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 |  Chipped teeth. -- Neppy, 05/08/2001
OK, I gotta prob with a starter. I replaced my original starter a couple of years ago. Apparently I got one that's set up for a flexplate with a different tooth count than mine (it grinds on it's way 'round). Is there a way to tell which starter I've got by the numbers? I never noticed until after I rebuilt the carb and the car wouldn't start on the first .005 seconds, like before. Great rebuild, huh? I looked at the teeth today and the starter gear is a little chewed on the outer ends (closest to the end I'm looking at).
Also, I found that the upper bolt was loose. Could this have caused the starter to not engage? It would still grind but it might turn over, at least. I looked at the flexplate and it looks OK. I didn't have time to turn the engine over or pull the cover on bottom so I don't know if it's OK all the way around. I do know that the last time I tried to start the engine before I pulled the heads it would only grind, so I assume it's at a "bad spot".
Kind of a long post so if you need more details just ask. I hope this is easier to fix than it seems. |
|  | RE: Chipped teeth. -- RC Moser, 05/09/2001
You never mention what year or engine displacement. Most likely the flexplate has some bad spots on it. I would think it the teeth mash wasn't right it would really make a revolting sound and would tear up the starter or flexplate real fast. You'll have to remove the dust cover and inspect all the teeth. I seen bolts/nuts missing before with no effect no starting. Now it they (ALL) were loose then it would have a big effect when starting due to the starter flopping around. As far as you rebuild your idle mixture, accelerator pump rod settings, dwell (points gap, if you have points), timing, and choke settings, have alot to do with initial start up. go back and double check all you fine tuning see if you can find something off alittle. Also, put a vacuum gauge on the intake below the carb. unless you have big cam vac. at idle usually is 17" to 20". It it's lower then you could have a leak somewhere. Kind of long, but nobody was responding. maybe this will spark some different opinions on your questions. |
| | | RE: Chipped teeth. -- Neppy, 05/09/2001
Guess I shoulda mentioned it's a '66 352/Cruise-O-Matic Galaxie. All stock. |
| | |  | RE: Chipped teeth. -- RC Moser, 05/10/2001
Probably the old flexplate is just wore out. Do you have a autolite 2 barrel or 4 barrel? |
 | FE Ford engines -- john bach, 05/07/2001
Thought i'd start a little debate here among all us FORD lovers. years ago i heard that the FE on FORD engines stood for cast iron. More recently some idiot wrote that it stood for FORD/EDSEL. Well, i never believed that so i just looked up the atomic table and lo and behold there it is . Atomic #26, symbol FE. I believe this. What do you think? |
|  | Actually, you're a slight bit off. -- Dave Shoe, 05/07/2001
The symbol for iron is "Fe", not "FE".
I believe Ford intended that the engine family actually be called "Fermium", as it's sorta got some of that "FoMoCo" rhythm to it, and it's also hot stuff, what with it's being discovered in the remains of a hydrogen bomb detonation. The thing that's so freaky about Ford's selection of this name for the meaning of their acronym is that there are presently no known industrial uses for the element fermium, but there are literally tons of industrial uses for FE engines. I suggest we all petition the International Commission on Periodic Charts to get rid of that worthless element fermium, and have the picture of a cool old big block Ford placed in the periodic chart just to the right of Einsteinium. I also bet an FE could smoke gadolinium if it ever tried. (check out the gadolinium typo at http://www.bayerus.com/msms/periodic/gadolinium/index.html - great yuks if you're a physicist!)
Yup, FE stands for "Fermium". You can take that one to the bank!
Ironically, if you click the search button on this page and do a search for "bozo", you can probably find a direct reference to Ford's only published document which ties FE to iron. You'll have to jump around a little, because it's a couple links deep inside the thread (i.e.: select "Click here to respond" for deeper access).
Shoe. |
| | Uh...That Idiot Is Most Likely Me... -- KULTULZ, 05/07/2001
"More recently some idiot wrote that it stood for FORD/EDSEL."
This is not the hardest thing to figure out. In 1958, FORD introduced two new engine series, the FE and the MEL.
Now if MEL represents Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln (in which chassis this series was used in...doesn`t it stand to reason that FE represents FORD-EDSEL, the two chassis series this series was introduced in.
Why is this so hard? |
| | | Yeah, well - idiots of the world, unite! ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/07/2001
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| | RE: FE Ford engines -- Allen, 05/07/2001
It all sounds possible to me......Why cant we all get along?!.....what are we a bunch of Chevy boys! |
| | FE = Farkin' Excellent! nm -- ANDY, 05/08/2001
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| | | RE: FE = Farkin' Excellent! nm -- etm63, 05/08/2001
Why can't we just put our own definition to it and forget it...? I'd have to go with "Fantastic Engine" or "Fabulous Engine". Smile. |
| | FE Ford engines -- Orin, 05/08/2001
1. FE Ford-Edsel
2. Fe from the Latin "ferrum," which means iron. From which the word ferrous ( . . .of, relating to, or containing iron; being or containing iron with a valence of two") is derived and its many variations, i.e. ferrous oxide, ferroconcrete, ferromagnetic etc.
3. Though I thnk Shoe's definition is better! |
| smog pump bearing replacement -- Scott Prows, 05/07/2001
Has anyone replaced the front bearing in a smog pump. it is nonfunctional and fully cleaned and painted. the front bearing went out on the way back from a show and the thing locked up. i have the pulley and the plastic peice off but i cant tell if the pulley mount is pressed on or threaded. i know i could buy a new one but a bearing is only a coupla bucks. any healp would be appreciated. |
| C-6 Trannys -- FE410 Merc, 05/06/2001
I have a used C-6 in my mustang that has only drive and reverse - no low or second gears at all, I have changed the valve body from a known worker C-6 and still have the same problem- I am now in the process of swapping out the governor which is located behind the tailshaft. Any clues what else may be the problem? |
| 360 Flywheel for a 390? -- Gary Conner, 05/06/2001
I have made a 390 from a 360 FT. My question is, will the 360 flywheel work OK with a top loader 4 speed in my 63 1/2 Galaxie. The clutch disc and pressure plate from a car will bolt to the 360 fw, but from memory it seems the truck flywheel is thicker than the car flywheel. Thanks in advance for you help. |
| 428 vacuum schematic? -- Eric, 05/05/2001
Does anyone know of a web-site that has
the vacuum schematic for a 69 cobra jet?
Thanks,
Eric |
| | | RE: 428 vacuum schematic? -- Eric, 05/06/2001
Yeah, they're great web-sites. I have all of them bookmarked already. Unfortunately none of those have a vacuum schematic on them.
Thanks anyway,
Eric |
| | | | Which one? -- Barry B, 05/07/2001
I have factory diagrams for the following:
'69 ram air, manual, air pump
'69 ram air, auto, air pump
'69 manual, air pump
'69 manual, air pump, air
'69 auto, air pump
'70 ram air, single diaphragm
'70 single diaphragm
'70 dual diaphragm
If one of these covers your application, email me and I can scan it for you.
Barry |
| | | | | RE: Which one? -- Eric, 05/07/2001
Thanks Barry!
Yes, if you will please scan me one...
Mine is a 69 Non-ram 428cj, auto, no A/C
Thanks again,
Eric
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| | | | | RE: Which one? -- john, 05/08/2001
Barry, I could use one of them too. My car is 70, CJ Ram Air, Auto, AC
John |
| | We can supply hardcopies at minimal cost [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/07/2001
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| 427 side oiler pressure releif valve -- GB, 05/05/2001
does anyone out there know where I can purchase one or can a person run without one in a 66 427 sideoiler block.... |
| | RE: 427 side oiler pressure releif valve -- Ross, 05/05/2001
You can plug the galley so it doesnt dump past the mains. Guys do it all the time. I wouldnt know where to find one, maybe FPP? |
| What is a wedge head? -- Murray, 05/04/2001
What exactly is a wedge head? How is it different from a standard low riser head found on most FEs? How do you identify it and what came equipped with this item? |
| | RE:Shape of the combustion chamber? -- RC Moser, 05/05/2001
To me if it an't hemisherecial it's a wedge. I'll guess and say only the Tunnel port and SOHC were semi-hemi design FE's and all others are wedge design, but I'm no expert. I'm sure you'll get somemore responses. |
| | | RE:Shape of the combustion chamber? -- Will, 05/05/2001
The tunnelport was a wedge too.
IMO, there's:
1. Wedge - inline valves, chamber resembles a wedge - all FE's except for SOHC.
2. Hemi - looks like a dome with plug in the middle (insert VW beetle commercial here), SOHC, Chrysler Hemi, 429 Boss - sorta - some were hemi's, others "crescent" - like a hemi with the edges taken out - Bob Glidden chamber was tiny - barely enough room for valves.
3. 4-valve - like a hemi, but 4 valves and a clover-leaf shaped chamber. - 4.6 dohc, plus most 4 valve/cylinder heads.
4. Canted valve - semi-hemi, valves in different planes, not really a wedge, but not a hemi either. Closer to a wedge than a hemi, though. 351C, 429/460, BBC, 302 Boss
5. Flathead - valves in the block, head does little more than closing up the cylinder and holding the spark plug - the Ford Flathead comes to mind, but what about Briggs & Stratton. (had to throw that one in)
I'm sure there's more, but I'm not sure how to categorize them. Also, keep in mind, this is just a low-tech summary. |
| | | | RE: Will, I think I thought of another? -- RC Moser, 05/05/2001
What about a MEL (never owned or seen one torn down)? maybe a oposed semi-hemi. I guess the B & S would be a Flat head design? Not meaning ford flatheads, or maybe, I had a flathead and did have the heads off it (replaced some burnt valves, that was fun grinding alittle off the tip at a time to get them to seat properly) but, didn't remember or pay attention to the chamber design of the fattie heads... later... |
| | | | | Hey - that's right -- Will, 05/06/2001
I don't remember what the MEL heads were called. I think they were the same as the 421 Pontiac's, though.
There may be others too. For example, I don't know what you'd call the various 2-cycle combustion chambers. |
| | | | | | RE: Hey - that's right -- richard, 05/07/2001
fyi the four valve heads are actually called a pentroof chamber because they resemble the roofline on a house. also there are engines out there that have the combustion chamber in the piston and have a flat cylinder head. |
| 9 inch N case carrier for my Fe -- John, 05/04/2001
I am looking for a 9 inch N case carrier and have access to a large junk yard. My question is which year and type Ford vehicles would I be most likely to find one. Thanks for your help! |
| | RE: 9 inch N case carrier for my Fe -- gerry, 05/04/2001
The "N" carrier is rare enough that you'll likely find it surrounded by hen's teeth. People talk about this carrier as if its use was common, but if you're feeling real lucky, check out '66 and '67 427 Fairlanes, Boss 302 and 429 Mustangs, 428 SCJ Mustangs and Fairlane/Torino, and possibly the 429 SCJ Torino. If you find many of these likely candidates laying around your junkyard, please drop me an email.
The N case is easily available in the aftermarket from Strange, although this alternative may not fit within your budgetary considerations.
Good luck on your quest! |
| | | RE: Standard CJ's too -- Mike McQuesten, 05/04/2001
In addition to Gerry's list you can add regular Cobra Jet vehicles too. All 428 CJ not just SCJ came with N cases. They were also used through '73 in 351C - 4V-Cobra Jet 351 & HO & Boss 351 powered Torino, Montego, Mustang & Cougars. Note that I've listed the special 351C powered cars NOT the more common '70-'71 351C - 4V which did not use the Nodular Case. What I've found is that if your 351C had 4-bolt mains, you got an N case carrier with that. There are some unmarked -N- case housings with a C4AE ?? casting but I've never run across one. I believe that the '65-up 427 Galaxies ran the N case too. All of these applications featured 31 spline axles. As Gerry said, happy hunting for any of these vehicles. |
| | | | RE: Standard CJ's too -- Dave Shoe, 05/04/2001
Some 428CJ and 429CJs got HD28 spline axles, which are 31 spline forgings, but are cut down to 28 splines at the very end. I wonder if these carriers got the N case?
I do know that Ford started using nodular iron in rear ends in 1962, but I don't know if the 9" was part of that early changeover.
Shoe. |
| | | | | RE: Really? -- Mike McQuesten, 05/04/2001
You've seen factory built 428 CJ vehicles with 28 spline axles? I'm not professing to be absolutely sure on this. Just opinion based on a little experience. I'm trying to think how many I've crawled around under as an owner or with friend's vehicles. Two '69s I've had close relationship with were a Fairlane Cobra Coupe w/Drag Pack, SCJ, R-code, 3.91s was an N/31 spl. A '69 Torino GT Q code, very plain with open 3.50, non ram air, had an N case. A friend who currently owns a '69 Cyclone CJ w/428 CJ standard R code but non drag pack/SCJ, & open 3.50...yup, N case w/31 splines. What I do "believe" is that the base engine-429 Thunder Jet(nothing more than the standard 360 horse T-bird engine) '70 Torino models might have been equipped with the non N case, 28 spline axles you've described. But those optioned up with the CJ/SCJ 429 got the N case/31 splines. I want to make it clear that I'm not disagreeing with you Shoe. I appreciate the humility in your answers. I don't think I will personally ever know everything that FoMoCo was doing at any point in time in the sixties. So I look at your suggestions as real possibilities. And I'm open to good learnin'. |
| | | | My lucky Day! -- John, 05/06/2001
Hey guys I found 2 ea. "N" case carriers. I found them under a 1973 F150 pick up with a 390 and the other was under a 1974 pick up. They both were 31 spline axles and had 350 gears and were the posi track. Everyone needs to start looking under the pick-ups as there in the junk yards. I have a guy wanting to buy the axles so he can shorten them and respline them to 28 spline. I had no use for the axles as there to long for the mustang. I thought I would share this information. |
| | | | | RE: My lucky Day! -- Peter, 05/06/2001
Lucky you to find that N case under a truck, I have 2 cases both out of '69 CJ vehicles, both cast C4AW-B, 1has the N the other does not, I once bought an N case that was cast D0OZ and it had smaller bearing bores, Also the caps on the D0 cases are not nodular making the earlier case more desireable,(Early cases actually have the N cast into each cap also) Iam restoring a '67 427 car and after going through about 10 cases in the last number of years,still havn't found the right one, The ghost I am looking for is the early C4AW-B case with no N on the outside and instead of a date cast into it , it has the letters "SPEC" where the date normally goes, any leads let me know,I'll gladly trade either of my cases plus $ to get one, hope this is helpful Peter |
| | RE: 9 inch N case carrier for my Fe -- R.C.V., 05/04/2001
Many were installed in f-150 pickups in the early 70s. You just have to bend down and search for that extra rib and the N. |
| | | RE: 9 inch N case carrier for my Fe -- kevin, 05/05/2001
There is a good possibility that you will find the most easily obtainable N cases under a Bronco. They were used in a lot of trucks too. Not all N cases have the N on them, just look for two vertical ribs. Thats not the end of it either, there were many versions of "double ribs", only one was the desirable case. The imposters have the ribs end in the same thickness and gradual slope. The nodular are easily identified by the ends of the ribs ending in a "elephants" foot for want of a better term. They are much beefier than the standard rib. Now there are many out there that have what they call the Daytona pinion support. This is spotted by the machined surface around where the 5 bolts go through the retainer into the housing. These used a larger bearing on the pinion than standard (one of them anyway). The best and I wish you well finding one of these is the one with nodular caps with a N on them. This is what came on my 427 Fairlane, so if you spot one of these, kiss the sky. Most of the earlier N cases had a 3-1/16ths side carrier brg, and later cases had a 2-7/8ths. Happy hunting |
| Trying to locate a vendor -- R. Wayne Gulley, 05/03/2001
Does anyone know of a vendor going by the name of James Isley that was at the Columbus, Oh Spring Swap. I bought a part from him that is questionable & he seems to be unable or unwilling to return my calls. Any help would be appreciated. |
| | Sorry - that name doesn't ring a bell. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/07/2001
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| | | RE: Sorry - that name doesn't ring a bell. [n/m] -- R. Wayne Gulley, 05/08/2001
How about the Jim Dillow? |
| | | | Nope, still drawing a blank. Lots of folks in this gig. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/11/2001
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