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| Engine ID -- Jerry, 08/17/2004
Can someone get me started identifying the engine in my 1966 GTA Fairlane. I know it's not the original S-Code and I'm pretty sure it is a mixture of parts.
C7ME-A (engine block casting) 8C19 (engine block date code) C6AER (head casting) C7AE9425-F (intake casting, aluminum)
Thanks for any help! |
| | RE: Engine ID -- salid, 08/20/2004
C7ME-A is probably a 428 PI or CJ
8C19 might be a little early for a CJ, so I might lean toward the block being a PI
C6AER could be found on just about anything from 66 or 67, real good heads, some came with injector holes drilled, some without, put in the CJ sized valves and it is every bit as good as CJ
C7AE-F is the PI intake for the 428
put this all together and you might presume you have a 428 PI engine. When you take it apart, you'll probably be able to guess if it has been apart before. Look for things like gaskets and Ford stamp on the bearing. Check the bore and the crank. To confirm that it is a 428 block, look for the 428 cast into the water jacket and the letters on the back of the block. Then try Shoe's drill bit test to see if the cylnder walls were thick enough to have been a 428.
All of this because it could just be a group of parts or it could be an as built engine. Ford part numbers do not always mean what we think they mean, and even when they do, you could find just about any FE in any car or any combination of FE parts on any FE. You can't stop the production line, and whatever fits might get used. According to SAAC, some Shelby GT-500 owners actually got 390s. You really can't tell from the outside and nobody was the wiser until they took your engine apart and said "Hey, what are these little pistions and crank doing in my 428?"
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| | | C7ME-A blocks -- Royce, 08/20/2004
Found in 352 pickups, any 390, any 410 or 428. In short anything except a 427. Measure the bore and stroke.
Royce |
| | | | RE: Oops - C7ME-A blocks -- salid, 08/23/2004
Jerry, Royce is right about the block. It looks like I spelled "possibly" wrong, in fact it looks almost exactly like "probably". All of the subsequent discussion about measuring and checking was to help you get a better idea of what the block was actually cast as. You can bore just about any 390 block to 4.13, but they may be too thin to last. In fact, you just might hit water, especially with a rusted 30 year old block. The problem with any block you don’t know the history on is that it could be just about anything (with the exception of the 427s, as Royce noted).
By the way, both Royce and I forgot to say “sonic check”. Even if it does have the 428 in the water jacket and the C on the back of the block and passes Shoe’s drill bit test, have it sonic checked before you bore it. In fact, it would be good peace of mind even if you don’t need to bore it. |
| OT, Boss 429 come out on top -- blinker, 08/17/2004
Anyone see the Two Guys Garage MuscleCar shootout 1 hr special? They pitted supposedly all stock cars, (exception being on the braking tests, all were treated to new brakes). The famed LS/6 Shovelle, Hurst 455 Olds, Hemi Challenger,(and thats all it was)Buick Stage1 convert, GTO judge, and a AMX. They tested0-60, 1/4 mile, braking, slalom, and the burnout test. Well the Boss won the burnout, 0-60, and 1/4. Suprising, given the huge bore and short stroke of the Boss. They mentioned that the Boss don't have that great of a reputation,I wonder if that had to do with peoples expectations, maybe they were hoping for a mid 12 car? Ford did choke it down quite a bit. Anyways, I was glad a to a see a Ford on top, in a showroom trim shootout. |
| | RE: OT, Boss 429 come out on top -- sam jones, 08/18/2004
yes i saw it. it was great i own a 1970 boss 302 and i now that the boss 9s were not the fasests things around i really thought the ls6 would beat it. that hemi was a piece of %hit I wish they woukd have done some older cars like a 1962 421sd or a 1961 galaxie with a 390hipo or 63 with a 427 |
| 410 in ranger -- jo smith, 08/17/2004
I have a 1990 ford ranger in very good condition. but the engine is shot so i have a 410 setting on a engine stand. i would like to know if any one has done this before if so please help. |
| 2287P 030 pistons What ARE They? -- Paul R, 08/16/2004
I just pulled the heads off a 68 428 CJ & they have 2287P 030 stamped on them. Obbviosly 30 over but I cant find them in a TRW or federal mogel catalog. Looks like a TRW#. Any ideas? (cast or forged, comression height, dish cc etc.) Thanks. |
| "Cobra Jet" parts -- JoeZ, 08/16/2004
Is it "fair" to characterize (advertize) the following part numbers (casting/stamping numbers) as "Cobra Jet" parts? : Cast iron intake, C8OE-9425-C, date code 8J9 Cylinder head(s), C8OE-6090-N, date code 1178(?) Exhaust manifold (L), C8OE-9931-B, date code 22 17 69 Carburetor (Holley), C9AF-9510-U Thanks in advance. |
| 67 Mustang -- Bill, 08/15/2004
I have a 67 Mustang with a straight 6 200 motor. I want to beef it up by installing a 302. Will my current 8 in rear end handle the new horse power? If not what are my options? What about transmissions?
Thanks
Bill |
| | RE: 67 Mustang -- giacamo, 08/15/2004
i,d try to find a v8 parts car and start stealing every thing off of it...... |
| | RE: 67 Mustang -- McQ, 08/15/2004
The 8" will work fine with a mild 302. Shouldn't have any problems there. Trans wise you should use a 289/302 transmission, i.e., 3 speed stick top loader, 4 speed top loader or the common small block C4.
It seems strange to be typing numbers like 302, 289 and C4....although there are more folks backing their FE's with C4's. Thanks to all those mid sixties Canadian Mail Trucks or were they Milk Trucks or Mystic Trucks? I'll keep my eyes open for one them Canadian Special Trucks with an Fe & C4.
Hey Bill if you're not satisfied with this answer you might try the small block forum. There is one isn't there? I never go there. |
| 390GT- 850Holley d/pumper to big ? -- JP Fourie, 08/15/2004
I pulled the original 429 SC/J motor from my '71 mustang ( it's in need of a rebuild) , and swapped the 390gt in . It's from a '65/66 Galaxy 4-door , w/FMX auto . The stock 750d/p autolite is shot , and the only carb i have laying around is the Holley 850d/p from the 429 . Any suggestions on jetting ect ? or should I just fork out for a new 650 ? . How much Nitrous can I feed the old nag , without blowing it up ? Besides looking like crap , ( the one valve cover got a hole rusted thu it !!) , it stil runs good , and , after all , is THE V8 of the '60's ! Come to think of it , my dad used to race a '61 Starliner with a 390 in it ! thanks , JP Fourie Oudtshoorn South Africa |
| Honest 500 HP with 10.1 428? -- Paul R, 08/15/2004
Id like to build a 428 for my 67 fairlane wagon that would have 10.1 compression but would push this 3900 pound car with me in it to 11.50 to 11.30 ets at 115 to 118 mph trap speeds. Car will have tremec tko 600 trans & 4.30 to 4.56 gear. Now the hard part. Id like to be able to drive this car on 5 to 8 hundred mile round trips to shows. I have cobra jet heads, block, crank, rods & a tunnel wedge setup at my disposal. Fuel economy of no concern. Is this an attainable goal? Car has 427 glass hood also. |
| solid vs.hydraulic cam -- Barry McLarty, 08/15/2004
Comp cams lists their Magnum series 305h as a pro-street cam with 585 lift,butthe solid 306s cam has the same description with651 lift.Can the 305h attain the same hp level with such a differential in lift?With which cam will equal FE"S make the most power?To further muddy the waters,Comp lists them as having almost the same rpm range.The lift diff.continues down through the whole list off FE cams.Just want to know why.Thanks |
| | RE: solid vs.hydraulic cam -- giacamo, 08/15/2004
the comp cams solid cams as any solid cam set up have a more agresive profile to the lift and close of the valve wich makes the engin more responsive, then the hydraulic cams the hydraulic setup is my first choice for the streat i use a 270 solid cam in my cyclone for racing i almost used the 305 hydraulic but my experance felt the 270s to be a better choice for a 390 setup, i,v sean many large cam set ups flop on thear face be couse of thear narow bower band and type of auto weight gears tranesmissions ect, not maching,horse power figurers are great but wen selecting a cam i try to make the engin as responceive and rev quicklie even if the horse power figure is lower.i love comp cams thear fe, cams work as avertized but remember bigger douse not alwayes mean better or more horse power........... |
| | RE: solid vs.hydraulic cam -- McQ, 08/15/2004
I've thought about this part of your question Barry, "With which cam will equal FE's make the most power?"
On that question I'll offer my .02:
As for flat tappet cams I believe a solid lifter cam will provide the most power overall. There have, obviously, been great strides made in hydraulic cams over the last couple of decades. I just have personally never been very satisfied with the hydraulic performance cams I ran in my 428 CJ. I did only run four hydraulics but it was the one solid lifter cam that I was most pleased with. And it was rather mild, something in the mid 230's duration @ .050. It idled very well in the CJ and it provided a broad power range to 6,200 easily.
Now I was impressed with that comparison test that Mustang & FORDS did between the 428 and the 427W. That was an Edelbrock RPM. That cam gets a lot of negative comments here it seems. I've never run one but my mind is open about the RPM.
Also consider this, with the exception of the CJ, the only really hot performing FE's were factory equipped with....that's right, solid lifters. Okay, the early '58 was a dog but that cam was not a performance grind. It started with the '60HP, through the 390HP, 406, 427, Police app FE's through '66. Now I just thought about the '68 427-390 horse FE. It was a tremendous performer but there weren't too many that got out there except to the rare(and fortunate) Cougar GTE 427 buyers.
Solid lifters and FE's go well together! |
| Engine/ Trans Spacer Plate in 58 T bird -- Paul R, 08/14/2004
Does anyone know for sure if a plate was factory installed on 58 (or 59 or 60 for that matter) Thunderbirds between the engine & automatic transmission? My 58 did not have one when I bought it, but it did have the lower shield. I was told it should be there so I installed one from a 67 428 thunderbird. Now my original lower shield does not fit. Are 58 plates different from 67s or no plate is used? I've been looking at sqare birds at car shows & most of the ones i've seen DO NOT have plates! Any ideas? |
| | RE: Engine/ Trans Spacer Plate in 58 T bird -- Tony P., 08/14/2004
Spacer plates were not used on the early FEs just a lower inspection plate on the bottom side. Assuming you have all OE components, if you have one in there and it's not supposed to be, your torque converter is not fully seating in the tranny pump and the starter drive throw is now misaligned . Get it out of there. I believe the spacers started showing up about 65 when the new style starter was put in the FE, not too sure |
| | | RE: Engine/ Trans Spacer Plate in 58 T bird -- Paul R, 08/14/2004
Thanks Tony. I've put about 1000 miles on the car with the plate in there with no adverse effects, but I will remove it just so I can use my original inspection plate. |
| | | | RE: Engine/ Trans Spacer Plate in 58 T bird -- Tony P., 08/14/2004
Yeah, the ones you do see with the plate most likely have been converted to a C6. |
| | RE: Engine/ Trans Spacer Plate in 58 T bird -- giacamo, 08/15/2004
the newer plates wer used for the new styal starters for alinement of the starter. the older starters that drew the drive towards the starter did not have the plat betwean the engin and trans,i,v sean them both ways work go figure? |
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