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 | 390GT horsepower ratings -- Bo Fabre, 06/14/2001
Does anyone know the reasons for all the different hp ratings on 390 GT motors? I've seen 66 Fairlane GT at 335hp, 67 Mustang Gt at 320, and 68 Mustang Gt at 325. Whats up with that ? Are these pretty close to actual output, or overrated? |
|  | RE: 390GT horsepower ratings -- Paul M, 06/14/2001
My guess is the ratings are at the flywheel, and the differences are because of stricter emissions, making changes in head design, as well as different cams and possible changes in intakes as well will change the HP ratings.
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|  | You can try the 'Engines' button (above) for more info. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/14/2001
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 | 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- Steve Boulay, 06/14/2001
My 428...'67 Shelby runs well but "pings" under heavy load. I've set the timing conservatively(I think.....12 deg. initial) and added enough lead additive (LS 130) to bring the octane level to somewhere between 98-100. The timing (according to a vacuum gauge) is "late" and the engine runs better at idle if I push it farther ahead, but of course, the "ping" gets worse under acceleration. I'd like to run more initial timing to improve power brake booster signal, but not until I get this sorted out. I'm wondering if the centrifugal advance curve in the distributor is accessive, or if something else is amiss. I'm not sure, but I think the engine is nearly original (comp. ratio,...cam etc....) I've also adjusted the vacuum advance to limit that part of the curve, I could pull that back more if it would help. Any insights from the experts will be appreciated..........Also, is there a "reasonably" easy way to accurately verify whether or not the timing ring on the damper has slipped? What effect would a stretched timing chain have on this symptom? Thanx, SGB |
| ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6849&Reply=6848><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>Vacuum advance? What distributor's on there? [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>06/14/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=vG1pKMaqyV2y6301aKyltkMMNlohm_gSe0Yb6DeErka5EGNEqZBzX4ILUIrZAIq36sbSWTk9QS8eizTuTALUIWsNuJ0yB8gh0Mu6oo6ZZjY6PZicajmOuK8ZoIHXTZh50&t=637814653746327080) | Vacuum advance? What distributor's on there? [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/14/2001
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| | ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6850&Reply=6848><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>RE: Vacuum advance? What distributor's on there? [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Steve Boulay, <i>06/14/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Not sure. Looks like an original Ford piece......... I gather it wasn't supposed to have a vacuum advance canister,....right?<br> sgb </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobnIqmhtzkDyEIo6SWWJSeSuj06UJMWAuuPkKooKj7KSFxViq1U4IBtqdCJuWZPog6gQf_jpX7iWua47wJG8gohjuqUYrBpcQ8NNyzLv4WRkN0&t=637814653746327080) | RE: Vacuum advance? What distributor's on there? [n/m] -- Steve Boulay, 06/14/2001
Not sure. Looks like an original Ford piece......... I gather it wasn't supposed to have a vacuum advance canister,....right? sgb |
|  | RE: 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- BOB HOPKINS, 06/15/2001
There is part number on side of dist. post that number ,should be able to tellwhat dist. was installed into and what dist. curve is. Mr " F" 428 came with duel point mec. dist. I was under impression only 427" and hI-PO 289" came with that style. |
| | ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6876&Reply=6848><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>Not surprisingly, GT500 was unique in having 428 w/ dual point. [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>06/15/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m</blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=vG1pKMaqyV2y6301aKyltkMMNlohm_gSe0Yb6DeErka5EGNEqZBzX4ILUIrZAIq36sbSWTk9QS8eizTuTALUIWsNuJ0yB8gh0Mu6oo6ZZjY6PZicajmOuK8ZoIHXTZh50&t=637814653746327080) | Not surprisingly, GT500 was unique in having 428 w/ dual point. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/15/2001
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| | | ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6879&Reply=6848><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>RE: Not surprisingly, GT500 was unique - a 428PI w/ dual point. [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>BOB HOPKINS, <i>06/15/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I remember goming home from my Uncle Sam's flight club in 67 and going by Yates Stevens Ford in St Louis and looking at them {the salesman slaped me for drooling on them} as a recentdischarged A1C out of my pricerange,come to think they still are. I was thinking what was it $4100.00 is a lot of money for a car HA HA </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobnIqmhtzkDyEIo6SWWJSeSuj06UJMWAuuPkKooKj7KSFxViq1U4IBtqdCJuWZPog6gQf_jpX7iWua47wJG8gohjuqUYrBpcQ8NNyzLv4WRkN0&t=637814653746327080) | RE: Not surprisingly, GT500 was unique - a 428PI w/ dual point. [n/m] -- BOB HOPKINS, 06/15/2001
I remember goming home from my Uncle Sam's flight club in 67 and going by Yates Stevens Ford in St Louis and looking at them {the salesman slaped me for drooling on them} as a recentdischarged A1C out of my pricerange,come to think they still are. I was thinking what was it $4100.00 is a lot of money for a car HA HA |
| | | |  | RE: Not surprisingly, GT500 was unique.... [n/m] -- Kevin Marti, 06/18/2001
They didn't sell a lot of them. Was it dark blue metallic?
Kevin Marti www.martiauto.com

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| |  | RE: 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- Steve Boulay, 06/15/2001
Exactly where is the number on the distributor? Is it on a tag?, on the housing body? does the dist. have to be removed from the engine in oder to see the number? I don't know what the dist came from, but it's a single point (converted to Pertronix) with a single diaphram vacuum advance...... I didn't see numbers, but maybe I looked in the wrong places...... Let me know..... Thx, SGB |
| | |  | RE: 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- BOB HOPKINS, 06/15/2001
It' s on body of dist right below the top edge that cap sits on, yes you will prob have to remove it to read the part number,or a mirror a good light ,good eyes |
|  | RE: 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- Will, 06/15/2001
I'm running 18-20 degrees initial with 38-40 total all in by 3800 (I think). I have vacuum advance hooked up to the front carb. It's a 428 with a 67 Shelby intake and 2 Holley 600's.
I had the same problems you have until I got a new distributor from Faron R. He did a great job on the curve, but I bet you could do the same job locally.
I can get the exact specs if you like.
Bottom line is, my engine runs a LOT better at 18-20 initial. It barely runs at all at 10 degrees. With the advance curve limited to 16-18, I can run more initial w/out pinging under loads. I've been running 93 octane w/out octane booster. |
| |  | RE: 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- Steve Boulay, 06/19/2001
Sounds great, I'd really appreciate the spec's on the curve you're using. If you don't mind me asking, What was the cost of the distributor and the re-curve work? It might be more effective to start with a "known good" set up and parts than to unravel an unknown arangement pieces. thx, SGB |
|  | RE: 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- 32 valve, 06/16/2001
First off get rid of the octane booster as it just does not work as advertised (even the so called best)your engine is approx 10.8 to 1 so if you are running in a warm climate you simply need better gas for starters. Initial timing of 16 to 20 is quite common for your engine/car just using mechanical advance. Where is the vacuum line hooked up to on your dist? if you have 10-12 initial with mechanical & vacuum you are probably getting 50+ combined which is way to much. These engines like around 35to 40 total depending on a lot of other factors. Get a advanced degree timing light avail at sears for approx 49.00 then check total advance at approx 2500rpm (or increase engine speed until it quits advancing (thats with the vacuum advance hooked up. Then do the same with vacuum advance disconnected. from there you can figure your initial,mechanical advance and your vacuum advance. All ford distributors have an adjustable mechanical advance by taking off small snapring (under rotor & felt if there)also taking off the breaker plate. this will expose the mechanical side of dist. the advance figures will be stamped on top, just see what is being used then to change it simply lift it up after taking springs off then rotating it 180deg. Most of the time with a 18-20 initial and adding mechanical its enough for the engine just do not use the vacuum part of it. |
|  | RE: 428 Shelby Engine "pings" -- Rick Croom, 06/26/2001
Before you spend much $$. Have your coil tested. I just went through something simular with my FE powered Pick-up. Even after a new Dist. The ping was still there. When I looked at the coil it was cracked and leaking fluid. new coil fixed the problem. |
 | FE Starters -- John Saxon, 06/14/2001
I have a 64 427 that I used a 66 390 GT bellhousing to put a 4-speed behind it. I used the late style starter but the problem is I used the original 64 flywheel.Does anyone know of a part# for a bendix for a late starter that is more compatible with the early flywheel.The combination I have works right now but the starter really labors and sounds terrible.I've got the starter off right now I'm installing long cast iron manifolds so it makes changing starters a real chore so if I can resolve this now it would be ideal.Preferably changing flywheels would be a last resort(If there is a bendix that would work better.)Any information would be apreciated.Shoe,Mr F? |
|  | RE: FE Starters -- richard, 06/15/2001
if you are not concerned with originality, contact mean green industries in PA. they have gear drive starters that are smaller and more powerful than the factory ones. i know i put one on my old F-250 with the 6.9 diesel engine and never had another starter problem again. |
|  | RE: eBay 428 CJ? -- Paul M, 06/14/2001
It is NOT a 428CJ. It MAY be a 428, with that block bored out, but without the CJ heads, intake, carb, etc, it's not a CJ.
Not to mention that in the engine bay, it wouldn't pass as a CJ, except for maybe performance wise with all the goodies in or on the block.
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|  | Rods look like plain-janes n/m -- Barry B, 06/14/2001
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 | identifing my 390 -- Jeremy Faulds, 06/13/2001
The engine (390 cid) which I intend to put into my '68 Mustang Fastback came out of a '67 Galaxy. I thought this would suffice until I decoded the engine code (from the intake manifold) and determined that it was a truck part. The # is as follows; C7TE 9425F... a 1967 truck engine in a Galaxy?? Was this common? How would this engine differ from the 390 designed for the Mustang aside from the intake only being a 2V?
thanks in advance. |
|  | RE: identifing my 390 -- Dave Shoe, 06/13/2001
In 1965-67, all light truck FE engines were 352s.
The 360-390 FE light truck engines were introduced in 1968.
FE Truck engines differ from FE car engines in that they have notably lower compression. The exception is 1971, when the last 390 car engine was apparently based on the low-compression FE truck engine that year.
I've heard of truck intakes being found on cars before, as they were basically identical castings. Also, about the only difference between a Galaxie and a Mustang engine of the same years is the way the head was drilled to fit the exhaust manifold. All the castings were the same, except where the unibody exhaust manifolds were required. Also, Fairlane/Mustang 390-4Vs in '66-68 got the hotter GT camshaft which also got different valve springs with compatible valves and retainers, but the heads castings were the same as any other FE.
JMO, Shoe. |
| |  | RE: identifing my 390 -- Jeremy Faulds, 06/14/2001
Fantastic info. Dave, So based in what I'm reading here, The engine will not fit in the Mustang because the heads will not acept the correct exhaust manifolds. What about headers on the Galaxy heads(with correct spring and valves), would that work in the mustang? Aside from that, the appropiate cam and intake , it should function like a mustang 390 GT engine should. Are the heads going to provide the correct compression ratio, or will I also need to upgrade the pistons? |
| | |  | RE: identifing my 390 -- wayne, 06/14/2001
Hooker makes supercomp's for the 390 in your mustang. I have them on my 69. But be warned it is a real bear tightening the header bolts. Also be warned on the gaskets as not all are correct for you application, I tried the copper ones and some from feltpro, neither worked. Only the Hooker ones seem to do the job. If you can find a PI intake, it is a ford product and works well. |
|  | RE: identifing my 390 -- Bryan McPherson, 06/19/2001
I went through the same thig with my 67 S-Code.I had no ides so much was different.The engine I used was also out of a Galaxie a 67 that.I purchased some 14 bolt heads out of Texas,exaust manifold from Florida and an S-Code intake from illinois.the engine mounts are different I needed a 24 inch radiator which I think the Galaxie radiator is the same.I am going to have some left over parts I have 2 more S-Code intakes some exhast manifolds and othr parts.It was a lot more expensive than i figured it woud beBut it gives me something to do. BKM |
| |  | RE: identifing my 390 -- jim sirois, 06/20/2001
From what i've heard and read, I think you can also put a 428 cam in that 390 to beef up the hp to 410. I think the truck motors ran 10.5:1 comp and 325 hp. I've got a '68 390 in my '64 f110 (f100 w/ a factory 4x4) . Click on the "Engines" button (above) and search for the 390 specs |
| | |  | RE: identifing my 390 -- Bryan McPherson, 06/20/2001
I put a 486-512 lift Elgin cam in my S-sode.Just a little more than stock and crower racing lifters.And new flat top pistons.Don't now how much it'll help but don't guess itll hurt. BKM |
 | FE balancers -- Jeff H., 06/13/2001
Where the 428SCJ balancers(C8AE-C) used on the late 427's also. If not does anyone know the balancer part number for a '68 hydraulic 427 assembly? |
|  | RE: FE balancers -- Royce Peterson, 06/13/2001
Dear Jeff, The balancer used on the 1968 427 Cougar GTE was P/N C8AZ-6316-B. It is 7 inches in diameter and has the casting identification C8AE-A. I purchased a brand new one from my local Ford dealer's parts department last year for $112.00. The same balancer was used on most 1968 390's as well.
The balancer you listed is 7 1/2 inches in diameter and was used on the 1969 and 1970 SCJ version of the 428 in Drag Pac equipped cars.
Royce Peterson 68 GTE 427 XR-7 (two of them) 68 1/2 XR-7 428 CJ Ram Air |
 | powersteering brackets...Mustang -- Shaune, 06/12/2001
Can i use powersteering pump brackets and pulleys from any FE to fit in my 67 Mustang, or do they have to be Mustang specific ?
Shaune |
|  | Most brackets are generic to engine type, but not pump/pulley. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/15/2001
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 | Shorty Headers -- Rob, 06/12/2001
hello,
I found a set of shorty headers for my 65 tbird with the 390, and C6... I have a problem with the headers that I can't stop thinking about. I'm afriad that if unbolted, the headers will throw too much heat on the tranny when drag racing.. Anyone have any problems with their shorty headers... If you don't, I'm probably gonna purchase a set. Their from FPA, and it would be a waste of $399 if they aren't good for what im going to do, and i don't have that money to just throw around right now... Any opinions and responses will be appreciated.. Thank you for your time and consideration.
Rob |
|  | RE: Shorty Headers -- Travis Miller, 06/12/2001
You do not want to open the headers where the pipes hook up. They are way to short to make good power at that point. A good rule of thumb is to open the pipes at a total of 38 inches from where the shortest runner on the header bolts to the head. This was the way we did it in the old pure stock days and it worked good. This system can be custom made at any muffler shop that will work with you. |
 | Suspect I found a 427 being sold as a 390. -- Rick Croom, 06/12/2001
I need the help of you experts. I answered an add today for a rebuilt 390 for $300. When I got there there was a freshly rebuilt FE (352 cast in the front of the block) sitting on wood blocks. The engine casting # is C4AE. The lifter galleries looked like they are plugged but not with the typical allen head screws. The heads also sport C4AE 6090F. The intake is an old single plane Aluminum Edelbrock that looks sort of like a Torker 2 down the business end. The lady's husband left her and she wants it out of the garage so she can park her volkswagon inside. Could someone tell me if my hunch is right? Thanks. |
|  | Where is it located? I'll go check it out for you. -- Paul M, 06/12/2001
Seriously though, C4AE (with no suffix on the block) shows in my book as a 64 top oiler 427, and also as 389/391 truck engine.
But with the heads, C4AE-F it shows High Riser.
So, the only question is, Why are you STILL sitting here reading this? :-) |
| |  | Thanks for your help -- Rick Croom, 06/13/2001
I think I'll be heading over there tomorrow to pick it up. That will be better for my "Street sleeper truck" than a 390 GT. How about the single plane intake. will that be o.k. for street use? |
| | |  | I don't know single-planes to well. -- Paul M, 06/14/2001
As far as the intake goes, I can't help you too much with single planes. I've always asssumed/heard they were for all out racing, so I've never delved into their design, or performance.
Sorry! Maybe someone else will pipe up, if not, repost it as a new message. |
| |  | RE: Where is it located? I'll go check it out for you. -- Rick Croom, 06/22/2001
Well I got it home and popped the pan. It is better than I expected. Its a solid lifter 64 390. Bored 30 over with TRW Flat tops, a 427 crank and rods. The intake is a Edlebrock Streetmaster single plane. I haven't checked the cam yet. The heads are in fact 64 390 heads cast the same day as the block. That is with out a dought the best $300 I've ever spent. |
|  | RE: Suspect I found a 427 being sold as a 390. -- Neppy, 06/13/2001
Even if it is a 390, not a 427, that's a pretty good price for a rebuilt engine. I'd say take it off her hands, you can resell it if it's not what you want. |
| |  | If its a 427 it will be crossed bolted {n/m} -- Lou, 06/13/2001
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