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 |  428CJ info -- larry, 12/08/2000
i was looking at a 69 torina 428cj was wondering if anybody has any info on this car how many made what the value it's in fair condition it also has a cobra emblem on the lower front fender the emblem is just a square with cobra written inside thanks for any info i'm relying on the owners honesty so i thought i'de get some unbiased info |
|  | Value depends on condition & options - more info? [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/08/2000
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| | By the way, most 428 Fairlanes end up as engine donors :-( [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/10/2000
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|  | RE: 428CJ info -- Sean Palmer, 12/10/2000
I have a price book here and found a few things for you on value I hope they help you out a lil bit... The max value for a 2 door Hard Top Cobra Torino is 15,000 dollars and you said this ones in fair condition it is going to be between 3000-6000 and if its a Fastback then its between 3200-6400 and a max of 16,000 dollars. Good luck on this and talk to you later
Sean |
 | Gessford Machine shop -- Brandin, 12/07/2000
After visiting several machine shops for advice on the 390 in my '64 T-Bird, I decided to go by the Gessford machine shop in Hastings, NE, and was amazed at the FE support that they still have. There are more than a few 427's, 428's and all FE related parts there. After speaking with the owner, Gessford will without a doubt be the only machine shop I will use from now on. They have an extremely knowledgeable staff, and strongly support the FE. They are actively involved in SCCA racing, running a Shelby Cobra with a stout 427. I would easily recommend them for any FE build-up or engine work. They have a very good website, and a lot of parts available on-line. Just thought I'd pass the word....
http://gessford.com/cobraparts/enter.htm
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| | Great shop for sure !!! n/m -- P, 12/07/2000
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| | Yes, great shop. I just dealt with George... -- Will, 12/10/2000
great guy, very knowledgeable, great website. I wonder if he would open a shop in San Antonio. |
|  | RE: Gessford Machine shop -- "Hutch the Clutch", 12/10/2000
Note this problem I had when rebuilding my 63 390...Started up first crank with total rebuild and a new Edelbrok 390 Performer intake and Comp Cams 268 cam. Smoked like hell, so I figured there must be an intake leak; had to run it smoking for 30 min. at 2000 RPM!! (By the way, this is my first FE). Re-torqued intake and it still smoked. Put new gaskets and silicone-sealed them and it still smoked! Put stock 4bbl. intake on it and it still smoked. Pulled the pcv valve and plugged it and it still smoked. (All this time I was asking questions from Ford afficionados.) I was about ready to cry, thinking I must have broken every ring on every piston, and thinking I would have to go through the whole thing again. I decided that it was too much oil entering the heads and restricted the flow with a partial rubber plug that I made. It stopped smoking!! Took myself back down to where I had my heads rebuilt and told them the valve stem seals weren't as good as they thought. Well, we got to talking and they called around and found out something that no one had thought of. They told me to mount my rocker shafts UPSIDE DOWN, where the oil holes pointed toward the head instead of the valve cover. I did this, took the oil restrictor plugs out that I made, and the darn thing hasn't smoked since!!
So guys, beware! Never rebuild and FE and leave the upper valvetrain alone. It was so worn out that there was too much room for oil to spew out after cleaning the gunk out of the shafts, and it filled the heads up with oil past the valve guides!
Let me know if any of you have ever had THIS problem before!
Hutch the Clutch |
| | | RE:No match for Superior Automotive Machine and Ra -- Stanley Superior, 12/14/2000
Superior Automotive Machine and Racing can build you a custom engine that will outpower and outlast anyone else's effort. But sorry,I dont (wont) do FE's! If you need a romping,stomping Windsor,come see me! THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING. |
| | | Hasn't happened to me, but I've seen 2 or 3 posts -- Will, 12/14/2000
This hasn't happened to me, but I've seen 2 or 3 posts on the various FE forums with this problem. I think it would happen with new shafts.
The correct way to install the shafts is with the holes toward the head, not the valve cover. That's because that's where the pressure/friction is. If you put the holes toward the valve cover, you'll get a lot of oil loss plus no oil where you need it. There's already too much oil going to the rocker shafts on an FE. If you install the shafts upside down, you'll quickly fill up the valve covers with oil, and a fair amount will go down the valve guides. |
| 427 block photos (for the archives) -- P, 12/07/2000
I'm not a big fan of e-bay, because it seems like the prices are always jacked way up over where they should otherwise be.
However, e-bay presently has some great (very large) photographs of the 427 block. I've copied em here in smaller format so I could get all 4 in on one post. If you want to see the details in more clarity, go to this web page.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=517972198
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| Photo attempt (FE C7JE heads) -- P, 12/06/2000
Don't know if this will work or not, but I'm going to try to post a photo of my 427 (marine) cylinder heads. These came off a 300-HP 427 marine engine. I think they are similar to "truck heads" but am certainly interested in any info anyone can share. I'm assuming they are generally "generic" as they are low compression rather than high performance.
thx P
(if there is a way to post a pic here, please let me know!)
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| | All fixed. When posting, look below msg. box for image utility [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/06/2000
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| | RE: Photo attempt (FE C7JE heads) -- Stanley Superior, 12/07/2000
Looks very similar to a C4AE casting. |
| | RE: Photo attempt (FE C7JE heads) -- RC Moser, 12/07/2000
Great Photo, to me looks like a 427 low riser style. about 75 CC heads. What's the last letter code? |
| is it 427? -- Renniford A., 12/06/2000
i just got a fe motor from a bulk sale on an estate. i think its a 427,but not sure-bore size is measures 4.250" and heads says C7OE-6090-K,its all take apart right now,but i have all the parts. is it a 427? can it make 500 horsepower? i want to make it a race motor. |
| | RE: is it 427? -- Greg B, 12/06/2000
C7OE-K show as 67 427 Tunnel Port Heads |
| | | Early NASCAR Tunnelports made about 575HP@6800RPM. -- Dave Shoe, 12/07/2000
Tunnelports are wild race motors, and to detune them for the street means they won't be running in the range they were designed. Because their powerband is in the higher RPM registers, you will find they don't run as efficiently at street speeds as, say, a 428CJ. Still, if it's built properly, you can make one hell of a street screamer out of it, just so long as you understand it's needs.
Shoe.
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| | | | RE: Early NASCAR Tunnelports made about 575HP@6800RPM. -- Paul Drinkall, 12/07/2000
> Tunnelports are wild race motors, and to detune them for the street means
> they won't be running in the range they were designed. Because their powerband
> is in the higher RPM registers, you will find they don't run as efficiently
> at street speeds as, say, a 428CJ. Still, if it's built properly, you
> can make one hell of a street screamer out of it, just so long as you understand
> it's needs.
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> Shoe.
>
I used to have a T.P. Igot it from Hollman & Moody in 1968. At that time it was quoted at 620 h.p. with the spideg dual quads. Mine had the dual plane quads and was usable on the street. What a find! |
| | RE: is it 427? -- Brian, 12/06/2000
Yes it is a 427 .020 over bored and your head castinga are tunnel ports It is quite capable of 500 hp nice find and good luck |
| | | Some people have all the luck! n/m -- P, 12/07/2000
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| Rocker Assesmbly -- Morgan, 12/05/2000
who makes ends stands rocker shafts for the FE motors besides Ford Power Parts . And what is the cost. I see that Shelby is making the whole assembly along with roller rockers. They are beautiful, but expensive and more than I really need. |
| | RE: Rocker Assesmbly -- John, 12/05/2000
DOVE Engineering makes an assembly they say is better than the FPP system...well, I seem to remember they say that. DOVE is listed in any KIT CAR magazine as a supplier of FE engines and parts. I have some info from them somewhere. If you would like, I can scan this info and send it to you with their phone number. Let me know at carol.martin@ns.sympatico.ca
FPP end stands are exceptionally well made...but I suspect you don't want to wait until 2015 to get them, even if you order now!!!!!!!!...c'mon Ron Miller...make a statement please!!!!!!!! |
| | RE: Rocker Assesmbly -- Stanley Superior, 12/05/2000
Yes I ordered new parts from FPP,way back in 1994 or 95,and I never heard a word from them since! Did they lose the order? Did they sweep it under the rug? Or did they simply say my motor wasnt wort their good parts? I dont know. Either way,theres always alot of "loss" around FE engines and parts. FPP is a great place to plunk down that $2000 for a used up,blown up,sleeved,cracked,repaired,windowed,overmachined 427 bare block. But what about new parts? I hope everyone can get what they need. Good luck to all. |
| | | RE: Rocker Assesmbly -- Brian, 12/06/2000
I have used the dove rockers in many fe engine. With no problems easy set-up and they stay put or tight. This is ONE thing they got right. The shelby assy. looks to be as good as it gets.But for the $ difference I'd run doves |
| | | Re: s. S. -- TrueFordMan, 12/07/2000
Go away SS, you two-faced peice of $#!+ |
| | RE: Rocker Assesmbly -- Will, 12/06/2000
If I had it to do over again, I'd probably go with the FPP assembly. I have the Shelby parts, and they are very nice, but I think the FPP's are cheaper.
The Dove assembly is $690. You can buy parts seperately, but I'm not sure that I would. Maybe it'd be okay if you bought the parts and took them to a machine shop to make sure everything fit. For the record, the prices are as follows from Dove:
Chrome Moly shafts (2) - $145
End Stand Kit - $160
Center Stand - $15 each
Spacers (6) - $30
Stud Kit - $45 (I bought these direct from ARP)
Head Bolt Kit - $40 (I think these are required for end stands)
Sorry for the ambiguity. I copied this out of the Dove catalog. |
| | Check out http://www.fordpowertrain.com/endstand.h -- Will, 12/06/2000
http://www.fordpowertrain.com/endstand.htm
This looks just like the Shelby end stands. That is, the end stands don't bolt to special head bolts. Instead there's a U-bracket that goes under the rocker arm to support the end-stand. I don't know which is stronger, but I'm sure the FPA/Shelby design is plenty strong enough. |
| | | RE: Thanks for all the info -- Morgan, 12/06/2000
The information everybody offered was quite helpful. Will, it would be great if the people at that site had a phone number to call,
not the best business people. I am think I will be going with DOVE, just because they have been around longer. I am little worried about getting taken.
Thanks again
Morgan |
| | | | Fpa# = 253 848-9503 -- Will, 12/06/2000
I don't know much about them, 'cept that they make those tri-y headers that fit so well.
I think all the roller assemblies for FE's are great as long as you have the important parts (moly shafts, end stands, roller tips). If you've got all that, it should be a simple matter of choosing the company you like the most. |
| Which FMX parts fit in an FE Cruise-O-Matic FX? -- Ed Jenkins, 12/05/2000
What if any parts from an FMX will fit in a Cruise-O-Matic FX ? Will the FMX valve body fit? If no FMX parts will fit where should I look to get parts for one from?
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| | RE: Which FMX parts fit in an FE Cruise-O-Matic FX? -- Travis Miller, 12/05/2000
When I wanted a higher stall converter for my 61 390 3x2 backed by a Cruise-o-matic, I had to change the front pump to a FMX pump. I used a small block FMX converter but had to use an adapter ring in the crankshaft hole to make up the size difference. All this came info and adapter ring came from Jim Paquet Transmissions (JPT) in Michigan. 517-663-0578 |
| I'll be watching you all closely! -- Stanley Superior, 12/05/2000
Gotta keep my eye on things ya know! Dont want anything to get out of hand. A forum like this one is just the right place for many good things to happen! This is a superior way of thinking,as opposed to the inferior way that has been expressed elsewhare. I'll be watching you closely,so be good! Remember,Santa wont deliver to boys and girls that are naughty. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING. |
| | Something you all should know about this guy Stan -- P, 12/05/2000
He is overtly anti FE, and he is a troll hiding here with bad intent.
Here is a post he left on one of the other FE Forums, and this is probably one of the least infalmatory, but it does establish his intent. It speaks for itself.
"Warning to all FE'ers
by Stanley Superior
Dont be going back and posting stuff on the spent pages. I dont like it! I can make things better on this forum if everyone will do as I say and stay calm. Its better to switch than resist. If you dont like the things you read on this forum,then get out,I dont need you here. Most FE'ers discust me,so an arguement is inevetible. I can only make it good if we all agree on things. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING
Posted on Dec 4, 2000, 11:43 PM"
Because he has been so overtly obnoxious on two of the other FE boards, and has already been blocked from one of them, I feel compelled to advise you FE guys here, to let you know who you are dealing with.
If I didn't have respect for all true FE guys and gals, and this forum, I wouldn't have taken the time to post this message.
Regards, P
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| | | Thanks P! -- T1M, 12/05/2000
are we a little attention starved or what Stan? |
| | | RE: Something you all should know about this guy Stan -- Mike McK., 12/05/2000
To view Stanley’s antics please go to the site address below.
I usually don’t respond to this kind of Childlessness but enough is enough!
I vote for a unilateral banishment from all sites that have the ability.
http://network54.com/Forum/21142
Sorry that we need to waste space on this.
Mike.
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| | | | I totally AGREE with you Mike -- P, 12/05/2000
The reason I posted the initial message in this thread is to save all of you guys time and aggravation. I am calling it like I see it, this guy is a waste of time and he already HAS been banned from one of the other FE sites. This guy is a flamer and he get's his kicks from posting trash. The sooner you all recognize it here, the better off this forum will be, and it is very good now, indeed.
Respectfully, P |
| | | I'm keeping an open mind. Meanwhile, everyone stay frosty - Ok? [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/05/2000
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| | | | RE: I'm keeping an open mind. Meanwhile, everyone stay frosty - Ok? [n/m] -- Stanley Superior, 12/05/2000
In my defense,I say that I am not anti-FE. I have been misunderstood by a select few that want to set up forums where info cannot be shared by all. That is a shame,as we all need to comunnicate to each other about our favorite hobby. There are some people that post a bunch of untrue non-sense,and sign my name to it. I dont like it anymore than the next guy,but what can I do about it? How do you tell who is the real Stanley,when everybody is posting negetive things and signing Stanley Superior to it? This is a good forum here,if you try to close it off to "members only",you'll turn away alot of folks who are just discovering the wonders of the FE engine,and its great racing heritage. Hail the mighty FE,and all the people that love it. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING. |
| | | | RE: I'm keeping an open mind. Meanwhile, everyone stay frosty - Ok? [n/m] -- mcj67, 12/05/2000
I am curious to see how you handle this recent inconvenience Mr. F , I have a fealing this won't last long, I hope so.I enjoy all the FE Forms , and I know we will all still be here long after this has past. good day. Mike Jones |
| | | | | Identifying the bad guys -- Orin, 12/06/2000
I strongl suspect Mr. F has the resources to keep "Stanley" in check. Does the phrase "Internet Protocol" ring a bell? |
| | | | update -- P, 12/06/2000
Hello Mr. F,
I am the guy who posted the note about troll Stanley Superior. He has just now, today, been banned from the other FE Forum known as "the old forum". He forced us to change the format over there, and we now have a "log in" deal that will identify everyone, etc.
Last night Stanley posted about ten pages of bs on the board, with the stated intent to kill the forum. God only knows why he has chosen us to do this to, and he has frequently boasted about the 351 engine being superior, etc, etc.
The other day when I saw him starting in on your forum, like a bad computer virus, I just had to send in my note to you. I did not want to start anything over at your forum, however, I could not bear to see your fine forum poisioned by this fellow.
I tried to send this via email but it didn't work. I didn't want to make this a "public issue" on your forum. Thank you again for the great info you have provided, I have looked at every single engine page you have and I can say for myself and may others, there are people out there (like me) who have a LOT of THANKS to people like you who promote information flow and share this kind of information.
No more posts will be sent about this, I have done my duty.
Thank you sir,
Respectfully, P |
| | | | | RE: update -- Stanley Superior, 12/06/2000
Dear Mr.F,I am Stanley-the real one(there are other fake Stanleys out there),you will hear about all these alleged posts that I have made on other forums. Arent these forums for the purpose of sharing information back and forth? Yet when I post anything,this guy "P"starts whining about how Im ruining the FE forums and so on,and so on. Am I not as welcome to this forum as the next guy? I sincerly hope you do not let this guy "P" dictate YOUR judgement ,and make this forum as biased as the other two forums are. I also hope that the 1st amendment will protect me from people like "P",and his cohorts. I am not here to put down anyone,just to try to help. Have I ever posted anything wrong on this forum? I say,keep your eye on "P",instead of me. I am also keeping an eye on things,too. Mr.F,you have been keeping the peace on this forum for awhile,and you're doing a good job of it! Please dont let "P" ruin it for everyone else. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING. |
| | | | | | Everyone's had a say. Get back to FEs, guys. NO MORE baiting. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/06/2000
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| J&W and Paquet Racing -- Brian, 12/04/2000
Anybody have any contact info for J&W or Paquet Racing? Thanks. |
| | RE: J&W and Paquet Racing -- Brian, 12/04/2000
Ray Paquett Phone # 1-517-694-5758 |
| 390 with oil in the coolant -- Daryl Braun, 12/04/2000
I have a 390 engine with the C7MEA code ,It has the 390 Gt heads and I have bolted on a edelbrock performer rpm intake.
My problem is that I am getting motor oil into my coolant system no coolant comes into the oil.The engine performs reasonably well.I have a melling high volume oil pump installed.I purchased this engine freshly rebuilt by a reputable machine shop.I have pulled the heads but can't really tell .One side (drivers side) had much more sludge in the coolant passages than the other.I am running a 4 spd so it's not transmission oil
leaking over.Any ideas? |
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