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 | Genesis 427 -- Rich, 05/28/2001
Has anyone heard of any updates on this engine block? |
 | triple carb setup for FE -- Linden Johnson, 05/28/2001
Hi Guys, I ran into an old buddy on the weekend who has a triple carb setup.........intake, 3 carbs, fuel log and linkage for an FE. The only thing missing is the draft tube. He is thinking of selling it as he needs some extra cash. My question is how much is it worth?? I told him I didn't know........so thought I'd go to the FE forum for advise. I told him to try ebay but he is apprehensive on that. Perhaps a decent offer from one of you guys will work? I don't know and don't want to turn this into an auction. |
| ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6545&Reply=6542><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>Dep. on condition, the common set-up goes for $500-$900. [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>05/28/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m</blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobnIqmhtzkDyEIo6SWWJSeSuj06UJMWAuuPkKooKj7KSFxViq1U4IBtqdCJuWZPog6gQf_jpX7iWua47wJG8gohjuqUYrBpcQ8NNyzLv4WRkN0&t=637814653746327080) | Dep. on condition, the common set-up goes for $500-$900. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/28/2001
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| |  | RE: Tri-power $ -- Mike McQuesten, 05/28/2001
There was a complete '62 406 tri power system recently offered here in Spokane, WA, in a "Wheels Deals" vehicle picture sales paper for $2,000. Again that was complete including the original air cleaner. If the carbs are correct, i.e., the right inner and the two right outers, all linkage, fuel log, air cleaner are present and the manifold itself is not chipped, cracked, rotted out, etc., these excellent systems should fetch $1,200 - $1,500. I don't know if the one offered for $2,000 sold. It's no longer in that paper though. Has anyone ever heard of Joe Bunetic? He rebuilt (literally remanufactured) my trio of Holleys, dyed the fuel log and all the linkage. He does beautiful work with care and knowledge. |
 | Headers for 1969 Mustang -- Ian Dobson, 05/28/2001
Well its come time to get new headers again, but i seem to be having a problem finding any that fit my car these days, Its got a 390 in it and the middle exhaust bolt holes are higher than the end ones.
If possible I'd like shortie style headers so I don't have to worry about ground clearance, but as I can only fine 1 set and they don't fit properly. anything will do :(
can anyone suggest a manufacturer that makes headers for the these beasts?
or worst case, how much horsepower can I expect to lose if I go with the cast iron exhaust manifolds ? |
|  | RE: Headers for 1969 Mustang -- Dave Shoe, 05/28/2001
The stock 390 unibody exhaust manifolds are bad for performance. As for difference in horsepwer: Expect your smile to go away. If you gotta use cast iron, you want to use CJ manifolds - they fit by redrilling the top manifold hole at the #8 cylinder, not possible when in the car.
As for headers, you've got one primary choice if you've got C6AE-J, C6AE-U, C7AE-A, or C8AE-H (you've got these) or D2TE-AA heads: FPA (fordpowertrain.com). They make a quality header which fits the "emissions era" exhaust runner and also offer great ground clearance.
If you've got C6AE-R heads (1966-67 only), 428CJ heads, Edelbrock heads, or '65-earlier heads, you've got some more choices, including Hooker (poor ground clearance) and FPA (the pre-emissions version of the header).
Headers awaken an FE - you don't want to go back to iron. I can't think of any shorty style headers, though I'm sure someone makes them.
JMO, Shoe. |
| |  | RE: c6ae-r heads -- bear, 05/28/2001
Shoe, i have a set of these and i can't find any mention of them in the fe books that i have what are they for and are the a good head to work with.
bear |
| | |  | C6AE-R kept the large "pre-emission era" runners. -- Dave Shoe, 05/28/2001
There is nothing really special about the C6AE-R head (or the 428CJ head for that matter), as it's simply a large runner head like ALL 1965-earlier FE heads. The unique thing about the C6AE-R (and the CJ head) is that it also has the new-for-1966 unibody (i.e.: Fairlane/Mustang) exhaust manifold bosses cast into it (which may or may not be drilled, depending on which bodystyle it went into). This makes the C6AE-R head a convenient head for attaching ehaust manifolds or headers to in unibody cars (well, convenient compared to 1965-earlier heads which all lacked the unibody bosses).
The 428CJ head is nothing more than a C6AE-R head which has had the valve throats dressed out with a cutter so it can fit CJ-sized valves. Yup - the 427LR and 428CJ heads are cast as 2.03/1.55 valved heads and CUT to fit the larger CJ valves. Making the C6AE-R head perform like a CJ head is a trivial matter.
C6AE-R heads are sorta plentiful, having been installed on (I'm guessing) 25% (maybe higher?) of all 1966-1967 FE-powered cars and pickup trucks. Ford didn't just stick them in performance FEs - they seem to have used them randomly in ANY FE, without any consideration of performance status. These heads are a convenient way to make high-RPMs in larger displacement (390 CID+) in unibodied cars. A much more readily available choice for Galaxie and pickup truck owners is to use any 1965-earlier FE head, as these all have CJ sized runners and only lack the unibody bosses. If available, the unibody bosses are very convenient to use wqith headers in Galaxies and trucks, but aren't quite as necessary due to the slightly higher amount of underhood space available.
Thermactor bosses are another new-for-1966 feature cast into all FE heads (except 427MR and 427TP), but I won't go into this. Also, the C6AE-R head has an AR (anti-reversion) lip cast into it's roof at the outermost 1/2" of the exhaust runner, but that feature is easy to remove. Note also that emissions era "small runner" heads are probably the BEST performance head for 352-360 FE engines, as they apparently offer a better designed runner, but don't seem to flow as much at the top RPMs in larger displacement engines (this info is unverified - JMO).
The C6AE-R disappeared with the second wave of emissions legislation in 1968. Only performance FEs got large runners (and the now-mandatory for performance "Thermactor") from this time on.
As for proper mention of these heads in any FE publication - there is none. Anywhere. We sorta discovered all this info in these FE forums. I wrote SuperFord two dozen times on the subject of FE heads about five years ago, but they ignored my stories and never responded.
Shoe. |
| | | |  | Thanks shoe -- bear, 05/29/2001
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 | ethanol -- T1M, 05/28/2001
I've been reading about ethanol. The article said that ethanol will erode certain rubber and plastics and that all engine components that come into contact with ethanol such as the engine block, piston rings, carbuerator have to be modified to accept it. Have any of you tried running your FE on ethanol? How did it work? And what changes did you have to make to the car to use it?
Thanks |
|  | RE: ethanol -- richard, 05/28/2001
ethanol will damage some rubber's and some plastic's but these are easily replaceable. every thing else is unchanged except the carb. you need to richen up the carb as you will run about 1.6 times more alcohol than gas.some of the things you will need to replace are 1: rubber fuel lines. there are alcohol resistant lines available. check with your local speed shop. 2: fuel filters with plastic housings and elements. there are good aftermarket units with sintered metal filters. just remember to keep them clean or else you will lose fuel flow more rapidly than usual. 3: the needle and seat in the carb. viton is not designed for alcohol. replace it with a steel needle and seat. they are available for most carbs. again check the local speed shop. 4: you can run a little more timing than with gas as alcohol burns colder than gas. as a side benefit it will be easier to pass emissions as the sensors do not read the exhaust gasses as again alcohol burns colder than gas.(tip here for you gas guys if you have to pass emissions and aare having trouble, run your tank down to 1/4 full and dump in about 5 gallons of alcohol then full the tank and drive to the emission station for testing. you should pass with flying colors.)
if you dont want to go through the hassle of rejeting your caarb, you can get one already done from barry grant and others. you might find starting the car on a cold morning harder than with gas, and you will need to run a fuel additive to prevent gas line freeze. also remember that alcohol is hydroscopic. that means is absorbes water. gas does not. just be aware of these items and you shhould have no problems. |
|  | RE: ethanol -- J. Robb, 05/29/2001
I live in an area with a 10% ethanol blend, and this is the story around here anyways. In general there isn't too much of a problem, except because of the oxygenates it take more fuel to produce the same power as "normal" gasoline. As far as eating rubber, there is a slight problem. The first problem is in your gas tank. If your tank is old, that alcohol will really start to clean it out, and all the rust sediment, etc will end up in your fuel filter. The second problem is that old fuel line and carburetor. If you have an old carburetor the alcohol will eat it up in no time, and you'll be rebuilding. I havn't heard of many repeat rebuilds due to the blended gas, but your carburetor will obviously need more frequent maintance. If you have a choice, get "normal gas" and stay away from the "specially blended for cleaner air" stuff. If nothing else, you'll get better gas milage, and every little bit helps. |
| |  | RE: ethanol -- richard, 05/30/2001
good point on the fuel filter and old tank. if you do switch, or have to switch, you need to stock up on fuel filters. get the metal one's and replace them on a regular basis. the plastic one's will be eaten by the alcohol, and the glass one's break to easily. |
 | suspension swap -- Al, 05/27/2001
Are the springs interchangable between a '69 F100 and a F250? If so what else would have to be swaped? And could it pull a full size 5th wheel sleeper trailer. The truck has a 360, 9in rear with 3.25 gears,and i would like stuff a Lentech AOD in it. |
|  | RE: suspension swap -- Lou, 05/28/2001
I beleve the springs are interchangeable, but measure them. This rig should be able to pull the trailer in question if it has a auto trans but not running in overdrive. |
| |  | RE: suspension swap -- richard, 05/28/2001
the springs are interchangeable, but my question is how much does the trailer that you want to pull weigh?? if it is less than 8000 lbs then you should have no problems. if more than keep an eye on the frame rails as you will cause more stress on the frame. the F-100 frame was not designed for the heaavier loads. just a word of caution. if you plan on towing very few times per year then you can go to the 10000 lbs mark. just remember that more than just the springs were upgraded. tires, wheels, axles, frame, transmission, cooling system, etc... all of these things need to be checked and upgraded for the heavy loads. might be better to find a good F-250 instead. |
| | |  | RE: suspension swap -- Paul, 05/28/2001
I agree with Richard on this. Having owned F100's most of my life, I know from experience what towing too much with a half ton can do. Upgrading the springs alone, you can add extra weight IN the bed, and tongue weight for the trailer. But, without the better axle, driveline, cooling system, etc, you're asking for trouble if you exceed that weight limit by much.
After two bent frames, one cracked frame, and one stretched frame, I gave up trying to upgrade the F100, and went to an F250 Camper Special package.
Granted, when I bought it, it needed alot of work, particularly on the suspension. But when everything was fixed, it worked like a charm, pulling a 40ft fifth wheel with ease. |
|  | RE: suspension swap -- Al, 05/29/2001
Thanks guys for all the info. Sounds like I should get an F 250-350 for 5th wheel haulin. My '69 is LWB and had a beffier spring optioned on from the factory but I believe a bigger truck is the way to go. Hey has any body heard any good things about the fuel injection setup for FE's from Speed Pro? |
![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6530&Reply=6530><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>od. for fe ? is there one? [nm].</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>gerald, <i>05/27/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote> </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=vG1pKMaqyV2y6301aKyltkMMNlohm_gSe0Yb6DeErka5EGNEqZBzX4ILUIrZAIq36sbSWTk9QS8eizTuTALUIWsNuJ0yB8gh0Mu6oo6ZZjY6PZicajmOuK8ZoIHXTZh50&t=637814653746327080) | od. for fe ? is there one? [nm]. -- gerald, 05/27/2001
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|  | There was from 58 to 64 {n/m} -- Lou, 05/28/2001
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|  | RE: Borg Warner T-85 O.D. -- Mike McQuesten, 05/28/2001
Yes. The Borg Warner T-85 Overdrive transmission was used by Ford as far back as 1949 in the big Lincolns. It was used throughout the fifties and sixties in heavy duty apps not only by Ford but by GM and Chrysler as well. It was offered as an option at least through '68 FE powered pick ups for sure. It's a very rugged transmission. Most high performance 352/390s of '60-'61 were optioned with this system. There were a few HPs built without the Overdrive. |
| |  | thanks guys.is there any autos to adp [nm] -- gerald, 05/28/2001
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| |  | RE: Borg Warner T-85 O.D. -- Steve Boulay, 05/30/2001
Would you happen to know of one of these trannys that's in salvagable/rebuildable condition? Any idea what the O.D. ratio was in the 60's? Is the size of this model trans. TOO BIG for use in an FE Mustang?? Any insight/info. will be helpful... thx, SGB |
|  | toploader 4spd o/d -- Alan Casida, 05/30/2001
I have a toploader 4spd that 4th is overdrive( about .73:1). I looks just like a standard toploader except there is no regular pad on the tail shaft for the shifter.It came out of a '79 F100 with a 302. I am planning on putting it in my 66 Galaxie With a 428. I currently have 4spd so it should not be too difficult a swap. I will have to make a bracket to mount my shifter though. |
|  | RE: od. for fe ? is there one? [nm]. -- John Sutton, 05/31/2001
Yes, and don't limit yourself to '64. I have a '66 F-100 with a T-85N Warner overdrive. The entire OD system is original, including solenoid, governor, relays and wiring harness. Warner made the T-85 and T-85N. The 85 is a plain 3 speed, and the 85N is the same 3-speed, but has the overdrive. The main gearbox is the same, but the N has a short ouput shaft (into the OD gearbox) rather than a long one. I'm told the OD gearbox can be used on the plain 85 if the OD output shaft is used. Finally, don't limit yourself to Fords. Warner sold the T-85N to Nash, Rambler, GM. Hudson and more. the only difference was in the wiring connectors, the wiring harness, kickdown/no kickdown switch, etc, and possibly the solenoid and governor. Warner made up the harnesses for the customer based upon their specs. I saw one in a '63 Chevy years ago, and wish I had snagged it as a spare. |
| ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6602&Reply=6530><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>RE: od. for fe ? is there one? [nm].</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>John Sutton, <i>05/31/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I neglected to mention that my T-85N is on the backside of a 2V 352, and has outlasted both the engine and the rear-end pumpkin. </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobnIqmhtzkDyEIo6SWWJSeSuj06UJMWAuuPkKooKj7KSFxViq1U4IBtqdCJuWZPog6gQf_jpX7iWua47wJG8gohjuqUYrBpcQ8NNyzLv4WRkN0&t=637814653746327080) | RE: od. for fe ? is there one? [nm]. -- John Sutton, 05/31/2001
I neglected to mention that my T-85N is on the backside of a 2V 352, and has outlasted both the engine and the rear-end pumpkin. |
| | ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6614&Reply=6530><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>RE: od. for fe ? is there one? [nm].</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Steve Boulay, <i>06/01/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>O.K.,......I'm a little confused. In one of the posts it sounds like we're talking about an automatic trans.....(ie. used in Lincolns etc.) and in some posts it sounds like we're talking about a manual trans (ie. like a top loader).... Which type is it?? Manual or auto? I was hoping for an auto w/od that mates to an FE block engine. ( hopefully that'll be able to be fitted into a mid-60's Mustang....... Any help will be appreciated.<br> thx.!<br> SGB </blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=5j1V7IJBhc-qdmzmrXlobnIqmhtzkDyEIo6SWWJSeSuj06UJMWAuuPkKooKj7KSFxViq1U4IBtqdCJuWZPog6gQf_jpX7iWua47wJG8gohjuqUYrBpcQ8NNyzLv4WRkN0&t=637814653746327080) | RE: od. for fe ? is there one? [nm]. -- Steve Boulay, 06/01/2001
O.K.,......I'm a little confused. In one of the posts it sounds like we're talking about an automatic trans.....(ie. used in Lincolns etc.) and in some posts it sounds like we're talking about a manual trans (ie. like a top loader).... Which type is it?? Manual or auto? I was hoping for an auto w/od that mates to an FE block engine. ( hopefully that'll be able to be fitted into a mid-60's Mustang....... Any help will be appreciated. thx.! SGB |
| | |  | Manual OD Trans -- John Sutton, 06/01/2001
Steve: I guess I also was confused! I don't know of any AOD trannys used in Fords prior to the mid-70's, but my knowledge is only anecdotal. All of my posts have referred to my '66 F-100, which has a manual 3-speed (Warner T-85N). It differs from the T-85, where instead of a long tail shaft in the T-85, there is an OD in its place. Perhaps I misunderstood the intent of the original post? |
| | |  | RE: od. for fe ? is there one? [nm]. -- WEM, 06/01/2001
Steve,
Try Lentech in Canada http://www.lentechautomatics.com - they sell a AOD for the FE (special bellhousing). Its expensive but it may be for you.
Later, Bill |
 | 428 build up -- A.M., 05/26/2001
Looking to rebuild a 1966 428 for my galaxie. The car will be a for mostly street driving. But I want to have a little reserve for those few moments for the need for speed. I'm thinking of using my Performer 390 intake with Edelbrocks Performer RPM FE 72cc heads,rest . I don't know if it has to be bored or not. Don't know what cam to go with, or carb to use. I'll be backing it with a C-6, and gears haven't been decided yet either. Any pointers on this. |
|  | RE: 428 build up -- Mike McQuesten, 05/27/2001
The E-brock Performer 390 is an excellent choice along with their 750 carb or an autolite 4100 - 1.12 - 600 CFM is great too. Check out that way long discussion on the 4100! I'm assuming your Galaxie is an automatic so make sure you get a carb with kickdown provision. Edelbrock sells this kit to go with their carbs. Since this Galaxie is mainly for street use you'll want a high torque cam for strong bottom end power, the Edelbrock performer is again a great choice. I personally still like the old smoothy C6OZ-6250B cam, which is the '66-'68 GT 390 and 428 CJ shaft. A good electronic ignition and FPA/Crites headers(Of course the '65-up Galaxie 427 exhaust manifolds are nice but they're bringing big bucks.) A stock '66 428 moved these cars nicely but the improvements you plan will really make some power. |
| |  | RE: 428 build up -- A.M., 05/27/2001
Mike, I checked my fomoco carb. It's a 1.08. Then I went searching for my books. Here's what I found! 4100 series 4v 1.08=480 1.12=600 4300 series 4v 1.00=441-470 1.25=600 4300-D 4v ALL are 715 cfm Then the tags from 62-67 were stamped FoMoCo 68-71 were stamped Autolite 72-73 were stamped Motorcraft This book I have is loaded with infor.,Tag numbers , trans type they worked with ,and cfm's If you want any more carb. infor. let me know what it is and maybe I can help you this time! |
| | |  | RE: 428 build up -- Mike McQuesten, 05/27/2001
Thanks A.M., interesting that your 428 carb(was it the original?) is a 1.08. I was thinking about something else you might consider camshaft wise for your 428 buildup. Both Crane and Competition cams are regrinding the 306 duration/500 lift solid lifter cam that was the mainstay for HP FEs from the 352 through the 427. This was also the cam that was used in the '66 428 Police Interceptor. It idles just a little rougher than the C60Z-B GT/CJ cam but still very streetable and smooth. Where the CJ hydraulic will idle smooth at 625/650 rpm, the C3AZ-AA idles well around 700-750 RPM. Of course with this cam you should have your hydraulic lifter oil passages blocked off which Ford Power Parts makes a very inexpensive kit for. Also you'll have to run adjustable 1.76 rockers which I like with the C6OZ-B too. You may as well buy the Crane/Comp cam kit that includes the solid lifters and correct valve springs. This cam will work fine with an automatic and stock torque convertor. Pulls very well from idle to 6,000RPM. Obviously, the FoMoCo engineers liked it a lot. There is a C4AE-B solid cam being ground by Wolverine but it's a bit too rough with an automatic. Great with a stick though. I ran this very cam from Wolverine in a 427 with a 4-speed and it's perfect for street/strip. The old Muscle Parts book says this cam is "definitely streetable" and I found it so with the stick. In my opinion, a mild solid lifter cam like the 306/500 is great for your '66 Galaxie. It has a business like idle but is smooth for the street. |
| | | |  | RE: 428 build up -- A.M., 05/27/2001
Mike, The motor was originally out of a 66 T-Bird. The carb. I believe is original (C6SF-A). I'm putting this motor in my 64 galaxie(forgot to mention this before). I would like to stay with a hydraulic cam set up.Have you seen any of Edelbrocks performance packages? Like I said I have thePerformer 390 intake already ,and I thought about the RPM heads(which they state should go with the Performer RPM FE intake not mine.) And these heads are totally complete just bolt them on for $1605.00 I figure by the time I have these stock heads done I'll have at least or if not more invested in them, and going with the aluminum heads I'm shaving 18 lbs of weight and could run a higher compression if I wanted. I wonder how the CJ cam you talked about would work with the heads and intake combo I'm thinking of? Edelbrocks cam specs are : duration- int. 194 / exh. 204 @.050 lift - int. .265 / exh. .280 @cam lift- int..460 / exh. .480 @valve I'm not one for cam figures so what do you think of these numbers. The intake I have list (idle-5500rpm)for specs. Thanks Art |
| | | | |  | RE: 428 build up -- richard, 05/28/2001
just a few suggestions from me, first look at what rpm range you intend to stay in most of the time. for a street engine you might run in the 800-3500 rpm range about 80% of the time. now since you want more power overall and good low end power you should look for components that build power in the 1000-5500 or 1500-6000 rpm range. this way in stead of trying to compare cams by specs you compare them by rpm range. cam makers will make cams for the same rpm range with different specs and you will get confused trying to decipher them. for heads since you want a street motor go with the performer heads(not the rpm ones) and intake. as for the cam there are a number of good grinds for the FE in the rpm range you want, pick your favorite and go with it. i prefer comp cams, edelbrock, or crane cams myself. good luck. |
| | | | | |  | RE: 428 build up -- Mike McQuesten, 05/28/2001
Now I understand a little more what you want to do with this 428. As for the Performer intake on the Edelbrock heads? I would talk to Edelbrock again telling them exactly what you're telling us here. The heads you mention have been evaluated by numerous publications very highly. I thought they would work well with the Performer intake and great with the Performer RPM intake for higher RPM operations. You mentioned in your first post that you were primarily interested in street operation and that's why I feel you'd be pleased with the Performer intake. I also have read that the Performer cam is a great street cam designed to idle smoothly and provide a lot of low end torque. I think the specs you have provided on that cam are similar to the C6OZ-B cam I mentioned earlier. I'm guessing here based on some past comparisons. Edelbrock tech support is very helpful. I think you'd be wise to go with their entire Performer system, intake, 750 CFM carb, cam/lifters and the heads if E-brock tech support says okay on that. I think they will. Personally, I did run a Edelbrock Performer(the RPM wasn't available at the time)on a stock 428CJ with C6OZ-B cam. That intake with their 750 carb, provided tremendous off the line performance. It pulled just as hard to 5,500 RPM as the port matched PI intake I had run previously. |
| | | | | | |  | RE: 428 build up (Thanks for the help!) -- A.M., 05/28/2001
Thanks guys I appreciate the help |
| | | | | |  | There are no performer FE heads, just the "RPM"'s -- FE427TP, 06/02/2001
The performer RPM intake seems more like it was designed for stock heads so on a well breathing 428 it will be fine, I'd go with the complete RPM package, mixing different RPM range components leads to a unsatisfactory package in the end, pick everything for a 1500-6000RPM range, and the performer intake is good for 5500 on a 390, it wouldn't have the high RPM breathing like the Performer RPM intake. |
| | |  | RE: 428 build up -- Jim Paschen, 05/02/2002
Where do you get those carb books. |
|  | RE: 428 build up -- John R. Barnes, 06/01/2001
I would use a PI intake. It makes better power that the performer. |
| |  | RE: 428 build up -- Art, 06/01/2001
Thanks John |
| | |  | RE: 428 build up -- John R. Barnes, 06/02/2001
I bought a MR aluminum intake several months ago on ebay for my Galaxie project. It turned out the intake is not the correct one. I am going to sell it on ebay. Call me if you have an interest. It is same as PI. It is original Ford. John |
 | intake info -- kevin buchanan, 05/26/2001
part # c6ae-9425-h aluminium with thermostat housing on each end, (distributor end t-stat housing vertical, opposite end horizontal.) carb mounted equally in center. information on what these intakes came out on stock would be great. i found this intake in the salvage yard mated to a 360 in a 71 f-350, and picked it up for my 66 galaxie. |
|  | RE: intake info -- Mike McQuesten, 05/27/2001
I think that's a '66 428 Police Interceptor. Thermostat housing attached on each end? |
| |  | RE: intake info -- kevin buchanan, 05/27/2001
yeah, straight up on the distributor end and flat on the other.
thanks |
| | |  | RE: intake info -- A.M., 05/27/2001
it's for sure a 1966-67 428PI aluminum dual plane. from 11-1-66 |
| | | |  | RE: intake info -- kevin buchanan, 05/27/2001
thanks, i appreciate your time. |
| | | | |  | RE: intake info -- Travis Miller, 05/27/2001
How about the thermostat goes in the front hole and a plate for the oil breathing system goes in the rear hole. |
| | | | | |  | RE: thermostat breather? -- Mike McQuesten, 05/27/2001
It must be that the previous owner of this intake fabricated a breather from an old 'stat housing? Anyway, I'd run a breather system, i.e., one like PSE used to make(I have one but it's not for sale), a plate like Travis recommends, along with a Positive Crankcase breathing system which is doable with this intake. Or heck maybe that thermostat housing on the back works fine? One thing to check on that intake his the heat chamber crossover underneath. Take off the tin oil splash pan and check the aluminum for cracking/break through. They're typically rotted there. What I did with one like this was to cut the old aluminum chamber out carefully (I had this done by a pro) leaving the bosses for the tin pan to be replaced. Then I had the heat cross over holes filled and surfaced. This made it a warm weather intake only . It does help to keep the intake cooler thus the fuel delivery cooler which is a good thing for warm weather performance. |
|  | RE: intake info -- John R. Barnes, 06/01/2001
1966-7 PI after 11/1/66. |
 | 428 Flywheels -- Jeff H., 05/26/2001
My buddy is trying to tell me that a guy he knows used a non-counterbalanced flywheel(390 he thinks) on his 428CJ build and had no vibration problems. Is this possible? I thought all 428's were externally balanced with the flywheel? Also, how does the hatchet front spacer(c'weight) come into play?
Thanks in advance for your replys. |
|  | RE: 390 flywheel in 428 equals -- Caboom -- Craig, 05/30/2001
He must of had it internally balanced or it will probably blow the bottom end out. Seen several examples in the junk yards that someone had switch the engine (352/360/390) and put a 428 in but used the wrong flexplate. Most had broken rods, granated pistons with holes in the pan. It would probably run at a low RPM. Usually leakage at the rear main is a first sign. But, I no expert, maybe someone else will know for sure! |
|  | RE: 428 Flywheels -- Paul, 05/30/2001
If you run it for extended periods of time, it'll eventually rattle everything loose. Unless it's been internally balanced. Look for holes drilled, then filled, with another metal. (Mallory)
The hatchet spacer is for SCJ engines.
Who knows, maybe it offsets the missing c'weight from the flywheel.
Then again, maybe that lumpitty sound is just the cam.
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 | engine rebuild -- Allen, 05/25/2001
Im lookin at rebuilding or replacing the 360 in my '69 F100 and I want some advice. Who do you believe does the best short/long block rebuilds and why? Who has the best rebuild kits avaliable and why? Who has the best replacement rocker arm shafts with out spending a arm and a leg? Is it benifecial fuel efficency wise to swap to an aluminum 4bbrl setup? The stock 325+ lbs-ft torque is great but Id like to push it through a beffy AOD so it would be more highway friendly; I heard there is now a bellhousing for this swap, is it true and who has it if it is? Thanks for all good suggestions. |
|  | RE: engine rebuild -- ANT, 05/26/2001
I don't know if you are looking for economy or what, but you won't earn your money back buying those "fuel saving" parts. How much power and drivability are you looking for? I could then give you more detailed specs. |
| |  | RE: engine rebuild -- Allen, 05/27/2001
Id like to stay around atleast 12 to 14 mpg. It averages 12.5 now with over 160K miles on it , and worn rings, rocker shafts , a half way collapsed lifter and 160K MILES ON IT! As I said before the stock 220+ HP and 320+TQ it has now is great and I dont want to loose any of it. Staying around the stock numbers will be good since I drive the truck every day. The driveability is alright now but I ws hoping to improve highway driveability with the possiable AOD swap. I have no intentions of racing this truck, with the exception of the occasional stop light dual(whitch it can handle now), so masive HP and TQ numbers are not a must. |
| | |  | RE: engine rebuild -- richard, 05/28/2001
for the street you want to pick parts that will work best in the 1000-5500 rpm range. a performer intake will help improve low end torque and you may see a gain in fuel efficiency as well. as far as parts suppliers summit is really good. paw has slipped over the years but you might look at what they have. and dont forget the local rebuilders. you can check out their shops first hand and see the kind of work they do. |
|  | RE: engine rebuild -- Al, 05/29/2001
What do you know about the fuel injection setup for FE's from Speed Pro? |
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