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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6446&Reply=6446><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>C8ae-h head characteristics</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Michael, <i>05/19/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've just obtained two FE motors of unknown size. The cranks are cast and the heads are C8AE-h. The pistons are flat leading me to think it is probably a 352.<br>I note that this isn't the # for the 352 head and that my 360 has the same #'s--I'm confused!<br>If the heads ARE from a 352 they have more compression than the 360 and I'd like to use them. <br>In any case, I'd like to know if there are any cautions for porting these and how much can be cut off them per point of compression.<br>Thanks<br>Michael </blockquote> C8ae-h head characteristics -- Michael, 05/19/2001
I've just obtained two FE motors of unknown size. The cranks are cast and the heads are C8AE-h. The pistons are flat leading me to think it is probably a 352.
I note that this isn't the # for the 352 head and that my 360 has the same #'s--I'm confused!
If the heads ARE from a 352 they have more compression than the 360 and I'd like to use them.
In any case, I'd like to know if there are any cautions for porting these and how much can be cut off them per point of compression.
Thanks
Michael
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6453&Reply=6446><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: C8ae-h head characteristics</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kam, <i>05/20/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Micheal;<br>I have used these heads on a 428. They have intake ports with raised floors very similar to med. risers.<br><br>I installed 2.08 X 1.66 427 valves, hogged out the bowls, port matced, cleaned out and polished the ports and combustion chambers and milled them .040<br>to give 67cc & 10.5 c.r. with stock pistons. <br><br>With a P.I. manifold, 750 Holley, Crane Fireball 296 cam, Hooker Super Comps and 3.50 gears it runs mid 13's at 106 in a 4000 lb. 63 Galaxie on 28" BFG street tires.<br><br>I think they're one of the best readily available FE heads to work with.<br><br>Good Luck,<br>Kam<br><br> </blockquote> RE: C8ae-h head characteristics -- Kam, 05/20/2001
Micheal;
I have used these heads on a 428. They have intake ports with raised floors very similar to med. risers.

I installed 2.08 X 1.66 427 valves, hogged out the bowls, port matced, cleaned out and polished the ports and combustion chambers and milled them .040
to give 67cc & 10.5 c.r. with stock pistons.

With a P.I. manifold, 750 Holley, Crane Fireball 296 cam, Hooker Super Comps and 3.50 gears it runs mid 13's at 106 in a 4000 lb. 63 Galaxie on 28" BFG street tires.

I think they're one of the best readily available FE heads to work with.

Good Luck,
Kam

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6457&Reply=6446><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What method did you use to get the Hookers to port match?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>05/20/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Kam,<br><br>I'm always curious what methods are used with the emissions era heads to get them to port match to Hookers, as Hooker doesn't use an emissions-era compatible flange - it is positioned about 5/16" too high.  The mismatch frequently causes header gasket leaks due to improper gasket crush.<br><br>Also, I dig hearing about performance use of emissions era (1966-later) FE heads with the "velocity" runners.  This is an area which hasn't been published well enough.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> What method did you use to get the Hookers to port match? -- Dave Shoe, 05/20/2001
Kam,

I'm always curious what methods are used with the emissions era heads to get them to port match to Hookers, as Hooker doesn't use an emissions-era compatible flange - it is positioned about 5/16" too high. The mismatch frequently causes header gasket leaks due to improper gasket crush.

Also, I dig hearing about performance use of emissions era (1966-later) FE heads with the "velocity" runners. This is an area which hasn't been published well enough.

Shoe.
 RE: What method did you use to get the Hookers to port match? -- Kam, 05/21/2001
Dave;
Sorry, no port match on exhaust, only intake. The heads came off a late 60's 360 pickup and had no provision or bumps for smog pump. The ex. flange is cast but not drilled for 14 bolt. Smaller, rounded comb. chambers, raised intake ports, etc. with a little work they are an excellent low cost alternative to Edelbrocks. Works for me.
Thanks,
Kam
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6436&Reply=6436><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428CJ over oiling??</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob Enright, <i>05/18/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have posted elsewhere about this. I havent done anything yet. I have a 69 428 CJ with a high volume oil pump. Problem is is pushes a lot of oil to the top of the motor via rocker shafts. It loads up in the valve cover & some gets scavanged by the pcv valve.I have heard that a some guys use a holley carb jet in the heads where the rocker shaft oiling holes are. My question is has anyone done this & what is the proper size jet to use? This thing pumps soooo much oil that it can just about empty the oil pan on high revs!! This is not a good thing. I am trying to maintain a stock apperance so while the canton pan would help,it not a option for me. Thanx, Bob </blockquote> 428CJ over oiling?? -- Bob Enright, 05/18/2001
I have posted elsewhere about this. I havent done anything yet. I have a 69 428 CJ with a high volume oil pump. Problem is is pushes a lot of oil to the top of the motor via rocker shafts. It loads up in the valve cover & some gets scavanged by the pcv valve.I have heard that a some guys use a holley carb jet in the heads where the rocker shaft oiling holes are. My question is has anyone done this & what is the proper size jet to use? This thing pumps soooo much oil that it can just about empty the oil pan on high revs!! This is not a good thing. I am trying to maintain a stock apperance so while the canton pan would help,it not a option for me. Thanx, Bob
 RE: 428CJ over oiling?? -- jeff, 05/19/2001
from what i read on the forums it seems most people recomend a hole between .090 and .120. i think this is about a #80 jet. i drilled a piece of alum rod and cut it to length after the heads were installed. good luck
 RE: 428CJ over oiling?? -- John R. Barnes, 05/19/2001
Take off the rocker shafts and locate the oil hole from the deck. It is in the rocker bolt hole with the long bolt. Get an all thread from the hardware store that fits the hole. Grind off 1/2 of the all thread to a D shaped shaft and slide it in the hole. The block will stop the all thread and keep it in the head and the smaller passage will restrict oil flow.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6434&Reply=6434><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>1968 Mustang Axle Code "Y"</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Scott Hollenbeck, <i>05/18/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Mr. F's CodeCracker program reports that 1968 axle code "Y" is a 4.30:1 Traction-Lok.  I've heard from someone who received an elite report from Marti Auto Works that describes this code as a 4.11:1 Traction-Lok, but an earlier deluxe report also described it as a 4.30 (Kevin explained that the first report was in error).  Which is correct, and what document describes the correct value? </blockquote> 1968 Mustang Axle Code "Y" -- Scott Hollenbeck, 05/18/2001
Mr. F's CodeCracker program reports that 1968 axle code "Y" is a 4.30:1 Traction-Lok. I've heard from someone who received an elite report from Marti Auto Works that describes this code as a 4.11:1 Traction-Lok, but an earlier deluxe report also described it as a 4.30 (Kevin explained that the first report was in error). Which is correct, and what document describes the correct value?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6435&Reply=6434><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 1968 Mustang Axle Code "Y"</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob Thrower, <i>05/18/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Scott;<br><br>My 68 1/2 CJ also has "Y" as the axle code and the tag on the differential reads WFD-C  4L30  8DC  947 </blockquote> RE: 1968 Mustang Axle Code "Y" -- Bob Thrower, 05/18/2001
Scott;

My 68 1/2 CJ also has "Y" as the axle code and the tag on the differential reads WFD-C 4L30 8DC 947
 I think 4.11s replaced the 4.30 in 1971. -- Dave Shoe, 05/19/2001
I'm just going by memory - it's been a long time since I reviewed that info.

I do recall that the 4.11 was a 1971-later thing. I believe the 4.30 disappeared in 1971.

For '69-'70 3.91 and 4.30 was the drag-pak deal. I don't know about 1968 at all, but I suspect the rules changed half-way through 1968 when the Traction-lok first hit the production line, replacing the earlier Equa-Lock differential in performance applications.

Also from memory, I recall there were three Drag-pak axle options in 1969-70:
3.91:1 Traction-lok
4.30:1 Traction-lok
4.30:1 Detroit Locker

Please don't consider this post as fact - hopefully it'll give you an idea or two to help you find the info you need.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6496&Reply=6434><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Definitely 4.30, Scott, but 'proof' isn't handy at the moment. [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>05/25/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Definitely 4.30, Scott, but 'proof' isn't handy at the moment. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/25/2001
n/m
 RE: Y code is 4.30 kevin marti verified -- Paul R, 05/27/2001
When I called kevin marti back again, a computer error caused 4.11 to be printed on the report by mistake. He sent me a corected copy of the report . So code Y is indeed 4.30 traction lock!
 Flywheel/flexplate '67 Shelby 428 -- Steve Boulay, 05/18/2001

Anyone know the outside diameter of a '67 Shelby 428 flexplate? I'm scheming obout an upgrade and I need some data/info. Also. is there a good source for this
kind of info? ie, engineering drawings, dimensions,
etc,.....
thanx
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6432&Reply=6432><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 H code</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mac, <i>05/18/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 67 Galaxie with the 390 "H" code motor, in a book I see a 390 "Y" code motor is there any difference? </blockquote> 390 H code -- Mac, 05/18/2001
I have a 67 Galaxie with the 390 "H" code motor, in a book I see a 390 "Y" code motor is there any difference?
 RE: 390 H code -- John R. Barnes, 05/18/2001
390 with 2V, 3 speed trans and regular fuel.
 Wanted: blueprint of the FE bell housing pattern -- Syleline, 58, 05/17/2001
Anyone have it? Thanks!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6424&Reply=6424><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Clutch Advice for a 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Rick Thompson, <i>05/17/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 550 hp 427 side oiler in a 68 Shelby. I'm ready to purchase and install the clutch. Anyone have any experience with brands and types of clutches. This is a street show car that will see an occasional drag strip pass. Thanks. </blockquote> Clutch Advice for a 427 -- Rick Thompson, 05/17/2001
I have a 550 hp 427 side oiler in a 68 Shelby. I'm ready to purchase and install the clutch. Anyone have any experience with brands and types of clutches. This is a street show car that will see an occasional drag strip pass. Thanks.
 RE: Clutch Advice for a 427 -- Tim, 05/17/2001
12" McLeod w/diaphram pressure plate
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6428&Reply=6424><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Clutch Advice for a 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brian Crisman, <i>05/18/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 67 Cougar GT with about 450hp 390 and have a Centerforce Dual Friction and am quite pleased. A pretty light pedal effort and grabs great. Not sure how much of a difference the extra 100hp would make. Great for the street and has held up good at the strip.<br><br>Brian Crisman </blockquote> RE: Clutch Advice for a 427 -- Brian Crisman, 05/18/2001
I have a 67 Cougar GT with about 450hp 390 and have a Centerforce Dual Friction and am quite pleased. A pretty light pedal effort and grabs great. Not sure how much of a difference the extra 100hp would make. Great for the street and has held up good at the strip.

Brian Crisman
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6429&Reply=6424><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I second that</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>KarlJay, <i>05/18/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have the CenterForce DF 12" in an F250 4x4 with 35" tires and 425HP 428, NICE pedal feel and holds real well. </blockquote> I second that -- KarlJay, 05/18/2001
I have the CenterForce DF 12" in an F250 4x4 with 35" tires and 425HP 428, NICE pedal feel and holds real well.
 Thanks for Advice -- Rick Thompson, 05/18/2001
Thanks for the help. I'll let the forum know how it goes.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6423&Reply=6423><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I need rocker shafts!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chris, <i>05/17/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone know where i can find some heavy duty shafts, end stands, and rocker spacers for my 390? FPPs shafts and stands are on backorder, and i can never get in touch with anyone at Dove. I need 'em quick. nay help greatly appreciated.  Thanks, chris </blockquote> I need rocker shafts! -- Chris, 05/17/2001
Does anyone know where i can find some heavy duty shafts, end stands, and rocker spacers for my 390? FPPs shafts and stands are on backorder, and i can never get in touch with anyone at Dove. I need 'em quick. nay help greatly appreciated. Thanks, chris
 Call Summit and FPA for the combo. -- Leo, 05/17/2001
Summit has the Harland Sharp rockers and shafts; FPA "http://www.fordpowertrain.com" makes a kit to do the stands/end stands/rocker spacers. Good as any, better than most; I've run them both. Otherwise, pull out you wallet and buy the Dove set-up; I've never had a problem calling them Tues-Thurs, Eastern Time.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6418&Reply=6418><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 for 67 GT500</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>JT, <i>05/17/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I put this on the general forum with no answer so far, so here goes...   I'm looking at an early '67 GT500 Shelby, and the motor is a '69 428CJ.  If this car is ever to be considered "correct", will any 428 motor from the same month as the car's build date suffice?  or did Ford or Shelby stamp vin #'s to match the car to the engine?  The 8V setup is intact, just not the long block that came in the car.  thanks </blockquote> 428 for 67 GT500 -- JT, 05/17/2001
I put this on the general forum with no answer so far, so here goes... I'm looking at an early '67 GT500 Shelby, and the motor is a '69 428CJ. If this car is ever to be considered "correct", will any 428 motor from the same month as the car's build date suffice? or did Ford or Shelby stamp vin #'s to match the car to the engine? The 8V setup is intact, just not the long block that came in the car. thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6420&Reply=6418><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 for 67 GT500</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Morgan, <i>05/17/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi JT,<br><br>If you want to make it correct you need a motor with a build date before the build date on your GT-500.<br>Some times the original block was cast several month's before the car was built on the line.  My question is do you plan to keep the car, if you do it really does not matter as long as its a 428.  Shelby did not put any special stamping on the block, at least not in 1967.   What is the cars serial number? Does it hafe a early build number or late number?<br><br>Morgan<br>67 GT-500<br>03217 </blockquote> RE: 428 for 67 GT500 -- Morgan, 05/17/2001
Hi JT,

If you want to make it correct you need a motor with a build date before the build date on your GT-500.
Some times the original block was cast several month's before the car was built on the line. My question is do you plan to keep the car, if you do it really does not matter as long as its a 428. Shelby did not put any special stamping on the block, at least not in 1967. What is the cars serial number? Does it hafe a early build number or late number?

Morgan
67 GT-500
03217
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6430&Reply=6418><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>67 GT500 keeper...I think</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>JT, <i>05/18/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>It's an early car - #006*3 with center lights, dual 4 barrels and 4 speed.  I plan on restoring it to original condition (color, int., options), but not to the point of trailer queen.  Unless it's trailered to a racing event, drive the car!  I would be lying if I said I was going to keep it forever and resale value is not a concern, because it is.  I'm assuming the 1969 428 Cobra Jet motor will make the car worth less money than a correct-date 428 PI motor like the original one that came in the car.  But, if I can use any 428 engine with a build date a month or two prior to the car's, that's not TOO big a problem...I hope.  I just want to determine now, before I dump $40 grand into this thing, if it's worth my investment or if I should seek out a car with the original motor in place. </blockquote> 67 GT500 keeper...I think -- JT, 05/18/2001
It's an early car - #006*3 with center lights, dual 4 barrels and 4 speed. I plan on restoring it to original condition (color, int., options), but not to the point of trailer queen. Unless it's trailered to a racing event, drive the car! I would be lying if I said I was going to keep it forever and resale value is not a concern, because it is. I'm assuming the 1969 428 Cobra Jet motor will make the car worth less money than a correct-date 428 PI motor like the original one that came in the car. But, if I can use any 428 engine with a build date a month or two prior to the car's, that's not TOO big a problem...I hope. I just want to determine now, before I dump $40 grand into this thing, if it's worth my investment or if I should seek out a car with the original motor in place.
 For '67, having a CJ may even increase value [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/18/2001
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=6416&Reply=6416><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>F427 Edelbrock Intake</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark Talbot, <i>05/17/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Anybody got any info on this intake?What was it's intended use?What is it worth?Thank's Mark </blockquote> F427 Edelbrock Intake -- Mark Talbot, 05/17/2001
Anybody got any info on this intake?What was it's intended use?What is it worth?Thank's Mark
 Its a reasonably popular aftermarket piece worth ~ $200 [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/17/2001
n/m
 RE: F427 Edelbrock Intake -- Mike McQuesten, 05/17/2001
I've never personally run one of these but I've looked at a number of them at swap meets. They look very similar to a 428 Police Interceptor. We FE fans in this area have surmised that they should work about as well. They're dual plane, I'm going from memory on that, but I would guess them to work well from idle to max of 6,000 RPM. I do know about the E-brock Streetmaster. That "master" of its own domain is a single plane and surprisingly inspite of that it works very well. I agree that the F427 is worth up to $200. But I missed one for just $50 at a swap meet last summer. For that little bit of change it'd made a nice conversation piece hanging on the shop wall.
 RE: F427 Edelbrock Intake -- RJP, 05/17/2001
The F427 manifold works good for street use, good response and broad torque range for a dual plane. I had one of these manifolds on a 427 powered Hondo flat and could turn the engine 7K with a Holley 950 3bbl, engine pulled hard throughout the rpm range.
 RE: F427 Edelbrock Intake -- Mark Talbot, 05/19/2001
Thank's for all the info.I think I'll hang on to it.Some guy wanted to "Take it off my hand's" for $50.00.Thank's Mark
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