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 | HELP!.. FE intake crack -- Skeeter, 09/21/2000
I just found a crack in the threads for the distributor hold down of my aluminum intake. Is there anything I can do or am I really f@#$ed. The only good thing I can say about it is that its only cracked half-way down.
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|  | RE: HELP!.. FE intake crack -- Buck, 09/21/2000
Am I to assume that you prefer not to remove the intake for repair? Any decent welding shop will be able to repair this! |
|  | RE: HELP!.. FE intake crack -- Alan, 09/21/2000
You might get by putting a stud in place of the bolt and thread it all the way to bottom of the intake. |
 | What is the bypass from the waterpump for? -- Pat, 09/21/2000
I was asked why there is a hose between the waterpump and the intake manifold - I really couldn't answer for sure (I thought it may prevent cavitation in the waterpump?) so I thought I would ask the experts in this forum. I just know Dave Shoe will know. |
 | FE Engine Mounts, reminder =8^) -- COUGAR, 09/20/2000
You asked me to remind you.
I need '67 & '68 FE Mustang/Cougar motor mount P/N's. I need both inner & outer P/N's.
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|  | RE: FE Engine Mounts, reminder =8^) -- Mikael Aalto, 09/28/2000
> You asked me to remind you. > > I need '67 & '68 FE Mustang/Cougar motor mount P/N's. I need both inner > & outer P/N's. > > COUGAR
Left: insulator assembly (to engine) C70Z-6038H intermediate supp. bracket (in between) -6029 support bracket (to body) -6030 Right: insulator ass. C70Z-6038G intermediate supp. bracket -6028 support bracket -6030
The basic part number should be ok, but the other numbers may differ in models.
Cheers, Mikael email: mikael.aalto@luukku.com |
 | 429 Engine questions -- Tom, 09/20/2000
Someone I know wants to trade me a 429 for some body work. He said it has been sitting on his mothers garage floor for some time and not really sure what it came out of. He thinks it was out of a Galaxy. Is there some way I can find out for sure that it is a 429 before I accept it in payment and is it worth the $200 that I am going to charge him? |
|  | RE: 429 Engine questions -- scott, 09/20/2000
Well if its not a 429 than its a 460 and thats better even. I assume that the engine has a 4v intake? can ya turn it with a breaker bar, thats important. Earlier motors are better, look for casting # of D3 or earlier, Ya know you might try the 429forum on this website also, (even though the FE guys are a more fun bunch. better lookin to) 385 series Ford big blocks in general fall into two catagories 1) spreadbore smog motors. 2) square bore motors with better heads. the real questin is would you rather have the 200 clams or a 700lb paperweight? |
| |  | RE: 429 Engine questions -- John Blair, 09/23/2000
> you might try the 429forum on this website also, (even though the FE guys > are a more fun bunch. better lookin too)
Well, maybe you're more fun, but you're *definitely* not better looking! See our group photo from our 429 Forum picnic below. ;-)
BTW...Tom - come see us if you have additional questions on that 429! |
| | |  | RE: 429 Engine questions -- John Blair, 09/23/2000
Group Photo
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| | | |  | RE: 429 Engine questions -- scott, 09/23/2000
yeah i know, we wanted to take pictures of the fe guys but couldnt get them out from under their cars. |
| | | | |  | RE: 429 Engine questions -- terry, 09/23/2000
Tom, The 429 motor your talkin about might be out of a 68 69 t-bird or 69 to74 merc marque Terry. |
| | | |  | Maynard G. Krebs lives ! -- Don V, 09/26/2000
To the sharp observer you will notice that the second picture from the left is in fact Maynard G. Krebs. Last seen under the hood of Dobie Gillis's hot rod imitating the sound of a hopped up engine, can't remember the type but I am thinking FE. Rumor has it he changed his name to Gilligan to avoid draft and crewed a sight seeing tour boat. He set sail for a three hour tour and was lost for five years only to return to a land where they didn't make FE's for Ford passenger cars anymore. So he had to settle for a 429 1971 Torino. I see he made it to the 429 Forum. You won't get any thing by the guys in the FE Forum, we are sharp.....very sharp |
| | | | |  | Sharp eyes, Don. Quoting Maynard, "Work !!?" ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 10/01/2000
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| | | |  | Very 'artsy', John. BTW: you guys ever heard of contact lenses? ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 10/02/2000
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 | Supercharging the 390 -- Ian Dobson, 09/19/2000
I've been toying with the idea of supercharging my 69 mustang, but I've been unable to find a supercharger or kit that will fit the 390 and require no ugly hood modifications, I want it all hidden I've looked at a few, I really like the Vortech one but they only seem to make stuff for fuel injected engines.
does anyone have any idea where I could start to look for information on a centrifugal supercharger that would fit under the hood? |
|  | So, fuel inject your 390 --- TBI kits are cheap -- FE428, 09/20/2000
Not the best EFI, but relatively cheap considering the multithousand investment you'll make buying the blower. Or go all out and convert your manifold to port injection.
Either injection path, you'll make installation of an underhood blower easier. |
|  | RE: Supercharging the 390 -- jeff, 09/20/2000
I have a 390 in a truck with the Shelby GT350 Paxton kit on it. I had to fab my brackets and crank pulley though. I have about 16000 miles on this set up. I did change the carb to a 650 double pumper and had to use anti-imploding floats to compensate for the pressure inside the "air box". There are a few other mods to the carb that need to be made also, contact Paxton and talk to them about it, they were helpful to me! 1-888-9-PAXTON |
|  | DeStroking? -- COUGAR, 09/20/2000
I have a magazine with a blown 390 in a '69 Cougar. The guy destroked it with a 352 crank (3.5" stroke). That kept the CR from going through the room. Also, he was using a roots, not a centrifugal supercharger. The shorter stroke should build RPM faster that the longer 390 crank.
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 | 4300 or 4100 -- Jeff Leckemby, 09/19/2000
Greetings Ford lovers!
I have a nearly restored 1967 Galaxie 500 with a 390 power plant. The auto has a 4 Brrl carb. I have seen 1967 Galaxies with 4100 carbs and some with 4300 carbs! This web site indicates the 4100 was used... which is.
All replies with coments regarding this question are welcome. |
 | pent-a-roof valve covers -- bob wilson, 09/18/2000
i searching for a set of pentaroof vavle covers for a fe motor, there for a fe fairlane project im putting together,non breather or i guess non emissions type covers,i have seen the tony branda ones repro's and they seem to be be too thin and i need to know if there are other repops out there that are better and or maybe one of you guys have a set that would sell and i can get them rechromed, has anyone used the branda's covers with no problems, thanxs bob |
|  | RE: pent-a-roof valve covers -- kevin, 09/18/2000
I bought a pair of polished aluminum pentroof repro's with breathers that I like alot. bought them at a swap meet, not sure who makes them. |
|  | RE: pent-a-roof valve covers -- Jim Raymond, 09/22/2000
Bob,
Either Obsolete Ford or Mac's has them, I was looking at them about a year ago for a 427, I think the price was 99.95 or so. I have the page at home but I won't be back home til Sunday. Have no idea of the quality.
Jim |
 | what heads do I have -- Chris Gomez, 09/18/2000
somone gave me a 390 which has C7AE-A heads. I have read in a previous forum that these are 390, 428,and early GT 500 heads, but that was it. I also read that someone else had these heads, but they had 16 exhaust manifold bolt holes. Mine only have 8. I have a 67 Cougar GT and I have had header sealing problems because of not enough bolt holes,and two holes did not line up. If these are good heads, can I drill and tap the rest of the holes so I can use all of the header flange holes? Should I use the C7AE-A heads or use the stock 67 390 heads? (I have not looked at the casting numbers on the stock engine yet.) |
|  | RE: what heads do I have -- Dave Shoe, 09/18/2000
They are 1967-only heads that came on many 390, 428, and possibly 428PI(& Shelby GT500) motors. They have the medium sized (about 72cc or so)combustion chamber. Common production alternatives are C6AE-R (big runner, high-exit, good power heads) and C6AE-U (nothing special).
C7AE-A are a full-emissions head (small runners), not a performance head, but you can make some OK power with them. Thermactor ports may (Calif) or may not (49 States) be drilled.
The other person you refer to probably had 14-bolt exhausts in his heads because they were from a Fairlane/Mustang 390. The two center-bottom bosses were not drilled in these cars.
Only the 428CJ/SCJ got the 16-bolt pattern (definitely a different head), which is not compatible with the 14-bolt pattern. You've obviously noticed the upper-outer two bolts in the 14-bolt pattern are relocated slightly below the normal location. This was not one of Fords better ideas. Holes in 16-bolt heads are all normally placed.
You did not mention the type of headers you have, but I assume you have a port-mismatch problem between those emissions heads and the headers which is causing an improper gasket crush (leaks) and poor performance (the port mismatch).
Most FE headers are designed only for the high-exit heads common to all 1965-earlier heads (pre-emissions), and only a few emissions-era heads such as C6AE-R and C8OE-N. Your exhausr port exits the heads 5/16" lower than the earlier heads, meaning the weld bead is not being crushed into the gasket along the bottom of the port.
Either you need to fit FPA headers with the low-flange to your heads, or you need to get a large port head like the C6AE-R or 1965-earlier head. Note the 1965-earlier heads can ONLY fit the 8-bolt exhausts (Galaxie or pickup only), because the 16-bolt bosses were added to all FE heads starting at the beginning of 1966 (Fairlane/Mustang compatibility).
When using headers you MUST use the manufacturers header gaskets, not the gaskets that come in the rebuild kits. Header manufacturers use a gasket which closely fits the port, allowing good weld-bead crush, thus good sealing -AS LONG AS YOU USE THE RIGHT HEADS. Also, make sure you get the correct "raised exit" or "low exit" gaskets to match your head and header.
Hooker, Hedman, and most other header manufacturers ONLY make headers and gaskets for the high-exit heads. FPA (fordpowertrain.com) makes Tri-Y headers and gaskets for both types of FE exhaust ports - you need to specify when you buy.
Yes, it's a crime that most header manufacturers don't mention this problem, but they sell more headers if they don't have to actually FIT the motor properly.
Note that the most common small runner, low-exit FE heads are C6AE-U, C7AE-A, C8AE-H, and D2TE-AA. You can drill these heads for the 16-bolt pattern, but be sure to drill no deeper than the lower bolt holes to avoid hitting coolant.
Good luck.
Shoe. |
 | FE engine id -- Ed, 09/18/2000
Picked up a 69 Torino GT fastback Q car - previous owner told me he thought the engine was replaced by the fellow he purchased it from with a 390 many years ago - Checked both L/H and R/H sides of block and cannot locate any casting #,s or marks other than a large X cast on the L/H side of near the rear of the block. The heads are also void of any casting numbers in the usual spot - Short of pulling a head and checking the bore diameter any info would be appreciated.
Thanks, Ed |
| ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2811&Reply=2792><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>Block's ID casting is behind alternator. [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>09/19/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=vG1pKMaqyV2y6301aKyltu8N0zbCTkKvzch_06o7SYnww5FJPtV8y82MHY1UlqQO7urzKilMYHwhlom9rY-8CcvpjZGBESYtoRT7no7e9ajVKsnuo4gqVz6IvG7o-gIZ0&t=637814653746327080) | Block's ID casting is behind alternator. [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/19/2000
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|  | RE: FE engine id -- James, 09/23/2000
A friend has a 59 Galaxie. He gave me the engine #3-93QL. He was told this is a 352. Can you verify or point me in the direction to find out?
thanks |
| |  | RE: FE engine id -- gordon, 09/24/2000
pull a spark plug out and measure the stroke and then check to see what conforms to it gordon |
| | ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2865&Reply=2792><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>Not with that #. Check R/H block for cast ID [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>09/24/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobq0gFNxbOjgd7TeV-LysSEekJ7Gmtc2x9RMYHtS9EW5yU7wHEIWgz1wWu2IMG322RtthXdkInI49gjJzA4laYxsFhGCZI8wW_xoN6HxVXe4-0&t=637814653746327080) | Not with that #. Check R/H block for cast ID [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/24/2000
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| | | ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2952&Reply=2792><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>RE: Not with that #. Check R/H block for cast ID [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>M Jones, <i>10/04/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I ran into one like this at a salvage yard in washington DC. could not find any numbers anywhere on the block not behind the starter, or by the oil filter housing, right side left side nothing anywhere. The yard owner swore it was a 390, further investigation found it was a early 60's truck engine. numbers on intake will tell about the intake more than anything I would never use that info only to try to ID an engine, like others have said take out the spark plug and measher the stroke that will narrow it down,to be sure take off head and measher the bore and the two together will tell you for sure. </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobq0gFNxbOjgd7TeV-LysSEekJ7Gmtc2x9RMYHtS9EW5yU7wHEIWgz1wWu2IMG322RtthXdkInI49gjJzA4laYxsFhGCZI8wW_xoN6HxVXe4-0&t=637814653746327080) | RE: Not with that #. Check R/H block for cast ID [n/m] -- M Jones, 10/04/2000
I ran into one like this at a salvage yard in washington DC. could not find any numbers anywhere on the block not behind the starter, or by the oil filter housing, right side left side nothing anywhere. The yard owner swore it was a 390, further investigation found it was a early 60's truck engine. numbers on intake will tell about the intake more than anything I would never use that info only to try to ID an engine, like others have said take out the spark plug and measher the stroke that will narrow it down,to be sure take off head and measher the bore and the two together will tell you for sure. |
| | | | ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2953&Reply=2792><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>Look for "105" cast (maybe backward) on FT blocks [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>10/04/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobq0gFNxbOjgd7TeV-LysSEekJ7Gmtc2x9RMYHtS9EW5yU7wHEIWgz1wWu2IMG322RtthXdkInI49gjJzA4laYxsFhGCZI8wW_xoN6HxVXe4-0&t=637814653746327080) | Look for "105" cast (maybe backward) on FT blocks [n/m] -- Mr F, 10/04/2000
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| | | | |  | RE: Look for "105" cast (maybe backward) on FT blocks [n/m] -- Paul H. Kaminen, 10/24/2000
Backwarwds "105" castings are used on 72-76 360 - 390/91 trucks D2TE - D4TE casting#'s. Usually F-250 on up. Beware of the 330 cid engine, small bore. other 105 blocks can be safely bored to 4.13 and with oiling mods make an excellent 406/428. |
|  | RE: FE engine id -- Trent Phillips, 10/06/2000
It's my understanding that some race blocks were simply cast with an X. |
 | What is it...FE -- NEWBIE, 09/18/2000
Sorry this may seem like a stupid question but: What is an FE engine???? How do they differ from other SBF's???? What does "FE" mean?? Hey i'm new. but i'm learning quick!!!!!!! |
|  | RE: What is it...FE -- martin edridge, 09/18/2000
Where to begin...... To start, the FE is not a small block, regardless of cid. Rockers are shaft mounted and intake manifold forms part of the heads, so that pushrods pass through holes in the intake. FE predates the small block and came with a variety of cylinder head types, including the famous SOHC. There is virtually no interchange with other Ford V8 engines (428 CJ valvesprings fit 429/460!) and I believe FE stands for Foundry and Engine but I am sure there are differing opinions on that one! HTH Cheers, Martin. |
| |  | RE: What is it...FE -- john, 09/18/2000
FE= Ford Engine FT= Ford Truck |
|  | Fuel Eater -- T1M, 09/18/2000
everyone knows it stands for F**CKING ENOrMOUS! ;-) |
| |  | Actually, the 'new' & 'improved' 4.6's are bigger. -- Toivo, 09/18/2000
In actual external dimensions.
If you wanted to transplant a new 5.4l into an old 'stang, you start by removing the shock towers and putting in a new front suspension.
What a joke. $6 billion to design an engine that is bigger, then Steeda uses Ford's own foundry and small-block Windsor block and without too much trouble, chops off 8" in length. How bad has the Ford engineering department become since winning actually meant something in the '60's? Ever since they went to the team (everyone doesn't win) approach, they have made one bad decision after another. It's only the Ford bean-counters who have bailed them out by making business cases for buying companies like Jaguar and Aston-Martin where the winning spirit hasn't been crushed by corporate conformity. |
| | |  | RE: Actually, the 'new' & 'improved' 4.6's are bigger. -- Mark Lamport, 09/19/2000
4.6's are not bigger, I have both. And I have seen a 4.6 put in an old Galaxie. There is more extra room in the engine compartment then most modern cars trunks after the transplant.
1999 Crown Vic 4.6 1967 Galaxie 390ci |
| | | |  | With or without all the topend dress? -- Toivo, 09/19/2000
compare a fully dressed 5.4l to a 429. It's at least a foot taller and just as wide, valvecover to valvecover as the FE. |
|  | What FE really stands for -- Alan C., 09/18/2000
The term FE stands for Ford/Edsel. It came out in Ford and Edsel passenger cars starting in 1958. |
| |  | RE: What FE really stands for -- Travis Miller, 09/18/2000
I had always heard that since FE is the chemical symbol for iron, Ford called their iron block "FE". |
| | |  | RE: What FE really stands for -- Alan C., 09/18/2000
I've heard that also, however when the medium/heavy duty engines are called an FT for Ford/Truck, the Ford/Edsel abbreviation makes more sense. But this just my opinion. |
| | | |  | Ferrari Eater! -- kevin, 09/18/2000
Remember Lemans? LOL |
| | | | |  | RE: Ferrari Eater! -- Alan C., 09/18/2000
Unforunately Ford didn't do much at LeMans in 58'! |
|  | RE: What is it...FE -- john h, 09/19/2000
ive heard tons of different names made for the FE family of engines. but you have to sit back and think of when these engines where made.these families of engines where originally developed for the average working guy. lots of low end torch and of course being back in the day there weren't at lot of alloys and composites. most engines in the day were mainly consisting of iron. thus the FE or Fe standing for iron. no matter what the name is we all know that this is one of the baddest mother of engines that fords ever developed for the mainstream public. well there's my 2 cents. |
| |  | One more thought -- Alan C., 09/19/2000
The 430 and 462 type engine of the same era were called a MEL engine, Short for Mercury/Edsel/Lincoln. |
|  | Goofy Guys RE: What is it...FE -- Ed Foral, 09/21/2000
Jeepers!! A guy asks a serious question and he gets some answers that look like they came from a Chevy forum..... :)
Newbie.... Click on the "engines" tab at the top of the main FE forum page, choose an engine in the FE series, and you will find the engine foundry group FE listed as Ford/Edsel. If someone has a different personal opinion on the acronym, just provide some period Ford literature supporting your position, and we can discuss it in the forum.
Ed
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