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| Edelbrock head resriction? -- Don H, 08/23/2004
im trying to gather a concensus opinion on whether to restrict oil hole on these heads. Running hyd. roller cam/lifters/Rockers. The hole is noticably smaller than the iron heads. The standard 1/4 npt plug trick wont work but a Mikuni dirtbike pilot jet drilled out would tap in nicely. Any advice would be appreciated. |
| Mustang shaker -- Dano, 08/21/2004
Does anyone know if you can use a factory 428 style shaker hood assembly using the Edelbrock performer rpm manifold? |
| | RE: Mustang shaker -- Barry B, 08/21/2004
No, the carb. pad on the RPM sits farther rearward than the stock location. The back of the shaker will hit the hood. I don't know why Edelbrock did this, distribution problems? I know my Performer runs lean on #4 & #8. |
| | | RE: Mustang shaker -- Dano, 08/22/2004
Thanks Barry. |
| | | | RE: Mustang shaker -- Chad, 08/22/2004
This info has put a kink in my plans. I was going to run an Edelbrock intake with Edelbrock aluminum heads on my 69 R-Code Mach 1. Would the PI intake now be my best option? |
| | | | | RE: Mustang shaker -- Barry B, 08/23/2004
A PI would be good if you can find one in decent shape. An old Ed F427 would too but the same deal with that too. For new, a Blue Thunder would be just the ticket if you can afford it. |
| | | | | | RE: Mustang shaker -- Chad, 08/23/2004
I was going to use a PI to begin with, but I liked the idea of the Edelbrock heads and intake matching so well. Wondering how well the ports match between a PI and the Edelbrock heads? I also saw in one of my catalogs that Ford motorsports makes an intake designed after the PI. It seems priced reasonable. Wondering if anyone has any experience with this new Ford intake? Thanks for any info. |
| | | | | | | RE: pi intake -- kyle thompson, 08/24/2004
well chad the port size on the edlebrock intake is 1.16 * 1.97 and the ports on PI intake is 1.24 * 1.94
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| | | | | | | | RE: pi intake -- Chad, 08/24/2004
Thanks for the info Kyle. |
| The 427 is up-n-running! -- McQ, 08/20/2004
Finally, after too many years my 427 fired to life today.
It only took a couple of squirts of gas into the primarys of the '62 4100 Autolite 1.12 carb. The initial idle control cranked way up for high RPM at fire. I'll be switching to a Holley eventually but this 4100 is tried, true and trusted. Perfect carb for an initial fire-up and break in period.
I'd primed the oil flow as well as I could by hand. I had the timing set at 10 degrees, installed the '60 dual point with Pertronix II plus MSD 6A. The rotor aimed dead on #1 terminal. Key on, remote control starter in left hand, right hand on 4100 throttle lever......hit it! It fired immediately. It did take a few more squirts of gas to keep it running but the gas got from the tank very quickly.
Let the '63 center oiler run at 2,000 rpm for 20 minutes. Adjusted the idle down to 1,000 for a few more minutes and then the coolant(just distilled water & one can of anti-rust/lubricant) started spitting out the overflow tube. I have a 180 thermostat but it heated up to 220 because I didn't set a fan up to blow air into the radiator. Just forgot about that one. But no big deal. A little extra heat on fire up may help seal things up.
The only leak I had was at the HP fuel filter inlet. I kept that wrapped in a rag because I didn't want to release my right hand from the accelerator lever. I wanted to keep the idle high initially to keep the cam awash in oil. After shutting the engine down I tightened the fuel line inlet fitting and that seemed to take care of the leak. No leaks at the valve covers!! I've had issues there before. No leaks at the pan or rear seal. This is the Milodon pan I had to use four gaskets with a windage tray due to the minor interference of the back of the pan with two rear ARP main bolts.
Here's the storage shelf parts gathered over the years to build this engine to look very similar to a '60 HP352:
'63 427 block standard bore. '65 sideoiler forged steel crank. '63 427 rods with ARP bolts(same as CJ 428) '63 C3J forged 427 industrial/marine pistons - these have a dish which worked perfectly with.. COAE-D heads ('60-'61 352/390HP) with 1.66 lo-riser/CJ exhaust valves and corresponding pocket porting to take advantage of the 1.66 exhaust. This piston-head combination yields 10.5:1. Original HP exhaust manifolds '61 HP390 intake with COAE-K dual point distributor. Only non OEM Ford parts: Competition 282S with Crower shell lifters and matching Crower push-rods. The rockers were refurbished and converted to locking nut style adjusters by Rocker Arm Specialties.
I did let the engine idle for a minute or two at 750 RPM. Had to go have a listen standing at the rear of the '60 Sunliner.....I was pleased with the nice lope I was hearing. The clatter of the solids was easy to hear also. I set the valves initially at a loose .028. I will eventually tighten these down to .022.
So I just had to share my excitement with the forum that has provided me help, support, information and some pleasurable reading at times. I'm far from hitting the road. I have no interior in the big Yosemite Yellow brute, no windshield or side windows, no top or bows. All of these things will be winter projects. I'll be working on clutch adjustment and minor tweaking to get this thing so it'll start within a second of turning the ignition key.
Thanks. |
| | RE: The 427 is up-n-running! -- salid, 08/20/2004
Hey Mikey, how about some pictures. I want to see the wide angle shot that shows your big grin as you transform the rear tires into smoke. Oops, I forgot, Aman of your maturity would not act in such a childish manner. Maybe you should bring that 'liner down here and I'll turn those tires into smoke for you. Yeah, dat's it, dats da ticket."
Congrats |
| | Congrats, McQ...... -- blinker, 08/20/2004
enjoy those FE fumes! |
| | Congratulations Mike!! N/M -- Royce, 08/20/2004
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| | Super! -- Barry B, 08/21/2004
Congrats Mike! I thought I heard some rumbling in the distance. ;)
And thanks for the nice recap, it’s almost like being there.
I wouldn’t worry about the extra heat, it probably helped your gaskets take a set and they’re ready for a retorque.
Congrats again!
Barry |
| | Awesome! I envy you! n/m -- Chad, 08/22/2004
n/m |
| | Scared! -- John, 08/22/2004
I'm always scared (nervous) when I first fire up a rebuild....always listening for that horrible sound to ocurr...often for the first 500 miles or so...but I never get it. From your message, everything sounds great. Congrats on a job well done! |
| Gene Simmons Rules! -- John C, 08/20/2004
Gene, thanks for the quick reply on the spark plugs for my Edelbrock heads. You d man! |
| | RE: Gene Simmons Rules! -- gene simmons, 08/20/2004
thanks!! |
| anyone have FE dyno results to post? -- blinker, 08/20/2004
Like to see the spectrum covered, curious about that 352/360 hp Also, something that confuses me about the FE is they are referred to as rugged, tough, etc, then you see where writers say it can't take much abuse. Whats the truth? |
| | RE: anyone have FE dyno results to post? -- giacamo, 08/22/2004
most fe,s are very depenabol i,v sean many fe go the 200000 mile mark and most 390,s with 10 to 10.5 camed up a littel make 350 horse power easy,i bilt a390 for a 58 tbird 265 comp cam package 4v pistones early fe heads and intake 650 holly that dyno,ed at 365 horse power.this is the only engin i bilt that was ever dyno,ed. i,v also sean ft moters witch are the fe cousin in trucks with over 400000 miles steal runing.most of the fe work i do today is basic rebilds on pickuptruck fe moters and the older fe heads wich i belive is the only weak spot on the fe the gas nowadays shure eroads the hell out of the exaust seats and the one pice spring retainers should be tosed but outher than that the fe in i,ts stock form is very depenabel. |
| | Too embarrased to post n/m -- bubba, 08/23/2004
Lol |
| c-6 clutch flight -- 390 ranger, 08/20/2004
I am thinking of running a clutch flight c-6 in my ranger anyone ever run one with a c-6. should i install the ford wide ratio kit, wright performance rearends is selling them as a special order item. They have a websight. I want to run on street. but the truck needs a 4000 stall at track i think this would be the best of both worlds. any input appreciated. |
| | winters performance rearends not wright. sorry n\m -- 390 ranger, 08/20/2004
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| Best spark plugs for Edelbrock Performer Heads? -- John C, 08/19/2004
Gents, Anyone have any suggestions on a good plug type for my 390 fe? I'll be using Edelbrock Performer heads. I'm building it to the specs. that was receiently published in Hot Rod, Jan. 2004 issue. |
| Dan gurney 390 -- justone, 08/19/2004
i purchased a 67 dan gurney basket case 390 w/a 3 speed manual trans "s" code is it worth much is this a legit car? I dont even want to say how much I paid. |
| | this is a cougar right? -- dennie, 08/19/2004
ought to be a desireable car, i know the 69 gurney/ cale cyclone cars are sought after. |
| | S code Cougars are fun.... -- Royce P, 08/19/2004
There was a Dan Gurney Special sales promotion in 1967. It amounted to a free set of hubcaps and a sticker in the passenger side window. It adds nothing to the value of the car. Something like 20% of 1967 Cougars were sold with this promotional package applied at either the dealer or factory.
The 390GT engine was available seperately or as part of the GT performance option package. Either way the big block doubles the value of your car in unrestored condition.
Royce |
| dual quad intake -- Mustangman, 08/18/2004
I was given a FE dual quad intake and am having trouble identifing it. There is no casting # anywhere on it. Aluminum -looks to be med or high rise-individual bores for the carbs-bores are 1.71" and ports are 1.25X1.90. Can anyone help? Thanks John |
| | RE: dual quad intake -- Mustangman, 08/18/2004
I forgot to put in that it has the Ford logo on it though "FoMoCo" In a square on the top. |
| | RE: dual quad intake -- Mustangman, 08/19/2004
Believe me-My wife and I have looked over every square inch of that manifold and the only markings are the firing order on the #5 runner and the "FoMoCo" between #2 and #3 runner. No date stamp--No nothing. It seems to have the same deminsions as No. C5AZ-9424G which is listed as a 1967 427 Med Riser. If I could see a picture of a Med Riser it would be a big help. Thanks |
| automatic choke problem -- Brett, 08/18/2004
The only way I can get my choke to close all the way is to turn the fast idle screw all the way out, and then (obviously) I have no fast idle. The arm the fast idle screw is on the pretty difficult to push back by hand, so I don't know how the plastic idle cam could possibly do this. What should I adjust? This is a professionally rebuilt Holley 4150 on a 68 GT 390 mustang.
Thanks in advance |
| | RE: automatic choke problem -- bubba, 08/23/2004
The choke horn rod is inncorrect. Sounds like they mistakenly put a manual one on which is too short. |
| | | RE: automatic choke problem -- bubba, 08/25/2004
Its a cheap and simple fix. Dont be confused nor intimidated by the mindless babbiling from the HawkNoRod because "technically" they probably have that rod in 2 different colors and by his standards only the gold one would fit. |
| | | brett, the choke linkage does not "push back" -- hawkrod, 08/26/2004
the fast idle screw does not get pushed back by the choke, the choke sets when you step on the gas which opens the throttle blades and that pulls back the fast idle screw arm which allows the choke cam to drop into place. the choke should not close all of the way but should just come short of closing (about 1/8 inch or so). hawkrod |
| | | | Cockrod is off base again. -- bubba, 08/26/2004
Once again he is jerking himself off. Theory is a complete waste of time. Do what I said and finish your project. |
| | | | Thank you for your involvement stanley -- hawkrod, 08/26/2004
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| | | | | RE: Thank you for your involvement stanley -- bubba, 08/26/2004
No more b/s with you dude! I remember stanley from a couple of years ago in the other forum-but I am not him. Get off my ass and we will be fine. You are a very smart Fe type guru (and thats a compliment), I respect your advise and wont try to squash it. Give me a break. |
| | | | | | uh, yeah, right -- hawkrod, 08/26/2004
Like you can be trusted. My response in this thread did not involve you and yet you decided to make a vulgar personal attack. I simply explained how the choke linkage worked so that he would not break it while trying to fix it. Your response was uncalled for and innapropriate. I think we will call you Junior instead of bubba okay stanley? LOL (You really are an idiot you know?). hawkrod |
| | | | | | | Big Thanks Hawkrod -- Brett, 08/31/2004
I was about ready to take it off and send it back to pony carbs. You just saved my a lot time and trouble and now I know how the choke works :) |
| | | | | | | | Whats the answer? -- junior mints, 09/13/2004
So in the big picture what did you do to finish your project? |
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