas -- cable dave, 12/12/2004
ok guys and gals I got it home it's a 390 and it's got a $3500 budget. I need mid range power for my 72 mustang grande. All ideas will be helpfull to me as I have not built an FE before.
I am a mech working on heavy equip and underground boring equip so I have some machining in the shop.
I also picked up a 2xbbbl open plenum intake and carbs (maybe use maybe sell who knows).
I also aquired a pair of 460 bbf and trans for them. I also have access to some exotic parts for fe engines and other stuff as well. 500 hp should be enough. So how do I get there with no nos and an auto trans? You guys know the parts and tweaks for these.THIS WILL NOT BE A STOCK PROJECT MUSTANG...!!
All help is thanked for in advance.
CableDave
 RE: 390+ ideas -- mns, 12/12/2004
Your 460 C6 will not bolt up to your 65 390 block. We would go the 460 route in this 72 mustang. just our penny worth
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23507&Reply=23507><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>C3AE-9425-H 8V Intake Question.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Matthew Keiser, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just traded an old Edelbrock Torker/Streetmaster type intake for this 8V intake.  I've been wanting one for my 67 Fairlane project for a while.  I know this is a low rise version as far as the carb heights are concerned, but is this for the low or medium riser heads?  What applications would have used this intake originally?  I'm wanting the nostalgic look of the 427 dual four setup and good street performance and driveability.  Opinions on this intake?  Thanks! </blockquote> C3AE-9425-H 8V Intake Question. -- Matthew Keiser, 12/11/2004
I just traded an old Edelbrock Torker/Streetmaster type intake for this 8V intake. I've been wanting one for my 67 Fairlane project for a while. I know this is a low rise version as far as the carb heights are concerned, but is this for the low or medium riser heads? What applications would have used this intake originally? I'm wanting the nostalgic look of the 427 dual four setup and good street performance and driveability. Opinions on this intake? Thanks!
 OEM application is 427 LR. No 427 MR heads, in 1963 [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/21/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23504&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>William Goolsby, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Need to now if I am about to waste a grand on heads or if I should just get the iron ones ported and polished. I am looking to push 450 horse at least. One reason I want the Eds is weight. Would like HP and torque, pros and cons if any. Thanks </blockquote> Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- William Goolsby, 12/11/2004
Need to now if I am about to waste a grand on heads or if I should just get the iron ones ported and polished. I am looking to push 450 horse at least. One reason I want the Eds is weight. Would like HP and torque, pros and cons if any. Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23506&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Matthew Keiser, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>You'll have as much if not more in the iron heads by the time you're through with them.  You can't beat the Edelbrocks out of the box from a cost vs. performance standpoint.  Also, if you plan to run pump gas, the valve seats on the old heads won't survive - not a problem with the Edelbrocks.  I bought a set of the 6006 castings complete, gasket matched them to the performer RPM intake, put them on a 428 with 10.2:1 compression, moderate solid lift cam and the combination was good for 10.9's @ 121 in my 68 Mustang - 3220 lbs.  Reduced weight from the heads is a bonus!  Great heads out of the box for street car, tons of capability for more radical applications.  Only way to go if you ask me! </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- Matthew Keiser, 12/11/2004
You'll have as much if not more in the iron heads by the time you're through with them. You can't beat the Edelbrocks out of the box from a cost vs. performance standpoint. Also, if you plan to run pump gas, the valve seats on the old heads won't survive - not a problem with the Edelbrocks. I bought a set of the 6006 castings complete, gasket matched them to the performer RPM intake, put them on a 428 with 10.2:1 compression, moderate solid lift cam and the combination was good for 10.9's @ 121 in my 68 Mustang - 3220 lbs. Reduced weight from the heads is a bonus! Great heads out of the box for street car, tons of capability for more radical applications. Only way to go if you ask me!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23509&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>William Goolsby, <i>12/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Matthew, Sounds good, if you dont mind what was your setup, cam, port ,headers, etc. Thanks. </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- William Goolsby, 12/12/2004
Matthew, Sounds good, if you dont mind what was your setup, cam, port ,headers, etc. Thanks.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23510&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Matthew Keiser, <i>12/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The heads are the 6006 Medium Riser versions w/72cc chambers.  Cam is Comp Cams dual patern 246/256 @ .050, .564/.590 lift.  Headers are Hooker adjustable race headers, 2" primaries.  Carb is standard Holley 750 double pumper I worked over by milling air horn and smoothing up the center.  Car also has C-4 trans and 4.33 gear.  Other than the basic gasket matching on the heads and intake, these are basically as they came from Edelbrock.  Hope this helps, I'm always happy to share information - I've sure asked for plenty!! </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- Matthew Keiser, 12/12/2004
The heads are the 6006 Medium Riser versions w/72cc chambers. Cam is Comp Cams dual patern 246/256 @ .050, .564/.590 lift. Headers are Hooker adjustable race headers, 2" primaries. Carb is standard Holley 750 double pumper I worked over by milling air horn and smoothing up the center. Car also has C-4 trans and 4.33 gear. Other than the basic gasket matching on the heads and intake, these are basically as they came from Edelbrock. Hope this helps, I'm always happy to share information - I've sure asked for plenty!!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23512&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>William Goolsby, <i>12/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Yes you have helped, one more question though. I plan on converting my 390 to EFI. I have another post in here on why. (if you know) Would these parts work as well in an EFI motor as they do in a carbed or does it matter. I know a pretty bad newb question, just don't know much about FE motors. </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- William Goolsby, 12/12/2004
Yes you have helped, one more question though. I plan on converting my 390 to EFI. I have another post in here on why. (if you know) Would these parts work as well in an EFI motor as they do in a carbed or does it matter. I know a pretty bad newb question, just don't know much about FE motors.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23524&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Matthew Keiser, <i>12/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>William, most anything reguarding cylinder heads applies the same whether fuel injected or carbureted.  Intake selection would be a big factor to consider, and maybe different depending on whether your going throttle body or port injection.  You definetly want to consider the primary usage of the engine when selecting the camshaft (or any other component for that matter).  My application was together primarily for drag racing .  The EFI setup would be cool on an FE for sure.  Nice combination of modern technology and nostalgia.  What type of car will you be working with and what primary use? </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- Matthew Keiser, 12/12/2004
William, most anything reguarding cylinder heads applies the same whether fuel injected or carbureted. Intake selection would be a big factor to consider, and maybe different depending on whether your going throttle body or port injection. You definetly want to consider the primary usage of the engine when selecting the camshaft (or any other component for that matter). My application was together primarily for drag racing . The EFI setup would be cool on an FE for sure. Nice combination of modern technology and nostalgia. What type of car will you be working with and what primary use?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23542&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>William Goolsby, <i>12/14/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>67 Mustang Fastback, weekend/nice day driver. Something to beat the piss out of a whole helluva lot of vettes with. Not an everyday driver but if the time is right then I will be takin it back and forth from work and to a show or 2. Now throttle body injection is basically a carb with injectors in it from what I understand, how wrong am I. I plan on having and Edelbrock performer intake and drilling holes for injectors, adding fuel rails and a throttle body. I would like a cam with a slight lope. Something that tells you that you are not sure how much power there is but not a sleeper either. I would also like to run about 10 to 1 compression in this engine. If thats way wrong please let me know. Thanks </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- William Goolsby, 12/14/2004
67 Mustang Fastback, weekend/nice day driver. Something to beat the piss out of a whole helluva lot of vettes with. Not an everyday driver but if the time is right then I will be takin it back and forth from work and to a show or 2. Now throttle body injection is basically a carb with injectors in it from what I understand, how wrong am I. I plan on having and Edelbrock performer intake and drilling holes for injectors, adding fuel rails and a throttle body. I would like a cam with a slight lope. Something that tells you that you are not sure how much power there is but not a sleeper either. I would also like to run about 10 to 1 compression in this engine. If thats way wrong please let me know. Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23543&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Matthew, re: cam</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ron, <i>12/15/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>How does your cam sound at idle? rumpy?<br>thanks<br>Ron </blockquote> Matthew, re: cam -- Ron, 12/15/2004
How does your cam sound at idle? rumpy?
thanks
Ron
 cam sound -- Ron, 12/19/2004
1.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23550&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Matthew Keiser, <i>12/16/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I think your plan is good.  I have some experience with aftermarket throttle body fuel injection, none with port injection, but the throttle body setup was dissapointing.  I think the key to aftermarket injection is tuneability.  I'd look for a system with the most tuneability, something you could plug a laptop into.  The throttle body system I mentioned was pretty generic had only a few adjustments, so it never worked as good as we wanted it too.  Bottom line is, the more money you spend, the better product you get!  Also, my cam specs would be too much for your application - go with something milder. </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- Matthew Keiser, 12/16/2004
I think your plan is good. I have some experience with aftermarket throttle body fuel injection, none with port injection, but the throttle body setup was dissapointing. I think the key to aftermarket injection is tuneability. I'd look for a system with the most tuneability, something you could plug a laptop into. The throttle body system I mentioned was pretty generic had only a few adjustments, so it never worked as good as we wanted it too. Bottom line is, the more money you spend, the better product you get! Also, my cam specs would be too much for your application - go with something milder.
 RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- William Goolsby, 12/18/2004
Would you recommend the F.A.S.T. system? The SEFI system over the Bank to Bank system perhaps? I do want something that I can tune, but don't want to spend a fortune just to tune it.

Besides them any other systems that you know of?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24754&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/27/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>damn the best i turned was a 10.88,131 with tunnel ports,with 652 center squirts,may be i shou;lld scap them for them for the edelbrocks,ps i wieghed 3700 </blockquote> RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- walt, 04/27/2005
damn the best i turned was a 10.88,131 with tunnel ports,with 652 center squirts,may be i shou;lld scap them for them for the edelbrocks,ps i wieghed 3700
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24759&Reply=23504><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What kind of car was that? Which class? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/27/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> What kind of car was that? Which class? [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/27/2005
n/m
 RE: What kind of car was that? Which class? [n/m] -- walt, 04/29/2005
66 fairlane,with a 6 point roll,frame connectors,ran modified stock before this bracket came out,then i put it away for 35 yrs,just couldn't be consistant enough ,4 spd against a tricked out auto with the magic cheat stuff
 RE: Your opinions on Edelbrock heads for a 390 FE -- Matthew Keiser, 04/30/2005
Your car still made ALOT more horsepower to take a 3700 pound car to 131 mph! Very impressive.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23503&Reply=23503><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>It Lives</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kevin, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Okay so im a little new here and not the most car savy person in the world, but for the first time in a few months i got my 1965 Mercury Montclair to roar, its got a 390 with a 2 barrle carb all factory, anyway to the point, i want power<br><br>Exhaust - how big is to big 3'' pipe all the way back ?<br><br>Intake - Edlebrock prefomer RPM of FE ?<br><br>Carb - 650sih ?<br><br>supercharger ? is there even one avalable ?<br><br>also im looking to change out my c3 automatic with a four speed anything i need to know ?<br><br>im really looking to make power in the lower RPMs, i know the car whieghs 3 tons but hell i want something to be proud of that makes a lot of noise </blockquote> It Lives -- Kevin, 12/11/2004
Okay so im a little new here and not the most car savy person in the world, but for the first time in a few months i got my 1965 Mercury Montclair to roar, its got a 390 with a 2 barrle carb all factory, anyway to the point, i want power

Exhaust - how big is to big 3'' pipe all the way back ?

Intake - Edlebrock prefomer RPM of FE ?

Carb - 650sih ?

supercharger ? is there even one avalable ?

also im looking to change out my c3 automatic with a four speed anything i need to know ?

im really looking to make power in the lower RPMs, i know the car whieghs 3 tons but hell i want something to be proud of that makes a lot of noise
 RE: It Lives -- giacamo, 12/12/2004
headers help alot i,d find a fe 4v intake and a 650 cfm carb maybe 3:50,s in the rear,theas are just some bolt on things i,d do on a buget, with out going hog wild on a compleat bild.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23497&Reply=23497><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>mustang/fe</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>cable dave, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>here goes got a new fe 390 4bbl block id is new to me C5AE A Intake is C5SE943oc? last 2 digi hard to make outand it has very wimpy looking exhaust manifolds with one centered on the side of the block. My buddys and I think it came out of a 65 ford truck. In any case for 4 bills I think I got a good deal for central MI. My question is how far can I stroke and bore before I have to sleeve? Also picked up a pair of 460"s with trans (both) to sell more on those later </blockquote> mustang/fe -- cable dave, 12/11/2004
here goes got a new fe 390 4bbl block id is new to me C5AE A Intake is C5SE943oc? last 2 digi hard to make outand it has very wimpy looking exhaust manifolds with one centered on the side of the block. My buddys and I think it came out of a 65 ford truck. In any case for 4 bills I think I got a good deal for central MI. My question is how far can I stroke and bore before I have to sleeve? Also picked up a pair of 460"s with trans (both) to sell more on those later
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23500&Reply=23497><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>'65 Ford</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>C5SE = 1965 Thunderbird design.<br><br>C5AE-A is a common casting for any '65 FE block. If it was in a '65 pickup it would be a 352 I think.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> '65 Ford -- Royce, 12/11/2004
C5SE = 1965 Thunderbird design.

C5AE-A is a common casting for any '65 FE block. If it was in a '65 pickup it would be a 352 I think.

Royce
 RE: '65 Ford -- cable dave, 12/11/2004
it has the 1 5/16 snout to the crank and the stroke is right, but I will not know till I get the heads off and measure all of it. Just so you know it was running in a truck when I got ahold of it. God only knows where it came from. Any one need that intake I just got a 2x4bbl with matching holleys on it.Now I need heads and a trans for it. Or will my 72 mustang c-6 fit. I'll buy heads for it when re-building from elde or weiand unless I could use any of those 82 460 parts
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23493&Reply=23493><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>russ, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i have a 66 fairlane gta 390, want to put new headers on and want 2in. but am concerned about road clearance. seen some that really hang pretty low.the hookers (15/8in.) on there now ain;t to bad but 2front left side go under crossmember and are really close to the oil filter. any input would help, i enjoy this forum but just read mostly  </blockquote> headers -- russ, 12/11/2004
i have a 66 fairlane gta 390, want to put new headers on and want 2in. but am concerned about road clearance. seen some that really hang pretty low.the hookers (15/8in.) on there now ain;t to bad but 2front left side go under crossmember and are really close to the oil filter. any input would help, i enjoy this forum but just read mostly
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23494&Reply=23493><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>fairlaniac, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>FPA's do not hang any lower than the oil pan. Follow this link to view the headers off engine. <a href="http://www.fordpowertrain.com/390428triy.htm">http://www.fordpowertrain.com/390428triy.htm</a> These are one piece and no tubes wrap around the frame as Hookers do. I also prefer the ball/socket connection. </blockquote> RE: headers -- fairlaniac, 12/11/2004
FPA's do not hang any lower than the oil pan. Follow this link to view the headers off engine. http://www.fordpowertrain.com/390428triy.htm These are one piece and no tubes wrap around the frame as Hookers do. I also prefer the ball/socket connection.
 RE: headers -- fairlaniac, 12/11/2004
I got mine with a 428CJ exhaust header flange. you can get a 390GT flange as well. My cost as seen was $515 with the power steering drop bracket.
 RE: headers -- Pat Kinney, 01/16/2006
If you are going to go bigger than 1 7/8" be prepared to remove your power steering and air conditioner if you have them. This is required to install 2" and larger. Hooker is a good set. Had them on my 67 fastback GT. Cost a few dollars though.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23505&Reply=23493><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Matthew Keiser, <i>12/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I may be interested in the headers you have now if you decide to sell them.  Do the front tubes on both sides drop down in front of the crossmember before moving back to the collector?  I'm looking for a set of drag race type headers for my 67 Fairlane.<br><br>For a street car with clearance issues, the FPA headers are a good choice.  Nice quality. </blockquote> RE: headers -- Matthew Keiser, 12/11/2004
I may be interested in the headers you have now if you decide to sell them. Do the front tubes on both sides drop down in front of the crossmember before moving back to the collector? I'm looking for a set of drag race type headers for my 67 Fairlane.

For a street car with clearance issues, the FPA headers are a good choice. Nice quality.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23553&Reply=23493><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>russ, <i>12/17/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>no, just the two front tubes on the drivers side.sure when i find a set i;ll sell these;s. i don;t know if i like the 4 into 2 pipe set up.looking to free up some back pressure </blockquote> RE: headers -- russ, 12/17/2004
no, just the two front tubes on the drivers side.sure when i find a set i;ll sell these;s. i don;t know if i like the 4 into 2 pipe set up.looking to free up some back pressure
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24950&Reply=23493><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>sidewinder, <i>05/14/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>The FPA header is good for 550 + HP street engine and will out torque any other FE header. If ground clearance matters, there are no other choices. </blockquote> RE: headers -- sidewinder, 05/14/2005
The FPA header is good for 550 + HP street engine and will out torque any other FE header. If ground clearance matters, there are no other choices.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24954&Reply=23493><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>05/14/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>i have had a lot of trouble with the headers that will require pulling the motor mounts,and pulling the starter,i found that the better ones that had the two front tubes cleaered the a arms,they did hang a little lower,but you never touched the starter or motor mounts,the other set i have,cross the oilpan twice,made in sections by doug thorley,with removeable tube to clear starter replacement,and were supossed to criss cross in firing order,the worst headers my opinion,are heddman,they are very non big block ford friendly,they use the chevy type adaptations to try to apply it to fords,all 4 tubes at the back of the starter,no clearance to service the starter,or the heat soakon the starteri meant to say at the back of the starter housing,holley in one of it's spin of companies,had headers available,but darn if i can remember the name,i belive it starts with an E,but they did go in without pulling starters,and motor mounts </blockquote> RE: headers -- walt, 05/14/2005
i have had a lot of trouble with the headers that will require pulling the motor mounts,and pulling the starter,i found that the better ones that had the two front tubes cleaered the a arms,they did hang a little lower,but you never touched the starter or motor mounts,the other set i have,cross the oilpan twice,made in sections by doug thorley,with removeable tube to clear starter replacement,and were supossed to criss cross in firing order,the worst headers my opinion,are heddman,they are very non big block ford friendly,they use the chevy type adaptations to try to apply it to fords,all 4 tubes at the back of the starter,no clearance to service the starter,or the heat soakon the starteri meant to say at the back of the starter housing,holley in one of it's spin of companies,had headers available,but darn if i can remember the name,i belive it starts with an E,but they did go in without pulling starters,and motor mounts
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24956&Reply=23493><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>sidewinder, <i>05/14/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>First of all, one needs to remember that the Fairlane/ Mustang engine bay with an FE is unforgiving. The FPA header for those car is as good as it gets for the nightmare that is played out in that scenario. With use of the smaller Power Master Hi torque starter you will have Far Far less problems than the other brands. </blockquote> RE: headers -- sidewinder, 05/14/2005
First of all, one needs to remember that the Fairlane/ Mustang engine bay with an FE is unforgiving. The FPA header for those car is as good as it gets for the nightmare that is played out in that scenario. With use of the smaller Power Master Hi torque starter you will have Far Far less problems than the other brands.
 RE: headers -- walt, 05/14/2005
sorry,i'm using numbers from 30 yrs ago,and they worked,'but i'm refering to an econconical and labor less intensive aspect.to benifit the the others.fyp heaers might be the best bet for certain apps,but i'm just giving info what to watch out for to make it easier for the installer.who ever supplied the tubes
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23483&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>motor swapped?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ken Powers, <i>12/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>In reference to my 65 T-bird. the motor and valve covers and air filter are Ford blue. What I've read says should be black w/ gold.  Is this an indication that it's not the original motor? Casting numbers on the motor read C9AE 9425-B Can someone with more knowledge help me with a translation?<br><br>[Edited for clarity by Admin.] </blockquote> motor swapped? -- Ken Powers, 12/09/2004
In reference to my 65 T-bird. the motor and valve covers and air filter are Ford blue. What I've read says should be black w/ gold. Is this an indication that it's not the original motor? Casting numbers on the motor read C9AE 9425-B Can someone with more knowledge help me with a translation?

[Edited for clarity by Admin.]
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23485&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Let's keep it simple - follow this link and start reading...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>12/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.jcoconsulting.com/ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=594&Reply=591">http://www.jcoconsulting.com/ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=594&Reply=591</a> </blockquote> Let's keep it simple - follow this link and start reading... -- Mr F, 12/09/2004
http://www.jcoconsulting.com/ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=594&Reply=591
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23486&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Let's keep it simple - follow this link and start reading...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ken Powers, <i>12/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The search was interesting but lacked productive results. The motor is still in the T-bird. I could find only two sets of stampings in relief.  Both are on the intake manifold.  Up front the C9AE 9425 B and on the back of the manifol the firing order.  I can locate nothing in the bell housing area, or anywhere near the alternator.  Have removed enough crud so they should show.  Are their any visual indicators of, at least, displacement? </blockquote> RE: Let's keep it simple - follow this link and start reading... -- Ken Powers, 12/09/2004
The search was interesting but lacked productive results. The motor is still in the T-bird. I could find only two sets of stampings in relief. Both are on the intake manifold. Up front the C9AE 9425 B and on the back of the manifol the firing order. I can locate nothing in the bell housing area, or anywhere near the alternator. Have removed enough crud so they should show. Are their any visual indicators of, at least, displacement?
 Ok, but with no block & head IDs all else is speculation. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/10/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23487&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>C9ae</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mns, <i>12/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>1969 fullsize. Parts on your engine should be C5A, C5S, etc.  The C stands the "60s" , The 9 for 69. 5 for 65 .. A for fullsize . S would be a TBird Only part. But remember that a wheel that fit a lot of things could be a XXA part, but  a Tbird nameplate that was first used in 1965 would be a C5S...E for engineering number, Z for the part number...simply put </blockquote> C9ae -- mns, 12/09/2004
1969 fullsize. Parts on your engine should be C5A, C5S, etc. The C stands the "60s" , The 9 for 69. 5 for 65 .. A for fullsize . S would be a TBird Only part. But remember that a wheel that fit a lot of things could be a XXA part, but a Tbird nameplate that was first used in 1965 would be a C5S...E for engineering number, Z for the part number...simply put
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23488&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C9ae</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ken Powers, <i>12/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thank you, the info does help. May I ask is their anything particular about the valve covers, air cleaner, carb or such that can give a clue? </blockquote> RE: C9ae -- Ken Powers, 12/09/2004
Thank you, the info does help. May I ask is their anything particular about the valve covers, air cleaner, carb or such that can give a clue?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23489&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C9ae</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>raycfe, <i>12/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Not a bird expert but, I would think a 65 would have oil fill in the intake manifold, valve covers with no openings, Also the trans would have a alum bellhousing and a cast iron case "Old Cruiseamatic" the Starter would also have no top cover (for the arm). Just a few things I can think of. </blockquote> RE: C9ae -- raycfe, 12/09/2004
Not a bird expert but, I would think a 65 would have oil fill in the intake manifold, valve covers with no openings, Also the trans would have a alum bellhousing and a cast iron case "Old Cruiseamatic" the Starter would also have no top cover (for the arm). Just a few things I can think of.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23490&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C9ae</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ken Powers, <i>12/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>WOW, now I'm getting somewhere.  This motor has oil breathers/fillers in each valve cover.  Valve covers each say Power by Ford.  Motor and valve covers and air cleaner are Ford light blue.  Carb is 4 brl. Air cleaner has a decal that says 390 cu in. Tranny bell housing does appear to be aluminum.<br><br>Thanks for sticking with me on this.  It help greatly. </blockquote> RE: C9ae -- Ken Powers, 12/09/2004
WOW, now I'm getting somewhere. This motor has oil breathers/fillers in each valve cover. Valve covers each say Power by Ford. Motor and valve covers and air cleaner are Ford light blue. Carb is 4 brl. Air cleaner has a decal that says 390 cu in. Tranny bell housing does appear to be aluminum.

Thanks for sticking with me on this. It help greatly.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23491&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Sounds like a 69 powertrain</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>raycfe, <i>12/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Rectanglar snorkel 68-upIf the air cleaner has a metal elbow on it in the front  most likly a 69 air cleaner. Plastic 70 and up. </blockquote> Sounds like a 69 powertrain -- raycfe, 12/10/2004
Rectanglar snorkel 68-upIf the air cleaner has a metal elbow on it in the front most likly a 69 air cleaner. Plastic 70 and up.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23530&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Sounds like a 69 powertrain</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ken Powers, <i>12/13/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Just un-corked the heads and found a 9B4 cast into the heads does this reinforce what we believe to be a 69 390? </blockquote> RE: Sounds like a 69 powertrain -- Ken Powers, 12/13/2004
Just un-corked the heads and found a 9B4 cast into the heads does this reinforce what we believe to be a 69 390?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23536&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Head was cast on 4 Feb 1969.  n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>12/14/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n.m. </blockquote> RE: Head was cast on 4 Feb 1969. n/m -- Gerry Proctor, 12/14/2004
n.m.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23538&Reply=23483><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Head was cast on 4 Feb 1969.  n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ken Powers, <i>12/14/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks Gerry. Is the motor a 390 as opposed to a 429? </blockquote> RE: Head was cast on 4 Feb 1969. n/m -- Ken Powers, 12/14/2004
Thanks Gerry. Is the motor a 390 as opposed to a 429?
 RE: Not likely. -- Gerry Proctor, 12/14/2004
It appears all you provided was a casting number for the intake manifold which is only useful for identifying that one particular part. Intake manifolds can be swapped, just like every other component. A block casting code (passenger side, near the front just above the oil pan rail, like C7ME-A or something like that) and a date code(driver side, just under the oil filter adapter pad) would be more helpful in determining something a bit more specific.

I'm not an expert parts decoder but that it would be a very difficult prospect to install a 385-series engine in an early 'Bird leads me to believe that it is an FE engine.

If the block date code is post mid-68 then you may also find a partial VIN on the driver side back of the block near the deck. That can be used to determine what the engine actually came out of.

I'm afraid I'm not very helpful on these code cracking issues.
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