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 | 360/390 ignition timing and carb setting -- Al, 11/30/2000
I cant get my FE set right. Its a 360 or a 390 ( im not sure witch one) and I believe the ignition timing is good but the carb is messing me up . the engine doesent burn oil so I know the carb is off( the smoke is always blueish white by the way) |
|  | RE: 360/390 ignition timing and carb setting -- RC Moser, 12/01/2000
Al, need more information. Block, intake, heads #Vin numbers? What year car/truck? Two or four barrel carb.? What have you done? What was replaced? When did the problem start? Usually the timing sets around 6 to 8 degree @ 700 RPM, dwell around 24. If you have beaker points the gap could be off, should be set about .015 gap which will give you about a 24 dwell. As for the carb. settings, does the engine miss and shoot the black smoke out during warm up or all the time? Usually the choke will cause a rich mixture if the air horn gap is not right during engine warm-up, but after say 5 to 7 mins the choke should kick off and not be a factor. Also, a vacuum leak could be a problem. Just need some more information and I sure others will respond. RC |
|  | RE: 360/390 ignition timing and carb setting -- BILL, 12/01/2000
360 or 390 it sounds like its burning antifreeze. light blue or white smoke. carb flooding would be black smoke !! is it useing antifreeze??. |
 | 360 or 390 ? -- Al, 11/30/2000
I have a 69 F-100 Ranger and i dont know what FE engine it has. The VIN# and the air cleaner say its a 360, but the valve cover says its a 390. Is thare any way to tell by looking at the outside of the engine? |
|  | RE: 360 or 390 ? -- RC Moser, 12/01/2000
No not really, only the bore 4.00 vs 4.05, I think the crank is the same as the 390, but can't remember or maybe I got it reversed. Block, head and intake Vin number should idenify it. Rangers usually came with 390's But, unless you know the history of the truck someone could of swapped the engine. FE stands for series engines, Examaple FE 332, 352, 360, 390, 410, 427, 428. Y-block 272, 292, 312. 385 series 351C, 400M, 429, 460. Winsor series 260, 289, 302, 351W, Well maybe that's mostly right, anyway right enough to get the picture. I won't get into the Ford engine Vs Ford Edsel debate. I sure you will get some more responses. RC |
| |  | RE: 360 or 390 ? -- David Dickson, 12/01/2000
There are no external differences between the 360 and the 390. Additionally, both have the exact same bore size. The only significant difference between the 360 and 390 is that the 390 has a different crank with slightly longer stroke, thus giving it the 30 extra cubes. The 390’s rods are a fraction shorter as well, but not materially. Best way to differentiate is to measure stroke from bottom to top with a spark plug removed and using a wooden dowel. Off the top of my head, I think the 390’s stroke is 3.78 inches (somebody correct me if I’m wrong). |
|  | RE: 360 or 390 ? -- John Wells Billmyer III, 12/05/2000
look on the heads were the spark plugs go into the combustion chambers there will be several numbers and letters also on the passenger side of the block usally on the front there will be some numbers and letters post a response to this message and give me the numbers I have several books that can tell me what the heads and block are and will tell you what the motor was from the factory. |
| |  | RE: 360 or 390 ? -- Al, 12/07/2000
above the front sparkplug on the passenger side were 3 letters D I F . I didnt see any numbers Its in 1969 Ford F-100 Ranger by the way |
 | FE C4 Bellhousing -- Brian, 11/29/2000
Does anybody besides JPT make C4 to FE bellhousings and are they front pump mount or case mount? Thanks. |
|  | Never heard of another vendor. Anyone else? [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/04/2000
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 | Understanding sonic test results -- Bob Zink, 11/29/2000
My sonic results showed the following for my 428CJ block - C7ME-A. Can this block be bored .030 over and be reliable? Or is it too thin? Any signs of core shift? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#5 170 170 172 181 181 186 169 164 167 91 89 88
#6 83 81 86 176 177 174 181 180 180 83 81 84
#7 87 87 88 170 170 171 175 170 168 92 81 87
#8 86 91 94 160 161 171 177 171 167 184 181 180
#1 167 176 179 161 161 163 167 161 163 93 86 88
#2 86 87 91 160 161 168 174 163 161 87 81 82
#3 81 81 86 160 170 171 173 175 170 89 89 89
#4 87 89 89 172 170 176 168 165 165 182 177 176
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|  | RE: Understanding sonic test results -- Ed Foral, 12/02/2000
Please list them again in a format indicating how far from the top of the bore and at what position, with 12:00 being the front of the engine, and the other positions then being 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00.
Ed |
 | Need info on FE Heads -- Ted Young, 11/29/2000
I am interested in buying a good set of performance heads for my 390. I have been told the C8AE-H heads I have are crappy pollutin heads. What type of heads should I be looking for.The book I have, HIGH PERFORMANCE FORD ENGINE PARTS INTERCHANGE by George Reid, shows 428 cj and 390 GT heads as having the same port sizes at 2.34 x 1.34 intake, and 1.84 x 1.34 exhaust. This is why I am confused about FE heads. Can anyone help?
Thanks, Ted |
|  | RE: Need info on FE Heads -- Scott J., 11/29/2000
Look at the combustion chamber sizes. They should be listed too. I have a set of GT390 Heads and they are 14 bolt C8AE-H. I have a complete GT390 out of a galaxie and it has 8 bolt C8AE-H heads to. I have sold two sets of C8AE-H heads to people looking for them for performance engines. Yes there are better heads but some of us are on a budget. The GT390 motor in 1967 was rated at 330 from the factory with C8AE-H heads and exhaust manifolds. Good luck. Scott J. |
| |  | Thanks Scott -- Ted Young, 11/29/2000
Scott, I am on a budget too. If the heads really sucked than I would have been willing find a reasonably priced performance set. But if they are pretty good I will run them. Mine have 2 bolts per exhaust face and came off of a truck. Are all the versions of c8ae-h heads the same accept for exhaust bolt pattern? Can anyone offer porting tips for these heads?
Thanks, Ted Young |
|  | RE: Need info on FE Heads -- John Wells Billmyer III, 12/04/2000
yes the prots are the same but the valve sizes are different try looking at edelbrock 428 heads they are a good choice |
|  | RE: Need info on FE Heads -- John Wells Billmyer III, 12/05/2000
the ports for most FE's are the same the changes come in mainly valve sizes and the chamber size the bigger the chamber means ether low commpression or domed pistons or milling the heads and installing thinner head gaskets |
 | Help -- Paul, 11/29/2000
I am installing a new intake manifold and am in uncharted waters re-attaching the rocker/pushrod assembly. Does anyone know where I can get a Ford shop manual or owners manual for my 65' Galaxie xl convertible 352 2v? Any direction or advice is greatly welcomed. |
|  | I've got a 60 Fullsize shop manual for $30 -- Lou, 11/29/2000
I'll look and see if I have a extra 65 vehicle@snet.net |
 | Snake Valve Covers -- John Blair, 11/28/2000
Hi guys - making a quick foray over here from the 429 Mustang Forum with a question you might be able to help me with. A friend at work has a 428 CJ Mustang. He was wondering if the Snake valve covers (finned aluminum ones with the word "Cobra Jet" and a cobra snake on them) were a factory item or an aftermaket Ford item. Also, if they were a factory item, what years were they used and how were these ordered from the dealer on a new vehicle. Any info you have on this topic would be appreciated. Thanks. |
| ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3425&Reply=3417><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>They were Dealer Options. Aval. from '68-70 [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Stryder, <i>11/29/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>'n/m' </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=vG1pKMaqyV2y6301aKyltu8N0zbCTkKvzch_06o7SYnww5FJPtV8y82MHY1UlqQO7urzKilMYHwhlom9rY-8CcvpjZGBESYtoRT7no7e9ajVKsnuo4gqVz6IvG7o-gIZ0&t=637814653746327080) | They were Dealer Options. Aval. from '68-70 [n/m] -- Stryder, 11/29/2000
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| |  | Thanks! (n/m) -- John Blair, 11/29/2000
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|  | I've got you covered. (Was:RE:Valve Covers) -- Mr F, 11/30/2000
He was wondering if the Snake valve covers (finned aluminum ones with the word "Cobra Jet" and a cobra snake on them) were a factory item or an aftermaket Ford item.
Both, John. "Snake" covers came on some cars as standard equipment and many more purchased later at local dealerships. But it appears they were never offered as a separate, factory (RPO) option.
Also, if they were a factory item, what years were they used and how were these ordered from the dealer on a new vehicle.
As you might guess given their C9ZZ- p/n prefix, these trick covers first appeared during '69 production. And there's no doubt they were installed by the factory during 1969 and 1970, possibly more often in '70.
Their exact factory application, however, is unclear. Interestingly, promo artwork suggests they were to be included with Ram-air....I've seen no factory photo showing standard induction and "snake" covers on the same engine.
And this makes a certain amount of sense, vis-a-vis Ford's 1969 marketing terminology. For that year only, 428s with standard induction was marketed as the 428 Cobra. The addition of Ram-air made them 428 Cobra Jets.
Still, Ford's MPC makes no such distinction between applications. In every edition, they're listed as being correct for all 428CJs and SCJs, just like the plain aluminum covers. Change of plans? Maybe, but I can't be sure.
Hope this helps.
Mr F
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| |  | Thanks Mr. F! (n/m) -- John Blair, 11/30/2000
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 | rocker re-attachment -- Paul, 11/28/2000
What is the sequence and torque specs for re-attaching the rocker arm assembly and pushrods in my 65' 352. Also, do I rotate the engine to lower the valve lifters to reconnect the rocker arm and if so, what is the best method to rotate the crank? |
 | 5. 0 ?$?$?$?$?$?$?$?$?. -- Alan, 11/27/2000
how much is a 5.0 engine from the early 90's how mch would it be to install on a 1968?????? |
 | 390 S code 69 Mach 1 resto, have some FE q's -- Ted, 11/27/2000
I recently bought a 69 S code mustang Mach 1. When I bought the car it had a 351w in place of the original 390 s code. After doing some research and obtaining a history report on the car I decided I would like to restore the car, rather than go with my original plan of putting a 460 with CJ heads in the car. The change of plans was brought on due to the rarity of factory S code, shaker hood, 4 speed, posi rear 69 mustangs. I am unfamiliar with FE specifics and hope that I can have my questions answered here. I have an H code 390 2-v shortblock out of a 67 galaxie 500, C8AE-H heads, and a 66 C6AE 390 4v intake. Does the intake I have differ at all from the C9ZE 390 4v intake besides for the casting numbers? What types of cylinder heads (possible versions of 390 GT heads etc.) came originally on a 69 S code mustang. What casting numbers should appear on a correct 390 s code block for a 69 mustang? Are FE blocks coded to the VIN? What are the correct exhaust manifolds for this application? Where can I get a 390 shaker snorkle (believe it is Identical to 390/428 non shaker snorkle-?) and shaker bracket? How sufficinent are the parts I have in terms of originality? The build date of my car is 4/14/69 if that is important. Lastly, why did Ford drasticly de-tune the cam specs and carb size for the 69 390 hi po as compared to its 61-68 predacessors? Thanks for the help.
Ted Young |
|  | RE: 390 S code 69 Mach 1 resto, have some FE q's -- Will, 11/27/2000
I think you're making the right decision by replacing the 390. It is a lot more interesting than a 351W, and they're pretty strong and reliable if done right.
You're asking a lot of questions, so maybe it'd be better if you split them up. You may also try asking some Mustang websites. A lot of your questions gear towards restorations, whereas this forum leans more towards FE engineering.
You will have some problems since the 428 CJ Mach 1 was a lot more popular. There's a lack of information on the 390 Mach 1's.
The only question I can answer for you is a location for the shaker hoods. There are a couple of places that usually have them in stock. The only one to come to mind is Perogie. You can find them at http::/www.perogie.com. I also read somewhere that they reproduced the shaker in Australia. They did it in fiberglass. I haven't seen it, but you may want to consider it, if you can find it.
I've seen a couple 390 Mach 1's. They both had chrome "Powered By Ford" valve covers. That's about all I remember. It was a long time ago. |
|  | RE: 390 S code 69 Mach 1 resto, have some FE q's -- Ed Foral, 11/28/2000
C8AE-H heads would have come on your engine, but they would have been drilled for a 14 bolt pattern, and the "GT" style exhaust manifolds would have been bolted on. The C6 intake should have a large S cast into it. The C9 intake did not have this, and more resembled the early 390 intakes which the runner coming from the #1 cylinder dipped on its way to the carb, unlike the S cast intakes which rose more steadily.
Ed |
| |  | so the C6AE is a better intake then the C9ZE? -- Ted Young, 11/28/2000
So from a performance standpoint the c6 is a better intake?
Thanks a lot! Ted |
| | |  | RE: so the C6AE is a better intake then the C9ZE? -- Ed Foral, 11/28/2000
I have never seen either dyno or flow bench data on the two intakes, but there may be some advantage with the C6 intake. Either way, they are both inferior to a CJ, PI, Sidewinder, or most of the current aftermarket medium riser style intakes. The Edelbrock Performer resembles the C6 low riser intake, and it is a low RPM intake.
Ed |
|  | 1969's 390 is a "390IP" - search the archive for that term [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/28/2000
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